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ELIN

I’m surprised it’s not a push button transmission. Far roomier interior than the TLX for sure!

F23A4

Interior space is a low bar as the Integra feels roomier than the TLX tbh.

Tony Pac

How is your BMW?

Did you find a buyer for your TLX or still enjoying the beautiful design and SH-AWD?

Legend2TL

FWIW, the CVT for the Accord is a different transmission than the 10AT for the TLX. All of the Honda's with that transmission have a mechanical linkage (cable) to the physical transmission. The 10AT was designed/engineered from the start to be a total electronic AT. The dimensions of the two are within a inch (some the TLX is larger, some the Accord) in all dimensions except for rear legroom where the Accord is >5" larger. The interior volume of the two cars is 93.4 cuft and 102.7 cuft (both with sunroof). The front appears to be about the same in roomyness whereas the back is short on legroom in the TLX.

Another FWIW, the 10G Civic (my daughter has a 2016 LX) was really big for a cheap Honda sedan, 113 cuft. The current 11G Civic is 99 cuft.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparis...veh2=401920117

ELIN

X3 is great! Enjoying many features I never had before in a car!

The TLX was taken by the BMW dealership. Last I heard, it's over at a neighboring state. Hope the new owner is able to enjoy the car far more than I did!

Tony Pac

Nice! glad to hear that you're enjoying your X3.

I am sure someone will buy and enjoy it.

fiatlux

113cuft according to who? EPA has it rated as 98
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/43355.shtml

Legend2TL

Edmunds, who apparently have bad data




Always trust the source as Honda also lists it as 97.8 cu ft to be accurate
I shoulda checked, 113 seemed too high for a Civic.
https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-au...tions-features

ESHBG

Interesting:

2 Acura Models Get Embarrassing Scores in Consumer Reports Rear-Seat Safety Testing

Consumer Reports is about providing car buyers with the latest safety recommendations on all types of vehicles. The site recently had its teams test over fifty 2022 models on rear-seat safety features. Surprisingly, two Acura models, the TLX and MDX, scored near the bottom of this lineup regarding rear-seat safety features. Let’s learn more about Consumer Reports testing standards and what scores these two Acura models received.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2-acura...afety-testing/

richii0207

Odd that they would consider a seatbelt reminder as part of the “safety testing scoring” which negates all the high scores of the impact testing. I suppose Teslas are #1 based on their type of scoring considering they have safety alerts for literally everything.
I’d rather use IIHS for anything safety related.

ELIN

The Integra scoring higher than the MDX and TLX makes sense since it's a straight port of the Honda Civic. I've said all along that the TLX is not a "family" car. Acura has implied as much when they point us to the RDX/MDX for growing families.

richii0207

I would argue that a 4-door sedan can be a family car but do agree that an SUV will be better suited for a growing family. Implying a TLX is not a family car would also be saying that the g70, stinger, 3-series,A4, and CT4 are not family cars considering they all have similar interior dimensions.

ELIN

Those cars wouldn't be the first choice, especially in the context of EXCESS in the US. So many makes from different countries to choose from makes the US very unique in this respect.

Europe really doesn't have a choice as their streets are quite cramped and tiny. If you ignore the obvious (Acuras not sold in Europe), the TLX wouldn't do well compared to say the 3 series since it would be much harder to park despite similar interior space.

mike03a3

And yet IIHS, the people who do ACTUAL crash testing and are the gold standard for auto safety give the TLX their top rating, a 2022 Top SAFETY PICK +

You can see the details here; https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...oor-sedan/2022

ELIN

I think CR is merely adding value on top of what IIHS looks at. It's not a horrible check by any means, especially if you have a family. My X3 has a graphic in the dash of how many folks in the back have their seat belts on. As my kids get older, something I didn't necessarily look for is now starting to be more appreciated.

The next logical "value added" test will be cars that tell us if an animal or a baby has been left behind in the car with the engine off. Not every car has this but as more cars do, I'm sure CR will test that in the future as well. Maybe one day this will be as standard as the seat belt!

bilirubin

Just an update to the Integra Type S. Confirmed: 2.0T, 300+ hp, 6MT, triple exhaust, and wide-body. This really elevates the "Type S" name closer to "Type R" levels...

