Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
09-26-2009, 11:20 AM
#2121
I think that was you. Look at this...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...gonew=1#UNREAD
I think everyone missed the last line in the quote. It's a tough crowd over there and they think 0w-20 is the best thing to ever come out so if you say anything negative, be prepared as I have.
It would be interesting to hear your teardown results. In fact, I'm very interested in what you've found on stock J32s on a 20wt. I've had mine on a 30wt since it's first oil change. I've never torn into one so real world experience would be a nice change from all the theories over there.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...gonew=1#UNREAD
I think everyone missed the last line in the quote. It's a tough crowd over there and they think 0w-20 is the best thing to ever come out so if you say anything negative, be prepared as I have.
It would be interesting to hear your teardown results. In fact, I'm very interested in what you've found on stock J32s on a 20wt. I've had mine on a 30wt since it's first oil change. I've never torn into one so real world experience would be a nice change from all the theories over there.
09-26-2009, 02:16 PM
#2122
Team Owner
I'm agreeing with you. I've had similar results in the GN and they blasted me for that. Mine were with 20w-50 vs a 10w-30 but same concept.
My biggest problem is I believe the 20wts were made only for fuel economy at the expense of engine wear.
My biggest problem is I believe the 20wts were made only for fuel economy at the expense of engine wear.
09-26-2009, 02:42 PM
#2123
Team Owner
^ they should change your user name to "knowledge". You have consistently proven that your user name is the real definition of sarcasm or irony.
Ive been helping my uncle built his car part time for some time now and almost every point you make is like another chapter in "engines for dummy's". I though i knew my stuff but obviously its not enough.
Ive been helping my uncle built his car part time for some time now and almost every point you make is like another chapter in "engines for dummy's". I though i knew my stuff but obviously its not enough.
Thanks! Like I said, I only know it because I've screwed so much stuff up. I've put the top rings on upside down and ruined the new block, pistons, and rings. I've blown the crankshaft and torque convertor out of the engine and trans and popped a rear tire when I ran over the pieces. That was expensive, new engine, convertor, and trans and tire. I learned the value of a good tune at that point. I degreed the cam wrong (a pushrod engine is as easy as it gets) because I had a hangover and bent all the intake valves on my new engine.
09-26-2009, 03:38 PM
#2124
^LOL, done my share of that stuff too, doesn't it make you want to kick yourself when you screw up and flush a couple hundred or thousand worth of parts, not to mention the time.....
09-26-2009, 07:03 PM
#2125
Three Wheelin'
wear wont show during testing, and even for a while down the line, enough time after cars are outta warranty.
its all about the CAFE, and you know that
09-27-2009, 08:35 PM
#2127
Team Owner
thats not a problem at all...no matter what the 20 wts were made for...at least the simple fact of manufacturers recommending that for their engines, Honda being one of them, it is the core reason why they do that to begin with.
wear wont show during testing, and even for a while down the line, enough time after cars are outta warranty.
its all about the CAFE, and you know that
wear wont show during testing, and even for a while down the line, enough time after cars are outta warranty.
its all about the CAFE, and you know that
One thing is for sure, when the turbo goes on, mine will either stay with the Redline 10w-30 since it protects and has a HTHS like most 40wts or do a 10w-40 in the summer and 10w-30 in the winter. The J32 and most Honda engines were spec'd for a 30 and 40wt in other countries anyway.
09-28-2009, 09:08 AM
#2128
Burning Brakes
John is located in nj I can have him do installation for u or even a& g auto in Irvington Newark nj area .. And I'm sure there are shops in by also I just gave you those two name because there afffiliated with jandr...pm me if u need more info
09-28-2009, 09:58 AM
#2129
Burning Brakes
I'll post Dyno sheets up later or tommorow but on Friday we went up to 10.5 lbs of boost which brought us up to 479whp & 470 lb tq no water injection and pump gas , my only problem now is our clutch package thats been made thru competition clutch isn't completed as yet our setup was originally designed for 350 hp which isn't slipping but we know with a full clutch package and flywheel we would be better off ...
09-28-2009, 10:03 AM
#2130
Burning Brakes
Our knOck box was delayed so we didn't recurve it Friday but fortunately we have recieved a tracking number , and delivery date is thursday so we will be installing it on Thursday I'll keep updating as we progress....
09-30-2009, 11:30 AM
#2133
Burning Brakes
^^^^^^You read right and the knock box isn't installed yet it will be in on Friday , clutch itself isn't slipping but like Opel mentioned a while back pressure plate doesn't have the clamp force way foo soft ,now we know we have to go with a a stronger mount we only have 60 in right now after 2 wrong delivered mount kit from innovative and then to tell us they don't have any Tl mounts in stock excellerate had the last set of mounts which were 60a .. Now we need a 90 or better .
09-30-2009, 12:02 PM
#2134
Team Owner
Way to go! The hp is great but I really love the torque numbers. What's traction like at this level?
09-30-2009, 12:14 PM
#2135
^^^^^^You read right and the knock box isn't installed yet it will be in on Friday , clutch itself isn't slipping but like Opel mentioned a while back pressure plate doesn't have the clamp force way foo soft ,now we know we have to go with a a stronger mount we only have 60 in right now after 2 wrong delivered mount kit from innovative and then to tell us they don't have any Tl mounts in stock excellerate had the last set of mounts which were 60a .. Now we need a 90 or better .
09-30-2009, 12:42 PM
#2136
Burning Brakes
whats that u lol ihc there's none till end of second into third and I still spin third but were going to setup the car properly drag radials ect ksport full coilover right after the holiday ........
