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From looking at the Integra Type S pricing in Canada ($56k CAD), I'm VERY glad I got my TLX-S for MSRP last year ($59k CAD).
I am waiting for 2024 TLX TYPE S and will lock it right after I love the current model and I believe it looks the best in the segment, but just due to family situation, I want to push it until end of this year or early next year. So, by the time, I am ready, it will be 2024 model for sure. So it might get wireless Apple carplay. I don't care for HUD and digital gauges and we already have 360 in Canada.
I will be a happy man if I get wireless Apple Carplay and a fresher front grill! Only issue will be pricing. Most likely it will increase by another $1.5-$2K. i am doing my homework and clearly G70 and TLX are the best in terms of price/value. Germans are insanely pricy and Lexus IS is outdated.
Agreed! Today, everything is crazy and the car market is on fire.
I have one issue with this pricing: At $51K, there are a lot of other options. I still believe that TLX and TLX TYPE S is very well priced compared to the competition. I built a C43 last night with very similar options to TLX TYPE S and the price came to $89K CAD vs the TYPE S is $64K. Now with ITS, it is no longer a value car but a niche and special product if we go based on the pricing.
For ITS, TLX Type-S, M340i, or C43 money I'd get a C8 to me alot more fun and performance for a reasonable price. I don't need a back seat
Originally Posted by sonyfever
A new stamping cast costs a lot of money, if you are Acura boss, would you spend the money on a car that barely sell 20k/year and has no platform mate to share the underlying cost with?
There are some easy creative ways to reduce the cost of adding some body panel cutouts.
modular hard die stamp tooling, cost a small fraction of the complete die/punch set by just changing out one section
use of a jig and waterjet/laser cutting CNC
difficult to believe but in 1987 McLaren ASC used simple template to allow sheet metal workers to cut out the front fender vents of the Buick GNX, only 547 were made so economically it made the most sense. There are some more amusing stories similar to that with the MB500 Hammer being manufactured by Porsche.
Not sure which one you mean as other cars you state exact company. Maybe it's a Canada thing? Here in the USA, we just pay the MSRP on Audi website. It's also pretty easy to get 5%-7% off at time of deal (with current offers, etc.). If you know how to compare apples-to-apples (including equipment/option-trims) and are not willing to spend a lot of money on a Premium vehicle that is still missing options ... maybe take a closer look.
However, if you are looking to "save money" an Audi, BMW, or MB is not really gonna work for you unless you are ok with a CPO. I've hear they are fine as most of us buying $55,000+ vehicles tend to take good care of them.
Pricing for the ITS is high, but if you can get it for MSRP it's still cheaper than the current market price for the CTR. This is the Integra 6MT vs Civic Si pricing issue all over again. I called a few Honda dealerships and they're still not budging on CTR markups; in fact there's still a line for them. My local dealership is asking for $25K ADM and there's apparently still a dozen people on the waitlist.
It's like bizarro-world. Can't you get a loaded TLX for that? Not to mention any number of entry-level Premium-branded sedans?
Sure, but it's not a Civic Type R. People want what people want. And for the record, for the same price, I'd rather have a Civic Type R than a TLX Type S or M340i. The latter is faster, no doubt, but it's not as enjoyable to drive, especially since it now only comes with an automatic. I've yet to sample the FL5, but if it drives anything like the FK8, it's a lot more engaging, rewarding, and fun to drive compared to those entry level fast-ish luxury sedans. Having 3 pedals just can't be overstated when it comes driving enjoyment. Frankly, if I'm looking for a fast automatic, I would just get an EV and it'll blow almost every car on the road out of the water.
Sure, but it's not a Civic Type R. People want what people want. And for the record, for the same price, I'd rather have a Civic Type R than a TLX Type S or M340i. The latter is faster, no doubt, but it's not as enjoyable to drive, especially since it now only comes with an automatic. I've yet to sample the FL5, but if it drives anything like the FK8, it's a lot more engaging, rewarding, and fun to drive compared to those entry level fast-ish luxury sedans. Having 3 pedals just can't be overstated when it comes driving enjoyment. Frankly, if I'm looking for a fast automatic, I would just get an EV and it'll blow almost every car on the road out of the water.
