jjsC5

have you seen 330 performance figures? I’m quite sure you have not if you think the S blows it away. Faster, yes. Blows away, no. The Type S is much closer to the 330 than it is to the M340.

bilirubin

0-60 and even 1/4-mile has become a very contentious and somewhat misleading stat. It's been discussed here ad nauseum, so I'll simply link to a video from former Motor Trend editor, Jason Cammisa...

...as discussed in the video, the more useful "real life" acceleration stat is 5-60 mph, which Car and Driver routinely tests...
M340i: 4.7 sec
TLX Type S: 5.5 sec
330i xDrive: 6.4 sec
...so the TLX Type S is 0.9 seconds quicker than the 330i, and 0.8 seconds slower than the M340i. The 330i is actually a lot closer to a Honda Odyssey (5-60 in 6.7 sec) than the Type S.

ELIN

What was the number for the 2.0 TLX?

I gotta take these numbers with a grain of salt. MT was the publication that claimed the latest gen (but heavier) MDX was faster than the previous gen with the same exact V6 engine.

bilirubin

No grain of salt needed, these numbers were from Car & Driver (Motor Trend doesn't do 5-60 mph testing). 5-60 testing was started by Csaba Csere (C&D's former Editor-in-chief).

And I agree, Motor Trend can be a little wonky. They said the TLX 2.0T does 0-60 in 7.1, then later said it does it in 6.1. They said the Lexus IS300 was just as quick to 60 as the IS350.
And FYI, as per C&D the TLX 2.0T did 5-60 in 6.5 sec.

Nexx

I am so happy I have grown out of worrying about 0-60 and quarter mile times. I owned and driven really fast cars. Now I put more into how does it drives. How does it make me feel when I look at it. Does it feel fast enough for me? Does it corner well on a spirited drive on the back roads?

leomio2.0

With how much this excuse is tossed around here, you'd think people were cross shopping a TLX/TLX-S against a Top Fuel drag car.

richii0207

I wasn’t aware that we’re not allowed to have opinions.
I do prefer driving the Type S and CTR over my significantly faster Tesla.

jjsC5

i agree with your point, but we have trap speed which is one of the most useful gauges. Also, when you are talking about all wheel drive vehicles that don’t have dual clutch transmissions or sophisticated launch control the figures do have a pretty good degree of meaning. The C&D number above looks like an outlier to me given the 99mph trap speed. Either way, your information is a good response. Well done.

Tesla1856

We are allowed to post opinions, but don't be surprised if your posts are given an approval rating.

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16840342

richii0207

I don’t post for approval ratings or popularity. Crowd acceptance isn’t important to me.

bilirubin

It's worth noting that trap speed has the same shortcomings as 0-60, albeit attenuated. Why? Publications are also using launch control, brake boosting, and/or clutch dumping when launching in the 1/4-mile. Hence why 5-60 is the most useful acceleration metric in terms of "real world" validity.

leomio2.0

• The TLX-S is not tuned, despite what Sam says. Just a downpipe.
• Sam sucks at driving.
• Ktuner's tune can't get here soon enough.

Nexx

I second how bad Sam sucks at driving.

Tesla1856

The TLX-Type-S did better than I would have thought.

I think the Camaro is best looking on the outside, but I still don't care for the interior (TLX is best of 3 there). And since you still can't get the Camaro-V6 with AWD ... it didn't make my short-list.

fiatlux

Trap speed does not depend very much on the launch or traction. It’s a much purer measurement of power-weight ratio.

bilirubin

I respectfully disagree. A hard launch will result in a faster initial speed (eg. it will hit 60 earlier on a strip) that continues to a faster speed by the end of the 1/4-mile.
I'd like to see C&D also post 1/4-mile stats without the use of clutch-dumping/brake-torquing.

MarcoTLX

Camaro is cool I like the SS and ZL1 but the visibility from the cabin is AWFUL. Not something I could live with driving daily.

