2010 TSX - V6 engine confirmed
02-06-2009, 02:36 PM
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The 80% improvement is as subjective as the 100% from the first gen. Trying to argue that number is just plain retarded.
As for size, any bigger would be definite step backwards. And clear lenses for the lights, who the fuck cares about that? That's about as stupid as saying 18 inch factory wheels are a make or break item. You seriously need to stop projecting your opinions as though they were facts.
As for the rear brakes, they should put vented ones on only if needed. Seeing how the solid discs don't quite seem to be up to the task of dissipating the heat generated stopping the lighter I4, I suspect we'll see heavier rotors all around on this version. Whether the rears will be solid or not depends on what the engineers decide. Doing it just because Nissan does is dumb. Are you afraid some one is going to look at your car and say "solid rear rotors, tsk tsk, Nissan would never do that" I'd rather have the lighter rotors if they're sufficient.
As for size, any bigger would be definite step backwards. And clear lenses for the lights, who the fuck cares about that? That's about as stupid as saying 18 inch factory wheels are a make or break item. You seriously need to stop projecting your opinions as though they were facts.
As for the rear brakes, they should put vented ones on only if needed. Seeing how the solid discs don't quite seem to be up to the task of dissipating the heat generated stopping the lighter I4, I suspect we'll see heavier rotors all around on this version. Whether the rears will be solid or not depends on what the engineers decide. Doing it just because Nissan does is dumb. Are you afraid some one is going to look at your car and say "solid rear rotors, tsk tsk, Nissan would never do that" I'd rather have the lighter rotors if they're sufficient.
02-06-2009, 03:14 PM
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Yes, the % improvement was subjective. I thought that was a given.
To my mind the V6 goes a long way, not only because it's faster, but because it's leisurely faster. The new styling is like icing on the cake, and represents a statement from Honda that they care about people like us. After killing the RSX and fattening up the TL it looked as though they were telling younger buyers to fuck off.
As far as that stuff about funky brakes and what not; they're pretty far removed from the driving experience and the aesthetic experience.
To my mind the V6 goes a long way, not only because it's faster, but because it's leisurely faster. The new styling is like icing on the cake, and represents a statement from Honda that they care about people like us. After killing the RSX and fattening up the TL it looked as though they were telling younger buyers to fuck off.
As far as that stuff about funky brakes and what not; they're pretty far removed from the driving experience and the aesthetic experience.
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02-06-2009, 04:32 PM
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The 80% improvement is as subjective as the 100% from the first gen. Trying to argue that number is just plain retarded.
As for size, any bigger would be definite step backwards. And clear lenses for the lights, who the fuck cares about that? That's about as stupid as saying 18 inch factory wheels are a make or break item. You seriously need to stop projecting your opinions as though they were facts.
As for the rear brakes, they should put vented ones on only if needed. Seeing how the solid discs don't quite seem to be up to the task of dissipating the heat generated stopping the lighter I4, I suspect we'll see heavier rotors all around on this version. Whether the rears will be solid or not depends on what the engineers decide. Doing it just because Nissan does is dumb. Are you afraid some one is going to look at your car and say "solid rear rotors, tsk tsk, Nissan would never do that" I'd rather have the lighter rotors if they're sufficient.
As for size, any bigger would be definite step backwards. And clear lenses for the lights, who the fuck cares about that? That's about as stupid as saying 18 inch factory wheels are a make or break item. You seriously need to stop projecting your opinions as though they were facts.
As for the rear brakes, they should put vented ones on only if needed. Seeing how the solid discs don't quite seem to be up to the task of dissipating the heat generated stopping the lighter I4, I suspect we'll see heavier rotors all around on this version. Whether the rears will be solid or not depends on what the engineers decide. Doing it just because Nissan does is dumb. Are you afraid some one is going to look at your car and say "solid rear rotors, tsk tsk, Nissan would never do that" I'd rather have the lighter rotors if they're sufficient.