I highly doubt you will like the EV...Sure it will be fast but the driving dynamic, sound and just feel of a "real" car you will never get with an EV.
For ITS, TLX Type-S, M340i, or C43 money I'd get a C8 to me alot more fun and performance for a reasonable price. I don't need a back seat
well yes, but you’d be getting a bare bones base model C8 1LT with no options as it starts at $60k and a decently spec’d C8 will be a 2LT with a couple desirable options like front-end lift system, Z51 Package etc. which will run you about $80k-$90k assuming a msrp deal
I highly doubt you will like the EV...Sure it will be fast but the driving dynamic, sound and just feel of a "real" car you will never get with an EV.
The same could be said about cars with automatics. Sure it will be fast but the driving dynamic, control, and just feel of a "real" transmission you will never get with an automatic .
The same could be said about cars with automatics. Sure it will be fast but the driving dynamic, control, and just feel of a "real" transmission you will never get with an automatic .
Agreed! I think the feel of a manual car is just wow. A few weeks ago, I drove a friend's old VW Golf! It felt so good. I think the last time, I drove manual was pre-pandemic It's a shame that most cars auto now. Also, I won't lie, in traffic I prefer auto lol
well yes, but you’d be getting a bare bones base model C8 1LT with no options as it starts at $60k and a decently spec’d C8 will be a 2LT with a couple desirable options like front-end lift system, Z51 Package etc. which will run you about $80k-$90k assuming a msrp deal
The 1LT is very well equipped for a base model and what looks to be good material quality as well. The only option I would want is the lift and perhaps the Z51, which may be too much for long distance comfort. GM made a statement last year sometime that they lose some money on the 1LT, and have profit with the 2LT/3LT and typical option packages. 2023's are starting at $65k, supposedly some dealers are selling nonZ06 models for MSRP. https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...electedIndex=0
The 1LT is very well equipped for a base model and what looks to be good material quality as well. The only option I would want is the lift and perhaps the Z51, which may be too much for long distance comfort. GM made a statement last year sometime that they lose some money on the 1LT, and have profit with the 2LT/3LT and typical option packages. 2023's are starting at $65k, supposedly some dealers are selling nonZ06 models for MSRP. https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...electedIndex=0
C8 1LT
yeah the dealers around me are only selling C8 Stingrays at msrp if your willing to wait for an allocation and have it custom built/ordered anything already on the ground/lot is subject to a markup :/
The 1LT is very well equipped for a base model and what looks to be good material quality as well. The only option I would want is the lift and perhaps the Z51, which may be too much for long distance comfort. GM made a statement last year sometime that they lose some money on the 1LT, and have profit with the 2LT/3LT and typical option packages. 2023's are starting at $65k, supposedly some dealers are selling nonZ06 models for MSRP. https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...electedIndex=0
C8 1LT
Nice car, but just wasn't for me. I liked the higher-trim-packaged ones, but even at that price, they still didn't even have AWD back then. It just didn't seem like a "daily driver" to me. It was also hard to see out-the-back window and around car in traffic (like for changing lanes).
yeah the dealers around me are only selling C8 Stingrays at msrp if your willing to wait for an allocation and have it custom built/ordered anything already on the ground/lot is subject to a markup :/
Around me it's a similar story but the Chevy website does show net price for dealerships. I found this LT1 on Chevy's website and it's sitting in the back of my mind. Unfortunately the front lift is only available on the LT2/3 https://www.chevrolet.com/locate-inv...en-panel=Hours
2006 Acura Integra (RSX) Type S - Around $25K
2023 Acura Integra Type S - Around $52K
That $25K in 2006 equates to about $37K in 2023...
It's overpriced no matter what it's compared to (97 ITR or 06 RSX-S).
That's just your subjective opinion.
The 4G RSX Type-S was pretty mild in that it's motor was only ~31% more powerful whereas the 5G Integra Type-S is 60% more powerful. The ITR is also not much more powerful but it was special in it's specific tuning, kinda like the S2000 CS.