Tesla1856

Agreed. Same with Corvette. I was looking for something a little more practical for my daily-driver.

fiatlux

You may disagree based on intuition but that’s not true. Just because you reach 60mph earlier doesn’t mean your trap speed will be that much higher. You may hit 60mph earlier by launching the car, but the amount of distance remaining on the track isn’t substantially longer. The distance of the track remaining at that point dictates how fast your trap speed will be. Spend enough time at the drag strip and you’ll realize that trap speeds are fairly consistent even with bad launches. It’s mis-shifts in the higher gears that kill trap speeds.

bilirubin

I don't disagree with you here, but what needs to be defined is what would you consider a significant trap speed difference? We should be more specific than using words like "that much" or "fairly consistent". IMO, a +/-1 mph difference in trap speed would be fairly consistent, while a +/-3 mph difference would be a significant difference.
Using C&D's numbers, the 330i trapped at 99mph in one test, and 100mph in another (i.e +/- 1mph). The Type S trapped at 103mph (or 3-4mph quicker than the bimmer). That's a significant difference IMO, and especially when C&D's trap numbers are biased toward the 330i due to its much more aggressive launch control/brake boost, as seen in the 330i's larger 0-60 vs 5-60 discrepancy of 1.2 seconds (compared to the Type S's 0.6 second discrepancy).
Looking at the numbers, hitting 60mph 0.6 seconds sooner is about 50 feet of additional distance (60 mph = 88 ft per sec) to accelerate past 60 to the eventual approximately 100mph trap speed. 50 feet represents about 4% of a 1/4-mile. That's a big factor when if we're considering 100 vs 103 mph trap being a significant difference.

fiatlux

Your numbers prove my point. Trap speed is not impacted by a cars ability to launch hard, much like 5-60 numbers. I don’t know why you’re disagreeing with me when I say trap speeds aren’t impacted much by launch control, when the numbers you present support that.

bilirubin

I'll ask again, what would you consider a significant trap speed difference? 3 mph?

fiatlux

3mph is quite significant yes. But again that supports my point; the 330i traps slower because it has a lower power to weight ratio, launch control or not.

bilirubin

Now that we can agree 3mph is a significant trap speed difference let's think this through...
The 330i, with brake boosting, does 0-60 mph in 5.2 seconds, and it does 0-100 km/h in 5.5 to 5.6 seconds. 100 km = 62.1 miles. So the Bimmer can accelerate from 60 to 62mph in 0.3 to 0.4 seconds.
Without brake boosting, the 330i does 60 mph in 6.4 seconds, a 1.2 second discrepancy.
So we know that...
1) brake boosting allows the Bimmer to hit 60 mph 1.2 seconds sooner
2) it takes 0.3 to 0.4 seconds to add 2 mph to that 60
3) and we agree that a significant difference in trap speed is 3 mph
...so is it possible for a 330i accelerate 1mph (from 62 to 63 mph) within 0.8 to 0.9 seconds? Obviously, yes.
Therefore, brake boosting has a significant effect on trap speed. Even before it reaches the 1/4-mile, it will have already added at least 3mph from brake boosting alone.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Couldn't have said it any better. I too have owned, and still own a very fast car...'21 Mustang GT, Perf. Pack I, with every option avail. Damn fast. Now, my TLX Type S is much more car than I imagined it would
be...it's quiet, comfy, handles great, and is damn quick. Is it the fastest 0 to 60? NO..and I don't care if it's a few tenths or a second or so slower. I don't earn my living at the drag strip like apparently so many on
here must. LOL! They all worry about having THE fastest SUV...or 4 dr. etc, on the streets. Laughable really. Esp. when the Type S is very quick..and you spend probably.??? 100% of your time driving on the
streets and highways filled with tons of cars. Having a great, fun to drive, good looking, and super quick car is what counts...IF you are not trying to win money at the track!! It's as if the faster car is the BETTER car!!!
NO...that's not a criteria for an overall great vehicle. It might be the fastest to fall apart too!! Lol..Lol...Or return poorly on it's value in the 3 or 5 yr point. Etc, Etc.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Just sayin'...Off Topic?? Yeah, I'd say so. This has turned in to a "drag racers" thread...and BMW thrown in too. Gotten way off of those wanting to learn about the Acura
products and not whether they can win at the drag strip next weekend. Personally, I'd say...WAY off topic. Some comparisons with a LIKE vehicle...sure is good, but, then
it's carried WAY AWAY from that. I think it was Road & Track did a "comparison" of the MDX Type S vs a Hemi Durango!!! Damn, give me a break! They both have 3rd
rows...that's about it for comparisons. LOL! Dumb.