10-01-2009, 12:43 PM
#2139
Three Wheelin'
what kinda tires are you on? i have a feeling, once u get some good street tires, ur gonna feel that clutch more lol.
10-01-2009, 06:41 PM
#2144
Team Owner
LOL. You hit the factory hp numbers at 3,500rpm and factory torque at 3,000rpm. That's a nice usable powerband.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
10-01-2009, 06:56 PM
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LOL. You hit the factory hp numbers at 3,500rpm and factory torque at 3,000rpm. That's a nice usable powerband.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
this is going to be me on sunday........ I lost a race to a car that didnt leave third gear. lol
10-01-2009, 11:17 PM
#2147
Burning Brakes
LOL. You hit the factory hp numbers at 3,500rpm and factory torque at 3,000rpm. That's a nice usable powerband.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
but ill make an in car video pull over the weekend ,,running it without slicks is gonna be useless at this power level,.. and we are getting dog cut gears for the car by june well be at 700 with tranny and a fully built motor ....
10-01-2009, 11:48 PM
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^^^ dude i wanna take the time out and say 
i remember when banelba started off the thread and got bashed !!!! over the time you guys have proved that TL has a whole lot of potential in the horizon which we seek !!!
i remember when banelba started off the thread and got bashed !!!! over the time you guys have proved that TL has a whole lot of potential in the horizon which we seek !!!
10-02-2009, 01:48 AM
#2149
Three Wheelin'
LOL. You hit the factory hp numbers at 3,500rpm and factory torque at 3,000rpm. That's a nice usable powerband.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
By 4,000rpm you're making more power and 140lbs more torque more than most supercharged TLs.
You could race a stock TL and not have to shift above 4,000rpm to destroy it.
Are you rolling along in 3rd and then punching it? If so, that turbo looks like it has excellent spool characteristics. In my experience they spool faster in real life than on a dynojet unless the owner knows how to properly load it down for a turbo car which most don't. That thing needs load to spool.
if set up right, that should shift the numbers over another 400 rpm or so...not that its bad as it is...its freaking awesome, but factory power would be around 4000 rpm...
also, i dont see vtec engagement, and that thing, always leaves a mark on the line, at least it did for me... take a look at my old graph, at 4000 rpm...by the way, im not questioning its authenticity...just wondering, cause if its just a simple powerband shift on the graph, then it would peak at around redline
10-02-2009, 07:18 AM
#2151
Burning Brakes
Think it's fair to say if your comparing your graph to mine it's going to be totally different ,I should be making power early turbo was bought with a specific and precise size so we wouldn't be waiting on this thing to spool , automatically I expect power band to shift evenmore as we go up in boost pressure more boost turbo wakesup even earlier , turbo is rated up to 800 hp witin effeciency range so 6 psi it spools but imagine what 15 psi will do...
10-02-2009, 07:32 AM
#2152
Safety Car
Rodney,
Just a suggestion here, so please take it as such.
Opel is right. We are not doubting the truth of what we are being told. But that graph is whacked. Please find someone else to prepare your graphs in the future.
Rodney, you *do* have a "case act" happening here. Everything that you have done is top notch. But, whoever is doing your dyno graph preparation is giving this project a black-eye.
I notice this exact thing a month (or so) ago when that first dyno graph was posted. But, I "played nice" and said nothing.
Here is the bottom line. The *very first* thing that I do when I see a dyno graph, I check to see if the HP and TQ lines on the graph intersect at exactly 5252 RPM. The two lines must intersect at 5252 RPM by definition. There is no way around this fact. Simple math.
If the lines fail to intersect at 5252 RPM, that graph losses all validity with me and the graph is suspect.
Just a suggestion here, so please take it as such.
Opel is right. We are not doubting the truth of what we are being told. But that graph is whacked. Please find someone else to prepare your graphs in the future.
Rodney, you *do* have a "case act" happening here. Everything that you have done is top notch. But, whoever is doing your dyno graph preparation is giving this project a black-eye.
I notice this exact thing a month (or so) ago when that first dyno graph was posted. But, I "played nice" and said nothing.
Here is the bottom line. The *very first* thing that I do when I see a dyno graph, I check to see if the HP and TQ lines on the graph intersect at exactly 5252 RPM. The two lines must intersect at 5252 RPM by definition. There is no way around this fact. Simple math.
If the lines fail to intersect at 5252 RPM, that graph losses all validity with me and the graph is suspect.
10-02-2009, 07:43 AM
#2153
Safety Car
^^^ BTW, When I said "Opel is right", I meant in so far as that is a fishy looking graph. Anyone that knows how to properly prepare a graph would cringe at that graph posted.
I did *not* mean to comment either way about the vtec engagement. Just the graph in general is the issue with me.
I did *not* mean to comment either way about the vtec engagement. Just the graph in general is the issue with me.
10-02-2009, 09:06 AM
#2154
Burning Brakes
^^ hey Im never one not listen so what I'll do is join the dyno challenge on Sunday that way I have a graph from somewhere unrelated to developement of kit and post that graph ..
in my hand
10-02-2009, 09:28 AM
#2157
Team Owner
Looking at it, it looks like it does cross at 5,250 but the graphs are done is a weird way.
10-02-2009, 11:29 AM
#2160
Burning Brakes
Guys if there's a problem please let me know and I'll get it fixed , like for instance the dyno graph if there's doubt or error which there shouldn't be I make the runs then print them out ...so I woundnt know how to prepare them or what seems to be the issue please explain were all here to learn