Considering the extreme difference in performance/features/functions it's hard to make a direct comparison. My original post is just showing how the new ITS is within reasonable range of the 3G ITR, accounting for inflation but not taking into account performance/features/functions differences.
Something else to think about:
People initially thought that the Integra was overpriced and wouldn’t sell. Look at where it is now, even winning COTY.
It is selling? Because even a small Acura dealer near me has more Integras in stock than any other model. Anything you want, base, aspec cvt, aspec tech cvt, aspec tech manual...
Actually I might be wrong about "any other model" because they have piles and piles of TLXs'.
On the other hand, they can't keep up with demand for RDX and even MDX. So it's not that people don't have the money or don't want to spend their money, it seems to be something else.
It is selling? Because even a small Acura dealer near me has more Integras in stock than any other model. Anything you want, base, aspec cvt, aspec tech cvt, aspec tech manual...
Actually I might be wrong about "any other model" because they have piles and piles of TLXs'.
On the other hand, they can't keep up with demand for RDX and even MDX. So it's not that people don't have the money or don't want to spend their money, it seems to be something else.
Looking at one dealer lot isn't the best way to gauge nation wide sales figures, here's the sales for Q1 2023...
7706 - Acura Integra
4068 - Audi A3
2711 - Cadillac CT4
2530 - Mercedes CLA
1383 - BMW 2-series
...it's not a direct competitor but the 3-series is even being outsold by the Integra (6571 vs 7706). So I'd say the Integra is selling very well.
It is selling? Because even a small Acura dealer near me has more Integras in stock than any other model. Anything you want, base, aspec cvt, aspec tech cvt, aspec tech manual...
Actually I might be wrong about "any other model" because they have piles and piles of TLXs'.
On the other hand, they can't keep up with demand for RDX and even MDX. So it's not that people don't have the money or don't want to spend their money, it seems to be something else.
It absolutely is. I also expect the ITS to be another hit for Acura based off it being a more comfortable CTR for daily driving. It may be expensive to you, but the price is justifiable for what it is.
It absolutely is. I also expect the ITS to be another hit for Acura based off it being a more comfortable CTR for daily driving. It may be expensive to you, but the price is justifiable for what it is.
I was the first one to post something about pricing and criticizing Acura. But after a few days of research (Canadian market of course) I realized that ITS isn't expensive for what it offers. at first glance, yes it may sound expensive but in reality it's fairly priced. Considering today's market, I believe the ITS will be a huge hit!
FWIW there are some special things that set the 2023 ITS apart over the regular Integra that come from the CTR.
1) K20C1 motor (320HP vs 200HP)
2) Dual Axis front suspension (two upper front ball joints to reduce the steering axle angle improving contact patch and reducing torque steer.
3) Front Brembo radial mounted single piece calipers and aluminum hat two piece rotors.
The ITR in '97 was about 24K or roughly 45K in today's dollars (probably a bit more; I don't think the calculator I used factors in the last year's increase in inflation.
Does today's Type S have 6K worth of improvements over the '97 Type R? The newer car is more comfortable, quieter, gets about the same mpg and would absolutely smoke the '97 in virtually any type of performance measurement. There is no right answer to that question -- it all depends on what one is looking for in a car. But I think plenty will decide that the value/performance ratio is good, especially when cars like this are getting increasingly hard to find.
While we're on the topic of the Integra (sorry to contribute to the thread hijack) our 91 Integra LS was about 17K, or about 37,900 in today's dollars, almost exactly what we paid for our ASpec Tech with 6MT. Similar to the Type R/S comparison, the new car is better in every way, with more comfort, features, and substantially better MPG. And our new car would smoke our dearly-loved 91 LS with more fun in the process, all for the same price we paid in '91. There's a reason the Integra is selling so well and leads its class by a large margin in sales.
The ITR in '97 was about 24K or roughly 45K in today's dollars (probably a bit more; I don't think the calculator I used factors in the last year's increase in inflation.
Does today's Type S have 6K worth of improvements over the '97 Type R? The newer car is more comfortable, quieter, gets about the same mpg and would absolutely smoke the '97 in virtually any type of performance measurement. There is no right answer to that question -- it all depends on what one is looking for in a car. But I think plenty will decide that the value/performance ratio is good, especially when cars like this are getting increasingly hard to find.
