bilirubin

I wish Throttle House did a did a dig race without launch control or brake torquing, as that's were the Type S would be more competitive. They gave the C43 AMG that courtesy when they raced it vs the S4 and M340i. With launch control/brake torquing, the S4 beat the C43. And without it, the C43 beat the S4.

ESHBG

2024 Accord spy shots:

https://www-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...-first-time%2F

F23A4

fiatlux

According to the owner, the Type S has a catless downpipe and straight piped exhaust. I wonder how much extra power that adds.

F23A4

I reached out to the owner but, he indicated that he's never had it dyno'd. So he's not sure how much power he's gained. Say what one will regarding the TLX-S, it's going to be fun watching its aftermarket develop.

richii0207

The edge of seat, adrenaline pumping, heart racing action-packed drag race featuring three automatic cars! As much excitement as watching a tesla accelerate from outside the car. I guess he always has to make body gestures or comments during the race so that viewers don’t fall asleep.

Drag racing is so boring, especially when it’s an automatic car. To each their own I guess. I suppose that’s why there are those who salivate over published 0-60 or 1/4 times.

Nexx

100% agree, now with a lot of high power cars going AWD, Automatic with launch control... its really dumbed down the sport.

leomio2.0

I'm actually surprised by the lack of aftermarket seeing as the car has been out for a year now. I guess most places figure the R&D isn't worth it with the amount sold? It would be nice for them to stick the 3.0T in the next gen RDX Type-S (if they make one), but with how the market is shifting, I feel like if they went solely ICE on it it'd be DOA. Regardless, there's still not even a canned tune ... just a JB4 piggyback. I really wanted to see what they could do with this thing with some downpipes, tune and a larger turbo ... then maybe I could turncoat & climb out of Camp Hater. Alas, I honestly don't think there will ever be the kind of aftermarket support as with the 2.0T, and that's really just fueled by the Civic Type-R.

Then again, the G70 doesn't have much either (though, still more than the TLX-S). The only turbo upgrade kit that I know of costs $12k before anything. Yea, no thanks ... you're getting near M3 money at that point.

fiatlux

That's not exactly true; you have to consider the exchange rate. $48,305 CAD is $37,470 USD. The Odyssey in the US is $40,410 USD so in Canada it's actually about $3000 cheaper.

richii0207

KTuner is currently in beta testing. Aftermarket parts will come after a true tune is developed. Can’t sell many flex fuel kits, larger turbos, or other significant bolt-ons if there’s no tunes that support them.

KTuner is not BMS. They actually beta test for a while it instead of trying to make a quick buck by selling a tune and letting the first buyers be the guinea pigs. It’s nearing the 2 month mark for beta testing.

If acceleration is your thing, their most basic conservative tune that’s in testing already puts the Type S in the 12s already with just a tune. I’m more excited to see what Eibach does.

leomio2.0

Very fair and true point. Hopefully the rest of the drivetrain can handle the increased power, but I can see it being an 11-sec car with turbo, DP & tune (along with supporting mods like intercooler, fuel pump, etc). If it can achieve that, that’s a huge win in my eyes.

I love the lowered look, but driving around with a lowered car gets real old real fast in my book.

richii0207

I’m looking forward to the Eibach for increased driving dynamics, not to lower the car specifically.

Considering that the 4 cyl TLX are running 12s with bolt ons and seems to be holding together well, I expect the J30ac and its transmission to hold together better.

dmski

We already posted here the guy who with just a couple of bolt ons and a down pipe hitting 12.4. Tune will easily put him in high 11's. For a daily driver, how much faster do you want to go and where the hell are you going to use all that power. Not on regular streets I hope.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

Benz tech is insane…. This may be my new runner up to my type s.

F23A4

Honestly, it's the most compelling MB model that I've seen in years. Granted, I probably wouldnt get one over the M340i, G20 aging notwithstanding.

Tesla1856

Looks good. I just wish they would step-back and put real (tactical) buttons back on the steering wheel . But I guess not since it should have happened on this redesign?

AMG looks like the way to go if getting a MB, but I'm more interested in that Hybrid he mentioned. Even 2.0T 260hp engine + 100hp motor = 360hp would be nice. In a coupe (with a backseat) of course. Seems like that would make a nice daily-driver.

richii0207

Agreed. Touch buttons are a nightmare when you’re tracking, you end up hitting all kinds of buttons on turns. One of the biggest complaints about the Mk8 GTIs for racers.

dmski

Oh wow, IS500 loses to a much cheaper KIA and no posts from IS500 fans that post here on a regular basis. Given that Type S was a failure after losing to the same car what does that say about the Lexus? Lots of excusess in the comments section on YouTube as well.

fiatlux

Let me guess, Slow Sam was the one driving the IS500? The dude does not know how to launch a car to save his life. Even with his slow butt in the drivers seat, I guarantee you that the IS will beat the Stringer from a roll. Don't even need to watch it to know that. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Tony Pac

I don't care for any of these drag races but that said, still I will pick an IS and TLX TYPE S over any Koreans. No disrespect to Koreans but I just cannot spend money on a Stinger. That's all. Even if you come and tell me Stinger or G70 beat M340i. I don't care

Those who has one and enjoying their G70 or Stinger...I am very happy for them and hope they continue enjoying it! I did not watch the video btw...so not sure who won or lost.

leomio2.0

Just to save you a few mins of your life ... you were 100% right.

dmski

I'm like you and have a soft spot for JDM cars, however, you have to give it to Koreans. They have come a long way and are pushing the envelope and putting the competition on notice. Japanese brands seem to be in neutral going up a hill.

