madtraction39

Nice..that makes for a pretty big powerband...lot of wheel spin though.

I hate cars

Definately. Torque and hp are nearly equal. Should be very usable without the usual mandatory downshifting of many turbo cars.

madtraction39

I'm just waiting to see it on a few more cars to see it's reliability. I'm all in once the funds come in.

WDPhead

what will the 1/4 time be for an auto??

Majofo

10.8 on DR's.. trapping in the 130 mph range..

04accordcpe

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heres one pic. counter shaft gears were completely sheared right off. main drive gear looked the same too
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you think dipping the gears in zinc coating will sturdy things up a bit? just a thought

Majofo

^

Majofo

btw.. that looks like the mainshaft not countershaft. If so, then I guess the 2nd gear ate it.. .. also a zinc coating may add to the gear thickness / react with the MT fluid additives which may cause more damage than good ..

I hate cars

Time to replace them with straight cut gears and enjoy the nice sound.

I wonder if the gears are the weak link or if the shaft is flexing??

Can you drive around this by shifting softly, does it happen on the shifts or will it do it with the car rolling in gear with the clutch already engaged?

Opel

that would be from banging the gears,....usually from a harsher clutch...and u can drive around it shifting slowly.... the tranny isn't THAT weak. it has taken my abuse. you could pretty much break any tranny..... the harshest for this tranny is shifting from 1-st to 2nd, but i dont see a point in grinding through the shift, and banging it like there's no tomorrow, at full throttle shifts.

Majofo

hmm.. it would be interesting to see the bearings as well..

04accordcpe

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this was out of my original transmissio, which suffered the most damage. its never seen anything but a stock clutch kit too, so you cant blame on harsher engagement from an AM kit. i never ever bang through the gears, unless i was at the track. my thing is, i LOVE stomping in first gear at around 3k rpm and even 2nd gear arouind 4k rpm for bursts of speed. the scary thing is, none of my transmissions gave me any type of warning signs of failure. it gave out on me after coming out of a right turn and stomping on it right around 3-4k rpm. thats when i heard a fast tapping noise that turned into a "kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk" as i slowed down as i turned into a shopping plaza driveway. then my car just stopped and locked up on me and i couldnt go anywhere, even in neutral. it had to be dragged up the flatbed

my second one failed the same exact way, while WOT in first gear. 3rd one didnt actually fail on me while driving, but as i drained the gear oil while installing some brand new axles the gear oil smelled BAD! and i mean BAD!! like a dead skunk and had shrapnel floating around in it. so i drove her ever so gently until i found a good used low milage 06 accord tranny and had the lsd transplanted into it.

Majofo

It's amazing to look at that pic.. it's like the gear was made of lead.. it must have been pretty hot and heavy to do that type of damage / domino effect and all.. have you played around with different MTF's?

04accordcpe

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all i ever used was GM syncromesh and the friction modified version too, hmmmmm.....

Hi speed

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I am thinking cyrogenic treatment or custom made gears. I had the T-5 trans in my Mustang upgraded from being able to hold 350 hp and TQ to being able to hold 650 HP and TQ for both for $1000, Astro Performance in Florida I think. I am sure they could upgrade a TL tranny.

nfnsquared

Is this the turbo thread?

04accordcpe

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no it isnt, please search

oohh yes, my bad i meant main shaft :/ i got this pic from the archieves at v 6 p. ill try and take some pics of the countershaft if i can dig it up. i have a box full of gears, syncros and a couple of open diffs somewhere at my shop LOL.

I hate cars

Yes. And this is about how to make the trans hold up under turbo power.

KN_TL

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This is all good info if you're considering a turbo.....

I'm not sure if it's been asked, but are the 3G TL and Accords (6G?) the exact same units?

Majofo

I think you meant 7G AV6.. They're very similar.. the 7G AV6 has the J30, the 8G AV6 has the J35.. Base TL is the J32, Type S is the J35.. I think both went through a couple of head changes and both have precats from each bank.

KN_TL

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So the tranny's remained the same throughout the different engine types for manual transmissions?

Majofo

If not the same then very similar.. maybe different mounting points..

AT – 7G AV6










AT - 3G TL

Majofo

Here's the MT..

MT – 7G AV6









MT – 3G TL

pass427

well to date we havent tried any kits on the acords yet ,which shouldnt be too much differences,then again i could be wrong ,but for the moment were working on types, so probably after base and types gets done that will be next on the list......