While we're on the topic of the Integra (sorry to contribute to the thread hijack) our 91 Integra LS was about 17K, or about 37,900 in today's dollars, almost exactly what we paid for our ASpec Tech with 6MT. Similar to the Type R/S comparison, the new car is better in every way, with more comfort, features, and substantially better MPG. And our new car would smoke our dearly-loved 91 LS with more fun in the process, all for the same price we paid in '91. There's a reason the Integra is selling so well and leads its class by a large margin in sales.
I was the first one to post something about pricing and criticizing Acura. But after a few days of research (Canadian market of course) I realized that ITS isn't expensive for what it offers. at first glance, yes it may sound expensive but in reality it's fairly priced. Considering today's market, I believe the ITS will be a huge hit!
I'm curious what you compared it against and pricing. One thing that bugs me about the current Integra the CVT 🤮. ILX had the dual clutch and bullet proof engine. I'd take that any day over current offering. Second, the interior, almost identical to the Civic. Yes, new Civic interior is very nice but spending extra I expect more.
Also, Acura is leaving so much money on the table by not having an entry SUV. W*F are they thinking. Get this to the market NOW.
It absolutely is. I also expect the ITS to be another hit for Acura based off it being a more comfortable CTR for daily driving. It may be expensive to you, but the price is justifiable for what it is.
It's not expensive to me, it's expensive, period.
I could effortlessly buy a $52K car, but I would never spend that kind of money on a FWD 4 banger that is missing ventilated seats, no sun roof, no rear vents, no rear usb, no driver memory seat, manual passenger seat (lol), no middle seat in the back, etc.
S3 AWD DCT is faster and cheaper
M240 AWD 8ZF is faster and cheaper
Golf R AWD DCT is faster and cheaper
Once you get to $52K, a whole realm of options opens up. People who spend that kind of money do not buy fwd hatchbacks that have less luxury than the $15K cheaper aspec tech trim of the same car. Ridiculous 😂
I could effortlessly buy a $52K car, but I would never spend that kind of money on a FWD 4 banger that is missing ventilated seats, no sun roof, no rear vents, no rear usb, no driver memory seat, manual passenger seat (lol), no middle seat in the back, etc.
S3 AWD DCT is faster and cheaper
M240 AWD 8ZF is faster and cheaper
Golf R AWD DCT is faster and cheaper
Once you get to $52K, a whole realm of options opens up. People who spend that kind of money do not buy fwd hatchbacks that have less luxury than the $15K cheaper aspec tech trim of the same car. Ridiculous 😂
You are missing the point of its platform (CTR) since you’re talking about faster. The car is about fun. There’s a reason why owners and reviewers rave about its driving dynamics. Do you really think most people including me bought a CTR to drag race? Drive one and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Considering you have an Accord without LSD, corner craving ain’t your thing.
Another note: Why do you think people buy 718s when there are much faster cars for the price? By your reasoning, just buy an M3P and call it a day since it’s the fastest in the price range by a significant margin.
Price is fine, it’s just not something you would buy. Kind of like how I wouldn’t buy an Accord.
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I'm curious what you compared it against and pricing. One thing that bugs me about the current Integra the CVT 🤮. ILX had the dual clutch and bullet proof engine. I'd take that any day over current offering. Second, the interior, almost identical to the Civic. Yes, new Civic interior is very nice but spending extra I expect more.
Also, Acura is leaving so much money on the table by not having an entry SUV. W*F are they thinking. Get this to the market NOW.
I was comparing it to the the entry level premium/luxury cars like A3, CLA, 2 Series and etc. Yes, I agree the CVT is no good but Acura offers manual which is very unique, and true enthusiasts will pay no matter how much to get it . Also, Teggy is bigger and more practical compared to all of the cars mentioned. Finally, Acura's reliability and resale value
Entry level SUV, yes, I am so pissed off. I thought after seeing the CDX in China, they will bring something similar to NA but nothing yet. They are missing out for sure. An entry level SUV will complete Acura's lineup
You are missing the point of its platform (CTR) since you’re talking about faster. The car is about fun. There’s a reason why owners and reviewers rave about its driving dynamics.