F23A4

I'd get the IS500 over the Type S and Stinger GT largely because it's a dying breed, with that NA 5.0L V8 and RWD layout, tough battling with the Kia notwithstanding.

While I can appreciate what the Hyundai twins bring to the table (especially when it comes to performance value), I'm personally just not interested in the brand.

leomio2.0

In 10yrs, the IS500 will likely be worth more than you pay for it today. That same thing won’t be true for any of these 6-cylinder turbos, whether they be from Japan, Korea or Germany. I just wish I fit better in them. Same reason I won’t ever be able to get a CTR. I sat in a new WRX at the NY Auto Show with the optional Recaros and I was basically sitting on top of the bolsters.

richii0207

Eww, drag racing automatics. 🤮.

dmski

How many people keep their cars for 10 years? 0.00001%.

Tesla1856

I used to ... we actually kept a couple of Accords 19 years each. Now-days (different life-station) ... 6 years seems good.

The leases ? ... 3 years seems about right. We'll have to see how easy it is to new the next new/perfect one.

bilirubin

The average ownership of a new car is 8.4 years. Acura owners keep their car on average 8.6 years. A Civic, Corolla, Accord and Camry owner keeps their car for an average 9-10 years.
I couldn't find any data for Lexus. But keeping a car for more than 10 years is quite more than 0.00001%.
Keep in mind these stats don't include people that rent or lease their vehicles, just owners.

ESHBG

This is why many Japanese brands get such high scores, as they stay on the roads for a long time and a chunk of that is with the original owner. I kept my Accord for 11 years and I am still driving my TSX for 13.5 years and counting.

But I can agree that I am not sure my next car will be with me for as long, as all of the electronics in new cars does not scream long-term reliability to me.

mike03a3

I guess that makes me a rare bird. I kept my '07 TypeS until this year when my new car finally arrived. The '07 replaced a 1988 Jaguar XJS convertible and I still have the E-Type I bought new in 1974. My wife is just as good about keeping cars a long time. Her first Accord was a 1988 that she drove until it had over 430K miles on it. The Accord that replaced it was well on it's way to 300K when it was rammed from behind while stopped .The '07 Accord that replaced it was replaced in 2018 by a new Pilot, but the '07 Accord still is in the family with a grandchild.
I also have my 2003 Harley Softail Deuce. Routine maintenance and care and we find our cars last a long time.

dmski

You definitely see a lot of old Japanese cars on the road as compared to other brands. But original owners are rare birds. As much as I like my car, keeping it for 10 years + is not going to happen. Resale value on a 4-5 years old Type S should be quite good though so it will be tempted to dump it and move on to something new.

leomio2.0

... say the folks who cite long-term reliability as a primary reason for buying a Japanese performance vehicle over European while losing at every conceivable performance comparison metric.

richii0207

I spend more time on the road than a track and drive 25k miles/yr, so reliable and warranty coverage is pretty important to me. I have don’t need to buy a car because it can get to the next stop light a second faster than it’s competition.

robnalex

2001 CL-S. Sold it last year- bought in new in 2000: had it for 21 years!

richii0207

Many more than the number of people that will track their cars.

leomio2.0

Which is all well and good, but when I bring up the IS500 being a dying breed with an astoundingly reliable naturally-aspirated V8 and how it will likely increase its value in 10yrs when new V8s are likely to have all but died off and the retort is, "phhhbbft, nobody keeps their cars for that long anyways." Meanwhile, go back a year about arguments of TLX vs its Competition, the #1 most cited reason, by far, for getting a Honda over the Europeans was long-term reliability. So, when it's Europeans being brought up, it's "hah, it's gonna be a money pit in 5yrs!" ... but when you bring up Lexus with their far superior reliability standings, it's suddenly, "hurr, why would you keep your car longer than 5yrs anyways?" No ... you're just a Honda/Acura ball gargler.

And if we're throwing around baseless statistics, if 0.00001% people keep their cars for 10yrs+, 0.0000000001% people drive their cars for 25k miles annually. That being said, if you're doing those kinds of miles, it's almost entirely highway, which are easy on the engine so long as you keep up with maintenance. I had a customer who did more than that ... ~100k in about 3yrs if memory serves and he killed his V6 Honda (OMG, blasphemy, Honda can do now wrong!!). Well, it did run, but he was burning through oil like it was missing piston rings. With high annual mileage cars, it's all about the maintenance.

Mind you, I fully get behind the idea of Honda reliability and, even more so, the ease to work on most of the components on them. It was my primary reason for getting the RDX over the competition. If they can release a tune and achieve mid-high 400wHP figures with an upgraded turbo + supporting mods without yeeting drivetrain parts, the TLX-S will likely be back as a top contender for my next car, even with finding out Acura build quality is crap. But I'll be realistic as to what the car actually is, rather than making opposing defenses of what made me buy the car that literally contradict one another.

richii0207

It’s different users that are replying with their own responses. I wouldn’t generalize one crowd with the same opinion. I’m pretty sure the opposite arguments you are pointing out are from different people.

Now when one user says “X is faster, it’s the better car” and I reply with “If you want fast, get X which much faster”. It’s gold when their response is “That car is not my preference”.

Tesla1856

There is a lady in the neighborhood who drives a nice Legend . I'm probably the only one who notices or appreciates it.

The guy up the street drives an older Acura (I think it's a TSX). He was out washing it the other day. I almost stopped to chat and take a closer look.

dmski

Never cited that as my main reason. I've owned BMW's in the past and may own again in the future.

leomio2.0

The overwhelming car offered up as being "much faster" but "not to my preference" is always the M3P, an EV, which many, myself included, aren't prepared to get behind quite yet. And from internet lore, Tesla seem to be one of the few premium car companies with worse build quality than Acura.