KN_TL

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This was a discussion that 04accordcpe brought up about his eating MT's so I was just wondering how similar the two were. Looks like they're identical internally.

04accordcpe

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yes, the TL and accord trasmissions are the exact same internally/externally with the exception of the differential.

TL has lsd

accord has open differential

04accordcpe

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im 99% sure this kit will fit the 7th gen accord without any modifications whatsoever. my 04up TL supercharger kit fit perfectly, airbox and all with ZERO modifications.



i forgot to ask you, when they tuned your car, what rpm did they set your vtec engagement at?

Majofo

^ 04accordcpe.. when did you implant the TL powerplant?

04accordcpe

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august of 2007

Joey tl

Does anyone have more info on this turbo. Its a Precision PTE 61 turbo.
Is it ball bearing or journal bearing. What other turbos you can compare this with? or if some one can send me a link about the turbo that comes with the kit?

XLT_66

I just want everyone to know that I've read every post of this thread now. And I started reading it at work YESTERDAY!

Here's to reading Acurazine instead of designing robotic assembly plants!



I like the way this setup is looking. My TL-S is my daily driver and I would love to add this setup eventually. I am worried about longevity of this setup though.

Before I know it, my TL will end up just like my 12 second Ford Explorer...

I guess it's an addiction...

JandR

Good news for type-s owners were now ready to start with the type-s with help from a member here on the zine we've secured a loaner , but unlike base kits we must have 5 deposits to start producing type--s kits , please see official turbo deposit thread ...

Majofo

12 sec explorer? wtf? lol.. Another ATX'r.. check out the regional section and introduce yourself. If you get the turbo kit I'm down to help out.. I'll bring beer & steaks.

Joey tl

Power Rev Racing built the manifold so will we be able to purchase the manifold, piping, etc off them?

pass427

power to rev built kit for us that is correct,as far as u buying our piping kit that will not be possible ,u guys need to understand putting this kit together cost money & time which we have been shelling out ..........and we advanced this project into kit after a lot of members were interested ,as far as pricing im not sure how you would expect a kit to last with anything but quality and testing involved.......with that said all we can do is take our loses and produce kits for those who have stick with the project and ordered our kits...

KN_TL

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Anyone who would have thought differently just doesn't get it. I hope you weren't taking my question about selling the custom parts as part of this thinking.

I was asking that you include the overhead/R&D plus the money you would have made on the over the counter items. I was thinking of the cheapest get it now cost and expected I would end up paying more in the end since I would likely pay full retail for the remaining partsl. I just didn't want to miss out.

In the end, I was able to figure something out so I am glad you didn't say yes

pass427

[QUOTE=KN_TL;11215183]Anyone who would have thought differently just doesn't get it. I hope you weren't taking my question about selling the custom parts as part of this thinking.

no not all just for the general complaints we get about price ,weve done every single calculations and if we could have lower the price it would have been done ,but as far as gearing my comment to you would be totally unproffesional plus we even included shipping into price also.....

Joey tl

Pass427 we all know you put alot of time and money. We all appreciate what you acomplished. You build the first turbo charged 3 gen TL, Thank You. All I'm asking is for more info on your kit. If i'm going to spend $5799.99 + exchange rate + duty fee + shipping to Canada I want to know everything about this kit, ok not everyhing but the important stuff.

What kind of turbo (specs), type of fuel pump, injectors, manifold, how difficult is the install etc. Things we should know when purchasing a kit.

I really what this kit but I'm not buying this blindfolded. I hope you understand my point of view, I dont want to piss any one off.

Once again you have done an excellent job with this project and I respect what you have done for us TLers.

Thanks

I hate cars

I'm not sure what you're wanting.

I'll explain..... You know the turbo is a PT61. You can google the rest if you like. But that's not important because you've seen the dyno graphs so you know it spools very well at a low rpm and makes plenty of power up top. They obviously did their homework in the sizing of the turbo so I'm not sure what you expect to gain from the "additional specs".

Exhaust manifold or should I say exhaust plumbing is completely custom and just like any other turbo exhaust on a V6. It's a pipe from each side of the engine merging at the turbo to feed it, exiting the turbo with a 3" downpipe dumping into the exhaust under the car at the stock 3rd cat location. This is all in this thread. Again, irrelevent since we know it spools great and makes the power up top.

KN_TL

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Hi Rodney/John,

There's another thread about the TB spacer and it looks like you've got one on your setup. Have you noticed a difference with and without it?