Which then begs the question, why even buy the ITS over the CTR? It offers almost nothing better. If it was only 3k more, I could almost justify it. For $7k, you get a car that's now built in Ohio rather than Japan, standard Integra A-Spec seats and a better sound system. Aside from availability, there's really no reason to buy it. They did the styling better (see: more mature), but the new CTR isn't really that bad. And honestly, I'm not liking the "tacked on fender flares"-look the more I see it. I wouldn't pay more than MSRP for the CTR. After the initial hype settled for me, I'd be reluctant to pay more for what the ITS offers ... which, IMO, is an inferior product than the CTR. If it rides like it's on a cloud somehow, that will change my mind, but I doubt it'll ride appreciably nicer.
Which then begs the question, why even buy the ITS over the CTR?
That’s a question for you to answer for yourself TBH. Same reason why people buy an Integra A-Spec manual over a Civic Si (about same $$ difference between a CTR and a ITS). People want the extra comfort/luxury features over the track-focused CTR while still being engaging.
That’s a question for you to answer for yourself TBH. Same reason why people buy an Integra A-Spec manual over a Civic Si (about same $$ difference between a CTR and a ITS). People want the extra comfort/luxury features over the track-focused CTR while still being engaging.
This is a TLX thread.......go to ITS page or Facebook.
You are missing the point of its platform (CTR) since you’re talking about faster. The car is about fun. There’s a reason why owners and reviewers rave about its driving dynamics. Do you really think most people including me bought a CTR to drag race? Drive one and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Considering you have an Accord without LSD, corner craving ain’t your thing.
Another note: Why do you think people buy 718s when there are much faster cars for the price? By your reasoning, just buy an M3P and call it a day since it’s the fastest in the price range by a significant margin.
Price is fine, it’s just not something you would buy. Kind of like how I wouldn’t buy an Accord.
I'm not missing any point. Maybe you are. I never said anything about straight line acceleration. Does Golf R not have driving dynamic? Does it not have drift mode? Is S3 not fun? Is M240 not fun? That seems to be the go-to defense of this car, "fun". Like these cars aren't. Please...
And your jab at my ownership of the Accord is what happens when someone runs out of argument so they start insulting. My Accord has LSD from 10th Gen CTR. It cost about $2600 all-in. I also have front and rear Eibach sway bars, Borla exhaust, Acuity Stage 2 shifter upgrade, Hondata mapping, etc. I choose to go with a mature looking car and did the upgrades to compensate for shortcomings from the factory. All in, including $28K brand new, I'm still way under $40K and I have a reliable comfortable car that is extremely competent.
To address your "corner carving" comment; I did rally racing event in Europe in 2004 in a WRC sanctioned event. The car I was operating was highly modified Corsa OPC. Look it up, I'll wait. I've driven on rally roads you've only seen on YouTube. I regularly travel to Europe and drive on roads that don't even exist in North America. Here in US, you can go to a "track" that you spend 2 hours listening to rules and then have to do a lead-follow car when you do get on the track for 15 minutes.
Car & Driver did a comparison test between the 2023 Honda Civic Type R vs. 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Circuit vs. 2022 VW Golf R. Wasn't even close, they far preferred the FWD CTR over the AWD GR and R. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...lf-r-compared/
1st Place: Honda Civic Type R
HIGHS: Best steering, handling, shifting, and seats; livable ride quality.
LOWS: Light on features versus the Golf, noisy over the road.
VERDICT: Unfathomably great, with no "for a front-driver" qualifier needed.
I've never driven a CTR, but would like to sometime. With roots from the CTR I strongly suspect the ITS will perform very well from the driver's perspective like it's twin.
I'm not missing any point. Maybe you are. I never said anything about straight line acceleration. Does Golf R not have driving dynamic? Does it not have drift mode? Is S3 not fun? Is M240 not fun? That seems to be the go-to defense of this car, "fun". Like these cars aren't. Please...
