Tony Pac

hahahha! I am laughing! The sad part is that their strategy is wrong changing logo and dealer look won’t bring new customers. Infiniti needs to focus to bring some solid cars in the market. But loved your post

bilirubin

Car and Driver's test results for the Integra Type S are in. Compared to the TLX Type S, the Integra Type S is a little slower to 60 (5.1 sec 0-60, vs 4.9 sec TLX-S), a lot slower to 60 without clutch-dumping/launch control (6.0 sec 5-60, vs 5.5 sec TLX-S), but quicker to 100 (12.3 vs 12.6 sec 0-100). Quarter-mile is pretty close: 13.7 sec at 105 mph in the Integra-S vs the TLX-S 13.6 sec at 103 mph. It's interesting how the MDX Type S is actually quicker than the Integra Type S going 5-60 mph (5.8 sec MDX-S). It's pretty much guaranteed the Integra Type S will be superior on a track.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/

fiatlux

The reason the X-60 times aren't so great on the ITS (and CTR) is that even without a launch in first gear it's struggling for traction, but once you're in second gear it pulls much harder than the TLX and MDX Type S

leomio2.0

Unsurprising. The ITS's power to weight is much better than the TLX-S's. I'm sure the TLX-S has a slightly broader powerband. On a highway pull, so long as the ITS driver isn't worthless, it'll pull on the TLX-S, as evidenced by the higher trap speed in the 1/4.

MarcoTLX

I guess it goes to show Acura should’ve gave us a bit more power from factory on the TLX-S. 370-375hp would’ve been pretty cool with me. And would help make up some of the shortcomings from the high curb weight

leomio2.0

Agreed. Hopefully the aftermarket is able to remedy this. It would be nice to have a bigger turbo option to get the car close to the 500HP mark. I'd imagine the drivetrain wouldn't be able to handle much more than that and is honestly "enough" for a 4-door sedan pulling mainly daily driver duties with the occasional spirited romp.

GhostTL09

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Powertrain was built for minimum mid 400hp.

leomio2.0

Do you mean maximum?

If so, I'd be a bit skeptical. The Pike's Peak car they built looks like it's probably pushing somewhere in the ballpark of 500wHP with that bigger turbo and tune. From the articles, it seems like the components weren't changed, but they did do some transmission tuning. If the hardware was untouched, it's a good sign for power potential in the future if anyone releases a turbo upgrade to mass market.

22TypeS

From what I have read, this is one of the most over-engineered, under-tuned power trains out there. Maximum would be about 550 and with a decent tune (not over zealous tune) yes 450 minimum. Factory tune was designed to be essentially bullet proof. For those of us that can live with the factory tune, that is good, though 370-380 would have bee nice to stay with S4/5, G70 3.3 and maybe M340i.

leomio2.0

Ah, ok, I understand what was meant now.

Unfortunately, it'll take more than a "simple tune" due to Acura using such a small turbo. KTuner's tune gets the car in the ballpark of 400HP. Downpipe + Intake ... maybe another 20-30HP? Hopefully the single-port cylinder head design Honda goes with isn't the restriction holding the power back.

mike03a3

Have a reference for it being over-engineered and good to 550, or maybe a minimum of 450?
The TLX-S Launch Control is a measly 2000 rpm, to protect the drivetrain. Read the bottom line of the launch control slide.

22TypeS

Okay, the Acura video about development of this V6 plus a few tuner videos (out of interest, not doing) is where my over-engineered, under-tuned came from. I do believe going up 100 hp to 450, is pretty straightforward and the engine would be just fine. The story about the Pike's Peak TLX mentioned 500 hp, but after looking into it more, it appears they used the NSX twin turbo V6. I thought they had tuned the Type S V6, but will stand by the 450hp. Don't the know launch control rpms of other makes, but Acura has this desire to produce reliable cars so they keep the revs at 2100. Anyway as tuners get involved we will know what simple mods get this V6 up to power wise.

Tony Pac

Genesis G70 May Follow Kia Stinger To The Grave

https://carbuzz.com/news/genesis-g70-may-follow-kia-stinger-to-the-grave

I guess the lightweight, 0-60 in 4.5 sec, best handling, luxurious interior, 10 year warranty, M340i killer, amazing 10/10 reviews and huge "fan based" did not help the G70 to survive in this market. Tbh, it's sad tbh that sedans are getting chopped left and right but happy to see Acura is still pushing MT and I appreciate that Acura is giving us two of the best sedans in the market right now!

KrylonBlue

I agree.

Although it’s very difficult for my girlfriend to get in and out of my TLX with her bad back. I have had some thoughts of getting an RDX once the new generation hits if it looks as great as the current lineup for that reason alone. Of course, I’d want a Type S 😅😅

GhostTL09

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No shockers here.

We'll be sure to give it the Twin Turbo Salute! Lol

Tony Pac

Genesis will build a special edition for the diehard fans...probably the 0-60 will improve from 4.5 to 4.4 and it will be more track focused.

oldsnwbrdr

The Integra, even with the tech package, doesn’t have Homelink mirror to program your garage door(s). This is SUCH an epic fail/oversight that it makes me wonder what cost cutting Acura has made that I can’t see. And yes I need all three buttons, OR three remotes. F that.