ELIN

^^^^^^^^^^^
This will be a TLX killer! I expect it to be faster, more roomy inside, but no shot at the best ELS or SH-AWD unfortunately.

bilirubin

I respectfully disagree, but time will tell. IMO, the TLX Type S has enough to distinguish it from the Integra Type S, namely the 10AT and SH-AWD. The manual transmission and lack of AWD would limit the Integra's widespread appeal to the general public, particularly in snow-covered states & provinces and cities with a large traffic burden.
In terms of performance, the Teggy should be quicker on a track and trap at a higher speed, but the TLX will be quicker off the line and 0-60.

fiatlux

For enthusiasts, the ITS is the way to go. Maybe if the TLX came with a 6MT it’d stand a puncher’s chance, but the fun factor will be orders of magnitude higher in the ITS.

Tony Pac

ITS will be a great vehicle for Acura/Honda.

The sedan market is in trouble across the board but I am glad Acura is still pushing and giving us cars like TLX and Integra.

Intergra is an awesome entry level car but no way it will kill the TLX. TLX is so much more luxurious, has AWD and smoother ride quality. Now if Acura replaces the TLX by an EV, that's very possible.

ESHBG

But the Integra is not really a typical sedan with the liftback, which is going to help to add it its success. It would have been great if the TLX went this route also.

Tony Pac

agreed!

But still it's a 4 door car and not a SUV or Crossover. I would have been very disappointed if Acura would have turned Integra to a small SUV - something below RDX thank god they did not do that!

fiatlux

I'm selfishly hoping that Acura prices this in the mid-50s so that nobody will buy it and I can pick one up without insane markups.

caLiTLX

That’s TLX-S territory. Although I see your point, it will probably be closer to the new CTR price range, BUT dealer markups will still make the first buyers pay the “gotta have it now” price tag. Time will tell.

ELIN

Not having Homelink garage opener will make it less mainstream.....or does Honda/Acura want to promote showing off the car on driveways?

fiatlux

Strictly due to the 6MT vs 10AT, I'd actually rather have the ITS over the TTS even at the same pricepoint. But then again, I'm an enthusiast who likes driving and not someone who just wants to cruise around town in a car that looks good. Not for nothing, the Integra is also more family friendly than the TLX because it can handle car seats better and the liftback allows it to swallow baby gear much easier too.

leomio2.0

So, the Civic Si's MSRP is $28,100. The Integra A-Spec 6MT, which is basically a clone of the Si with Acura niceties, is $35,800. If Acura keeps the same pricing ratio, the ITS (if it actually does come with the CTR engine) will come in at ~$56k. I think your hopes may actually materialize, as it's likely the only way the TLX-S doesn't fall off the face of the Earth. Do you want something with AWD, a roomier interior (at least for the front occupants), quieter and better ride? Or a manual, better handling and overall better performing car that's actually more practical for hauling stuff around? Pick your poison.

If the ITS is only a few grand more than the CTR, so let's say $48-49k, it would be a hard sell for the TLX-S.

C&D posted its times for the CTR.

0-60 4.9s (same)
5-60: 5.9s (TLX-S 5.5s)
0-100: 12.1s (TLX-S 12.6s)
1/4: 13.5 @ 106MPH (TLX-S 13.6 @ 103MPH)

Interior noise isn't great in either, with the TLX-S measuring 71db while the CTR was 73db, both at 70MPH. I wish Honda/Acura would focus more on this, especially Acura. Judging by the claims of people with the Integra, they did nothing for sound deadening compared to the Civic, which is already quite poor at isolating road noise. Especially with tires that have a decent amount of wear on them, it can become rather fatiguing driving down the highway hearing all that wind and tire noise.

I also hope they really re-tune the suspension to be more on the comfort side of things. Every reviewer has mentioned how stiff the ride is on the CTR. Anything outside of Comfort is useless for road use. More so than anything else, that's what kills the CTR off my list for me (well, that and the dealers). If it's the same needlessly and ridiculously stiff ride in the ITS, it's a non-starter for me.

richii0207

That’s one of the reasons why I daily drive the TLX Type S over the CTR and why many other CTR owners switched to a TLX-S. Better comfort, more front space, driver assists, ELS audio, and AWD to name a few. It seems like the majority of people already understand the ITS being the in-between.