And your jab at my ownership of the Accord is what happens when someone runs out of argument so they start insulting. My Accord has LSD from 10th Gen CTR. It cost about $2600 all-in. I also have front and rear Eibach sway bars, Borla exhaust, Acuity Stage 2 shifter upgrade, Hondata mapping, etc. I choose to go with a mature looking car and did the upgrades to compensate for shortcomings from the factory. All in, including $28K brand new, I'm still way under $40K and I have a reliable comfortable car that is extremely competent.
To address your "corner carving" comment; I did rally racing event in Europe in 2004 in a WRC sanctioned event. The car I was operating was highly modified Corsa OPC. Look it up, I'll wait. I've driven on rally roads you've only seen on YouTube. I regularly travel to Europe and drive on roads that don't even exist in North America. Here in US, you can go to a "track" that you spend 2 hours listening to rules and then have to do a lead-follow car when you do get on the track for 15 minutes.
I could go on but what's the point.
Let me know when you get your Integra Type S.
I was not aware pointing out the fact that you drive an Accord was an insult. Who knew??
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I'm not missing any point. Maybe you are. I never said anything about straight line acceleration. Does Golf R not have driving dynamic? Does it not have drift mode? Is S3 not fun? Is M240 not fun? That seems to be the go-to defense of this car, "fun". Like these cars aren't. Please...
And your jab at my ownership of the Accord is what happens when someone runs out of argument so they start insulting. My Accord has LSD from 10th Gen CTR. It cost about $2600 all-in. I also have front and rear Eibach sway bars, Borla exhaust, Acuity Stage 2 shifter upgrade, Hondata mapping, etc. I choose to go with a mature looking car and did the upgrades to compensate for shortcomings from the factory. All in, including $28K brand new, I'm still way under $40K and I have a reliable comfortable car that is extremely competent.
To address your "corner carving" comment; I did rally racing event in Europe in 2004 in a WRC sanctioned event. The car I was operating was highly modified Corsa OPC. Look it up, I'll wait. I've driven on rally roads you've only seen on YouTube. I regularly travel to Europe and drive on roads that don't even exist in North America. Here in US, you can go to a "track" that you spend 2 hours listening to rules and then have to do a lead-follow car when you do get on the track for 15 minutes.
I could go on but what's the point.
Let me know when you get your Integra Type S.
I've pointed this out before but that guy you're responding to does nothing but try to talk down to people about their cars. Look at his history mostly him arguing with random members. His attitude is probably the worst on this forum.
I've pointed this out before but that guy you're responding to does nothing but try to talk down to people about their cars. Look at his history mostly him arguing with random members. His attitude is probably the worst on this forum.
Look in the mirror and look at YOUR history post. Ironic coming from you who decides to come in instigating an already closed topic that a moderator already got involved in and asked to move on. You literally only come in at random times to fan flames.
Since you want to open Pandora’s box…Keep in mind he said that a Golf R, S3, and M240 is faster than a car that is built on a CTR chassis. Which is is FALSE as seen in C&D Lightning Lap based on CTR times. Unless he meant acceleration but he specifically mentioned he was not talking straight line speed. So which was he referring to when he said faster?
I then pointed out the fact that prices are higher on everything after he complained about the ITS price being expensive, which led me to mention how the price is expensive to him. He took the line personally with him thinking I was implying that he can’t afford one.
Lastly, I implied how there’s different preferences on cars, like how he wouldn’t buy an ITS and how I wouldn’t buy an Accord, which again he took that offensively. People buy what they like, why get upset if I have zero interest in buying an Accord?
I like it point out inconsistencies directly, I don’t beat around the bush or sugarcoat things. It’s not my fault some may take things personally.
05-04-2023, 12:33 PM
I love the current model and I believe it looks the best in the segment, but just due to family situation, I want to push it until end of this year or early next year. So, by the time, I am ready, it will be 2024 model for sure. So it might get wireless Apple carplay. I don't care for HUD and digital gauges and we already have 360 in Canada. 
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It's a shame that most cars auto now. Also, I won't lie, in traffic I prefer auto lol
Unfortunately the front lift is only available on the LT2/3