Pens Fan

It is strange what decisions are being made that lead to de-contenting certain models. I chose a Civic Sport Touring Hatchback instead of the Integra for a variety of reasons including the fact that the Civic has Homelink and the Integra does not. Each has somethings that I wished the other had but in the end decided the Civic met more of my needs. As far as fun to drive I consider them equal.

KrylonBlue

Wait a second…

An Acura, a supposed sport “luxury” car, doesn’t have HomeLink? I understand how my girlfriends Kia Soul, which was first a fleet vehicle, doesn’t have something similar but not a new Integra. She has to use a remote while I am able to use my cars built in system.

I wouldn’t say I looked for this feature when I bought my Type S but I feel much of that is because I never figured an Acura would be without.

fiatlux

Correcto, no homelink, and no rear hvac vents either.

Tesla1856

Good way of putting it.

And as @fiatlux posted ... once you start looking closer (and keep a detailed feature list) ... don't be surprised if you find more missing.

oldsnwbrdr

Guys, I just started researching the 2023 Accord Hybrid. Even the highest trim level… the Touring… does not have a Homelink programmable transmitter. I could be wrong on this but you can’t get satellite radio either (that doesn’t really matter to me).

JM2010 SH-AWD

Our only disappointment with our A Spec Integra was the missing Homelink. But our trusty remote works just fine, so at the end of the day, the driving enjoyment the car brings us coupled with its practicality and other features still has us won over.

There are some workarounds using Siri and Google Assistant and the smart garage openers that are abundant in the marketplace. I suspect Homelink-like features will be going the way of the buggy whip in the not too distant future (along with in-vehicle navigation). I thought I'd really miss the latter, but simple phone-pairing and wireless Android Auto have worked great for us, and I now prefer to use that over the in-vehicle nav in our other car.

The Integra's rear seat console looks a little barren without vents, but honestly the AC in the car will blow you out on the hottest of days. I (and my passengers) can live without the rear vents.

fiatlux

They made Homelink an additional option available on any trim level rather than gatekeeper it behind the highest trim.

oldsnwbrdr

you’re right, it’s available under interior accessories. Thank you for correcting me!

leomio2.0

Let's be honest ... the chances of there being a 3G TLX are slim to none. Acura might create a new platform with it as an EV, but it probably won't see another ICE variant.

In more positive news, Mercedes is allegedly bringing back their V8s to their AMG variants. A ray of sunshine in this asinine totalitarian EV nanny state nonsense. Hopefully more automakers follow suit.

ESHBG

The lack of Navi in the Integra bothers me for a few reasons, with one being it's a weird concept to me to pay for a more upscale vehicle but have things missing.

mike03a3

But the TLX has homelink, right? (I don't see it in any specs, or as an accessory ala Accord)

I can see why they are making it an accessory. A good bit of the population lives in apartment bldgs where they don't have a garage door, and all the 21st century ones work with WiFi, Alexa, Siri etc and/or a phone app. I'm a fossil who likes that all my vehicles have homelink to operate my 40+year old Genie openers, but I guess a lot of people just don't need one these days.

Tony Pac

100%! agreed!
My guess is MDX & TLX will be electric for next Gen. RDX is in the limbo and if we don't see a concept by end of this year, then for sure EV. But Integra will remain ICE,

ELIN

I don't see the next gen TLX as being EV. If Acura hedges on the wrong side, this decision could really ruin the company!

GhostTL09

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You can't write, Let's be honest, and then go into speculation. It's just YOUR HONEST OPINION, and that's ok. But it doesn't have to be anyone's speculative truth.

fiatlux

LOL the resale value of those 4-banger AMGs are going to be drop so hard you could probably buy one for less than the price of a ham sandwich.

richii0207

Agreed, MyQ has auto-open and auto-close which has been more convenient than genie or homelink.

cwatt79

It has been reported that the next generations of the RDX, TLX, and MDX will all be fully electric on Honda's e:Architecture platform. They will debut for the 2025, 2026, and 2027 model years, respectively. Not sure of the credibility of the source, but it's believable to me. Maybe they'll sell ICE and EV versions of the same models alongside each other, like Genesis?

dmski

Totally agree. To bet all on EV at this stage is moronic. EV sales have fizzled and cars are starting to pile up at dealerships (Tesla excluded). Prices and intrest rates are having a huge impact. At this stage make an EV division but to throw out all ice cars offering is a recepie for disaster.

leomio2.0

At this point, I don't know who would actually accept delivery or keep their reservation on one. Even if you wanted to just rip it around for a couple of years, by the time you go to trade it in, you'll be losing your absolute ass on it. And if that wasn't enough, it has been getting consistently horrendous reviews.

RDX10

They really diluted the entire brand by pulling the AMG 43 B.S. I remember growing up and seeing an AMG and actually stopping and being impressed. Now it's like what the hell is this shit??

fiatlux

Think 43 is bad? They now have 35

Flapjackura

The de-contenting of the Integra, especially Homelink - to me - is an utterly baffling decision on Acura's part. A weird decision amongst many they make. Type S Integra doesn't have it, nor does any Integra trim offer cooled seats. If ye be a luxury brand, ye shall include all luxury features, yea verily, lest ye be considered half baked! I don't think there is any Lexus that comes without Homelink as standard. They keep wanting to play with the big boys then something relatively basic like Homelink needs to be included.

Flapjackura

Yes - all trims of the TLX have Homelink. For folks who live in a condo building who do have a garage door for underground parking - it's a great feature to have. Not sure if an app would be able to work with a garage door used by 60-80 other cars.