I hate cars

LOL. Or a Veyron.

Majofo

I bet he has the Veyron on his headboard / ceiling.. so he has something interesting to look while getting banana... .. lol..

TheChamp531

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Haha just because where I live all I see are those vette, wanna beat one and my uncle told me he would help me only problem is he just bought two old muscle cars, super nova and another camaro so Im trying to learn the basics from him

ZR1 is one and done 1000hp TL here I come lol

Opel

That's why I said what I said...from the pics I can't tell, and also haven't found anywhere, where Pass may have mentioned using both cylinder banks to spool the turbo..from the pics I see the front only...and if that's true, it doesn't come as a surprise..ppl do this kinda stuff..but I strongly disagree with it regardless of the fact that they might make it work and last.

Opel

Damn I'm late on the posts lol... That's what u get from posting from a phone...talk about addictions lol

Majofo

Pass mentioned his feed is from the third cat so it's spooling from both banks.

TheChamp531

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Lol I'm using an iPhone for AZ it's a pain in the ass to type

Opel

That's when they said they'd have the turbo sit underneath the car, in place of 3d cat..
But that's not how its done...and also there's a clear pic of the pipe going from front bank, sideways in front of the radiator, to the turbo manifold, and then the 3" downpipe shooting down, right under..

Having both dowpipes (that's what I call the cat deletes)run down, and underneath the car all the way to 3d cat, and route a pipe back up in the engine bay, then another 3" back down... Doesn't make sense

Opel

Yeah touch screen sucks for typing. Get a turbo typing kit rofl like an external keyboard...2.5" exhaust will do fine for that ... The iPhone said to the Blackberry..iSuck lol

Majofo

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Opel

That's just the downpipe coming off the turbo, which runs to the rest of the exhaust

I hate cars

I've never seen the plumbing but I'm sure the two banks merge at or near the turbo. Having them come down to the 3rd cat location, merge, and then back up to the turbo would produce lots of turbo lag. Intercooler piping isn't that important, but it's very important to keep exhaust piping as short as possible for lag.

In that picture, I'm not sure if we're looking at the 3" DP or the rear bank feeding the turbo.

Just to make it easier in the future, a downpipe is the pipe coming from the turbo and dumping into the catback exhaust. Years ago, downpipe was a term reserved only for turbo cars and others starting using it for many different things.

Majofo

my bad.. I thought he was saying both.. In terms of turbo lag would there really be that much lag if the feed had to stretch that length or are we talking less than 1-2 sec.

I hate cars

If you're talking about taking it down to the 3rd cat area and back up, it would be a noticable difference. The less exhaust volume the better. It's hard to say but it could increase lag by 2 seconds which is a lot. What it really hurts is transient response. The car will feel slower even if peak numbers remain the same. It just won't be as fun to drive with the lag and will be very soft on the bottom end. Downshifting will have to be done more often. On a good setup, turbo lag is a thing of the past. Most systems have about a 1-2 second time to full boost.

I actually had an old set of headers that did exactly like what you describe and they stayed on my car for a month before I replaced them.

Opel

The lengths were talking about, stretching by going back and forth, up and down...ud spool up above 5000 rpm, with a good amount of load...possibly once u get into 3rd gear... But then it also depends on the turbo size...and u would need to keep pre-turbo exhaust pipe smaller, increasing velocity, to build some pressure

Majofo

It seems like a tight fit, but I sure hope he is spooling from the deletes. It must be a pain to route the first bank. I hope Rodney can give us some more info.. Thanks for the claro IHC & Opel..

Opel

^^^^^ that's if were talking of bring feeder pipe from 3rd cat to the turbo manifold which sits in the engine bay lol... And this is speaking insanity...but the way u explained it, its what it sounded like ...so that's what will prob happen if such thing was setup

Opel

This is what I see and think...pipes bent to the side right off the heads, rather than running down..merged to the turbo manifold, 3" downpipe right off the turbo, turning just below the front bank feeder..runing down, bent towards the back, same route as stock J-pipe under the oil pan, connecting to the rest of the exhaust at the 3d cat

elkayem

How much power can the TL's 6spd tranny hold?

pass427

never had turbo underneath car...youre confusing us with banelba,and feeding off 1 banki wouldnt call that a turbo kit at all

Majofo

.. good to hear.

pass427

a member with an accord supercharged claims he goes thru them easy ,but i cant understand why weve went as far as 11psi and still no problems,only reason i dont have dyno sheet up it was street tuned,but from my experience i havent broken any yet and not tring to ...

pass427

theres a lot of developement went into this kit more than i ever imagined to spend ,but when i got proffessional help with this kit i had 2 choices spend now and get it right or be cheap and spend later those were the 2 options i got so of course i choose to spend now.........so as far as piping and routing it was thought out voted on and built to the best of our ability,which in returned produced a kit that doesnt even require u drilling the car to mount the intercooler or any other components ,..

Opel

Never said u did,champ .... Just post I've read, from whoever...I doubted u wouldve fed the turbo with just the front bank... We were just talking... I agree that its not the right turbo setup.. But ppl do that...ur way smarter than that and I'm glad... Btw, I never got the chance to congratulate you on the setup... I can't say much but thumbs up

Majofo

Yeah Rodney.. stellar work. I really hope your reward is big. I'm saving up.. I foresee hordes of enthusiast considering the TL now..

pass427

hey thanks guys those pics are from the early stages ,but u guys can understand when i say some pics i have to keep under wraps .....but theyre off both banks merged the right way ,it looks like a tight fit but theres room to even take the fans out if u had to replace one...

Hi speed

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Here are the dyno sheets for the kit sent to me by Pass.

pass427

For all the local guys or people willng to ride down were having a dyno day on august 29th @ Aljaps performance, been put together with the help of silva types and myself and a few others , for more info check it out in regions south east Thera a sign up sheet or pm me for more info ... There's also a challange to see if there's a 4 cyl to take on Aljaps 807 hp 2006 si .....

pass427

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyrJPGIvYNw

found this laying around theres a turbo car next to me you"ll hear in the beginning ....

Majofo

^ I'd hate to see you or that beautiful TL killed / wrecked or in jail / impounded..

pass427

^^^^i understand ,and i think weve proven the t lwill hold weve done numorous test of the same caliber just to prove this kit isnt just slap togher ,ill get some normal videos of car doing daily duties ac on .........

I hate cars

Me too. Passing people in the next lane with a 100mph speed differential is a little risky.

Car seems to pull hard up top. It takes mine about 20 seconds to go from 140mph to 150mph.

pass427

^^now im just enjoying it,but those test were a must but now for the most part its safe to say its time to take it to the track any guesses on time

Opel

11.3 at 118 mph, on street tires with 27 psi inflation

chiefy

pass where in fl is the dyno day?

TheChamp531

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go to a airport strip or something

Majofo

you did 20-60 in ~4 secs.. 20-100 in ~10 secs... I'm not too concerned with the 1/4 time.. that roll is pretty impressive

Majofo

Member since 2002 and this is your 2nd post... lol.. I can't remember my password for my computer if I'm away for more than a week.

madtraction39

That would be nice, but I think the car is too heavy for that number. The mph will be up there, but on street tires..you're probably going to see low 12's. Just my opinion based on experience around the strip. Good luck though! Btw...I'm glad someone did this and I'll be in line for the final product.

Opel

i know i went extreme on the timing lol.... just trying to keep good spirits high... but...it was supposed to be somewhat funny...saying low 11s with 27 psi on street tires lol...come on