Nexx

the MDX Type S literally did everything better except straight line speed so the meat heads over at Road and Track voted the Durango the winner lol

Tony Pac

Every second thread here should be locked or deleted. We have the same people that are here, who play the same song and dance. Pretty much 24X7. As they have a full time job at Acura Zine LMAO! BMW is fast. Audi is great, Genesis is sexy and MB is classy, Infiniti used to be great, Lada is the next Tesla and the list goes on.....and of course the moment new members come and says "I bought a TLX" or "TLX is a great car". I swear you won't find one word of welcoming or congrats. Yet, if someone comes and says, I have issue with my peddle light. Oh! boy! Acura failed!!!! How is that possible???? ?

I am all for opinion and you can come and share it but when every topic is about bashing Acura. Honestly, what's the point. This is no longer a community where you can share your experience. You legit get attacked here if you say you're buying a TLX. WTFFF!

Just look at this thread....It's Pure non sense! who wants to read and try find a useful comment here. The last 5 pages is total BS!

bilirubin

Unfortunately there are more negative-skewed non-owners here than actual owners. I found the Acura Reddit to be much more useful for owner experience and help. I've been a Acurazine member since 2008 so it's sad to see the forum end up this way.

Tony Pac

With regret and sadness, I have to say anywhere else is better than here. As I said, in this thread, if someone wants to find a relevant info. How can you do that? It's full of BS! Anyway, its' what it's nothing will change. We have a few good members left that are trying to help new owners and share their real life experience.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Well, going back up this thread it sure looks like you have contributed heavily to the art of drag racing! So, you are part of the problem here. You should be on a site that is all about
racing. You are in a long ongoing discussion about trap speeds, and 0-60 times....etc, etc. So, your words here are hollow....all we have to do is go back and read all your racing
posts....MANY of them.

I'm not perfect, and you can't make everyone happy, but, I've tried to share my experiences after having owned so many vehicles...'cause I'm older than most here!!...And I've owned 11 Acuras,
so I guess I've learned a thing or two. Ex mech, tech school instructor, aircraft major system trainer for 2 major aircraft builders, etc, etc. Not always right, but, I try to help and put in "value added"
information when I can. But, it's no fun being here. I rarely am here any longer. Long time member too.

Moderators, I feel, could get things back on track...IF they would get tough with those that are not truly contributing!!! Kick them off, warnings then DO IT. Suspend..if it keeps up...remove perm.
Just like the big city Dem. DA's...bad guy beats up a store owner, gets zero $$ bail, out on streets next day and kills a woman on the subway!! Getting tough when it's needed is a deterrent and works.
No bail for major crimes....stiff sentences, jails have room now...wonder why???

This is how I feel those on here, and there are many, that have "stolen this once decent site"....dedicated for a purpose. This is NOT a drag racers site. Period...end of story. It's NOT an on going
BMW, Audi, and other's site.....to keep going on and on about other vehicles is NOT what this site was created to do. Duh...am I wrong here folks?? I'll answer my own question....NO, I'M NOT WRONG.
It's not fun here and I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Who has allowed this?? Well, to me it's obvious. "The Law...the cops....DA's".....in our case....the Moderators. Only one's that can fix this mess. IF they want to. So far, either they don't or don't know
how, or don't have what it takes to fix it. Obviously those of us who don't like what's going on....can't wait to see IF the PITA folks will change....we've done that.....they CAN'T change! That's obvious by now.

We've been hijacked....and who has allowed that? You "good guys" out there...you know the answer I would think.