Mid 50s is a lot for a 300hp FWD car and will put it at a higher cost than an S3. It’s going to be interesting to see what type of buyers are willing to spend that much for a car built on a civic platform. CTR is truly special to drive but if the ITS is tuned softer, how much of the agility can it keep?

leomio2.0

If I'm honest, I'd be very surprised if it came in at $56k, but it's still a possibility. I'd say at a minimum though, it comes in at $49.9k, more likely in the low $50k area. An S4 starts out cheaper than a TLX-S, but as so many harped on in the past, if you optioned it out similarly to what Acura gives standard, the Acura comes out cheaper. The CTR is priced within spitting distance of the AWD Golf R as well.

As for suspension set-up ... that's the whole point. There should be a disparity between the CTR and ITS. The CTR should be for those that want all-out handling at the cost of spinal fluid. The ITS should sacrifice some of that handling prowess to be have a more compliant ride, as that's what the demographic who are looking at a premium product are after. It doesn't have to change the overall car into handling like a Buick, but having it as harsh as the CTR is pointless. It's already going to get points docked for road noise, as it will be substantially louder than all its competitors.

Tony Pac

Honestly, comparing CTR or ITS to TLX is just wrong. TLX or TLX TYPE S is just another class. You feel the difference the moment you open the doors. The interior space (front, which the most important) the center console, the dash, large screen, better material and an amazing sound system. The ITS or CTR are amazing vehicles but I will never cross shop these vehicles with TLX. The same goes to A/S3 and A/S4. A4 is so much better than A3/S3 when it comes to refinement and interior quality.

ESHBG

I'm sure they will limit production on the ITS and overcharge for it, as this is another niche vehicle and these ICE cars are soon done for per Acura's EV announcement so they will be able to squeeze as much profit out of this as possible.

ESHBG

I'm not so sure about this. The Integra is pretty roomy inside and in some ways beats the TLX in practicality whereas the A/S3 vs A/S4 is a pretty big difference and the 3s are pretty tight...you know that you are in a much smaller car.

richii0207

The TLX is roomier in front row, but Integra wins in the rear legroom category. If one was to able to fit in rear seat of both vehicles, the TLX has more cushion and provides a more comfortable ride compared to the Integra. If. For road trips, long commuters, or those who want to be more comfortable, the TLX takes the nod, especially for the front occupants.

As much as an optimist I am, I find it difficult to spend mid 50s on a car that’s built on a civic platform.

Tony Pac

i don't disagree but when you sit inside TLX and ILX back to back, you will see the difference. TLX is just a roomier car and you feel good. Also, the Integera fit and finish and material aren't wow. In the back, lots of hard plastic and not consistent with front.

leomio2.0

Hopefully the fact that the ITS will be produced State-side will help production figures. I don't know if the CTR engine that's purportedly going to be used in it has to be built in Japan, but hopefully not. And hopefully they churn these out in even greater numbers than the CTR. Honestly, it's highly unlikely I'll purchase this car (just too small and not really my style), but it's still a cool car.

fiatlux

The K20C1 in the CTR is actually built in Ohio and shipped to Japan, so I wouldn't worry about that being a constraint. I suspect unlike the CTR, they're pump out a ton of these. It helps that no other market gets Acuras, so unless Honda is planning to rebadge these as Hondas (though they did just that with the 8G Civic...), we won't need to compete with other markets unlike with the CTR.

leomio2.0

Good to know. Hopefully they produce these in decent quantities to help quell ADM.

Flapjackura

I've said before - the lack of Homelink (from even the top trim level not just the lowest) in the Integra is an utterly baffling omission and is symptomatic of Acura's odd decision making process in general. If Acura really wants to play in the Lexus/Infiniti/Genesis Asian luxury space - the inclusion of a feature found nowadays even in basic non luxury cars is a must. Yet, you can get a HUD in an Integra. To me, offering HUD and not such a basic feature makes absolutely zero sense. I would love to hear from Acura's Integra design project leadership an explanation of this omission that does make sense. I would even challenge them to come up with a sensible explanation.

ESHBG

I am not excusing it but it looks like Honda has gone the same route and you can only get HL on the Civic with Touring trim (sedan) and Sport Touring (hatchback), the SI does not have it. Outside of chip issues maybe they did some market research and found that most owners don't use it and use other apps for those features instead? I have never had a use for it and never used it in any of the Honda/Acura products I have owned but I know others who do.

And I know it's an unpopular opinion but I do think leaving Navi off of the Integra was a mistake, especially when in comparison to Honda's models.