So, bilirubin....take a look in the mirror...are you part of the problem?? Go back and read your dozens, hundreds?? of posts that do nothing but talk about racing, 1/4 mile times, etc, etc. Damn, I'm sure there
is a "racers web site" that would love you there.

I have....not that you care....a '21 Mustang GT, Perf. Pack.I with every option, and a little added.....it is FAST. The fastest....hell no. But, who cares. It's a blast to drive. I have a TLX Type S....is it the fastest???
Hell no...but, damn it's a great fun car...and damn quick! I'm taking delivery also this month of an MDX Type S Adv. Is it the fastest SUV in it's class...hell no!!! And I don't care. Man is it nice to drive, ride in,
and it's...damn quick!! Fun lux SUV. It's a STREET VEH. So, is my Mustang, and my TLX....but, all are very quick and super nice inside and out and fun to drive and enjoy. It's my 12th Mustang. Are Mustangs
popular.....duh..hell yes. Sales tell it all. For many yrs. The MDX will be my 12th Acura. I've also had a Vette or two, Supras....all fun, fast cars. THE fastest....HELL NO, but, I sure enjoyed them.

Speed is NOT everything unless you are at the track a LOT and wanting to be king of the hill....and maybe make money. What does that have to do with great STREET VEHICLES??? Not a damn thing.
Being quick, with great ride, handling, and tech stuff makes for a truly FUN street vehicle. Yes, there are some idiots...probably on here....LOL!!....that street race a LOT...endangering lives as they do so.
Have I street raced a lot....uh...yeah, when I was in my teens, and a few times in a Mustang in my 20's, 30's. I've calmed down now. Do I like great quickness and speed, sure, but, I'm more wise now.

Many on here will grow up some day....and, hmmm...some may not! Stop trying to drag us down with you as you try and "teach us all about" RACING! And how great BMW's are, and all the other NON ACURAS!
Go to the site who wants you....WE DON'T.

Moderators...the ball is in your court. What are YOU going to do about Acurazine getting this LOW vs what is was intended for???

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

Any word on when the PMC models will hit the dealership or pricing yet?

MarcoTLX

nope not yet… 2023 TLX pricing isn’t even out yet. I’m thinking we will get PMC pricing when 2023 TLX pricing is announced

Tony Pac

I don't see much changes for the MMC. I am disappointed that the PMC won't be fully loaded. But again, they might make the MMC - A-SPEC Advance like Acura did for RDX.

oh! if they can cut some weight, it would be beyond awesome.

bilirubin

Weight reduction would be great but I'm doubtful. Acura already went with an aluminum hood and fenders, so it's not for a lack of trying. Perhaps a carbon fiber roof option?

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

they just should have went the Benz route with a 4 cylinder sports hybrid motor but we are talking Honda here. I just wish they would have improved on the RLX hybrid power train and placed it into the new type s models.

Tony Pac

Since this thread is a zoo and you never know what was posted and what wasn't. I came across a very interesting comparison and hope it's not a duplicate: https://www.kbb.com/comparison/2022-...es-comparison/

Of course, comparison is subjective as which one looks better, but the best part of this article is putting both cars next to each other and comparison specs related to size, warranrty and etc. Not 0-20, 0-30, 0-40,0-60 and BMW flies in the sky and TLX goes to space lol!

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

size wise I like the tlx for its driver and passenger space… it feels wider up front compared to the competition.

Tony Pac

the truth is everyone keeps complaining about the TLX size and when you see the exact numbers compared to the 3 series. There isn't much difference. Yes, TLX is heavier but it also gives you a much bigger and settled feeling. It's longer and wider. that's why TLX looks way more premium than its competitors from outside. It looks like a A7 size.

Tesla1856

I see the the name of this thread, so I think it's OK to post. Plus, you brought it up.

I don't know BMW's that well, but I thought the 3-series was BMW's smaller one.

I pretty sure the matching Audi (size-wise) in the A6-sedan . For the V6-TLX, you use the S6.

Personally, I don't like cars that are any bigger than they need to be because (for one thing) that just makes them harder to park (including, in the garage).