Now both 1G and 2G TSX trade in values have collapsed. and 2G TSX V6 will be more expensive likely in $4k to $5K with 18inch rims. and add to that limited quantities. so good deals will hard to come by. So any one trying to trade in for essentially same car should think hard about it as Acura is not taking generational jump in other areas.
02-06-2009, 04:44 PM
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I think your "essentially same car" claim is a tad contentious. And why the hell are you so hung up on the 18 inch rims? Do you honestly believe making the wheels one inch bigger is some kind of massive technological accomplishment? There are 24 inch wheels out there that would blow your freaking mind if that's the case.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
02-06-2009, 04:48 PM
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It would probably be advisable to hold off on buying the first of these cars off the line. From what we've seen from other launches it seems like they do some minor updates after about 6 months to smooth out some of the initial kinks.
02-06-2009, 05:15 PM
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SSFTSX shit talks the potential V6 on account of his already having 18" rims on HIS OWN TSX and then talks about a trade in hit, something which isn't intrinsic to the car itself. He either can't tell where he stops and the rest of the world starts or he's looking for anything he can throw at the TSX just to see if it will stick. Probably a bit of both.
02-06-2009, 05:59 PM
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So 280HP with little design cues here and there to differentiate it from the base TSX, according to TOV.. hmm.. If it comes with SH-AWD, i'm upgrading. Just one week left before we find out exactly what the V6 TSX will have.
02-06-2009, 06:23 PM
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I think your "essentially same car" claim is a tad contentious. And why the hell are you so hung up on the 18 inch rims? Do you honestly believe making the wheels one inch bigger is some kind of massive technological accomplishment? There are 24 inch wheels out there that would blow your freaking mind if that's the case.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
18 inch wheels do not make a break a car. Anyone can go out and buy their own 18 inch wheels, that in all likelihood, will look better than any stock 18s that Honda will put on the car.
02-06-2009, 07:13 PM
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I think your "essentially same car" claim is a tad contentious. And why the hell are you so hung up on the 18 inch rims? Do you honestly believe making the wheels one inch bigger is some kind of massive technological accomplishment? There are 24 inch wheels out there that would blow your freaking mind if that's the case.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
The V6 will be more expensive, every one here knows that. It is financially foolish to trade an 2G for the V6 but it's hardly insane. For some, the financial hit is justified. For you, it's not. It's that simple.
No car manufacturer give bigger wheels at same price as smaller.
02-06-2009, 07:48 PM
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18inch is not some majic number. 2008 TL-S lacked OEM 18inch as standard. Now if 18inch claim is true for TSX. Acura is going to charge $1k to $1.5k extra. So a person does not have option. The price is already embeded in car.
No car manufacturer give bigger wheels at same price as smaller.
No car manufacturer give bigger wheels at same price as smaller.
02-06-2009, 07:57 PM
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I'd be shocked if it didn't have an SH-AWD option for the V6. Acura is basically making that their standard feature these days.
Besides, anyone who has put a 2G TSX on a lift can tell you, it has the room for it.
Besides, anyone who has put a 2G TSX on a lift can tell you, it has the room for it.
02-06-2009, 08:16 PM
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I'm hoping for SH-AWD, but I have a feeling FWD is more likely. Considering that this model is launching only a year after the 2G TSX and Acura likely wants to keep its price down, it seems that SH-AWD may not be included. Hopefully, SH-AWD will be added with a MMC in 2011 or 2012.
02-06-2009, 11:29 PM
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That's true but also means that price is only difference of the two wheels. The accessory wheels cost $2000, but if we estimate price of the existing wheel being 1500 we can subtract difference and come up with only 500 dollar difference. That means upgrade wheel cost is insignificant. Even TL has wheel upgrade built into cost of SH-AWD model.
I merely pointing that 2009 TL FWD tech lacks 18inch. So only difference will be HDD navigation/push button start. with similar engine. Price should be pretty close.
02-07-2009, 12:29 AM
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02-07-2009, 03:18 AM
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Based upon their past assertion that they want a new product every 6 months, I predict we get the v6 for 2010 & then the SH-AWD @ a later date ... to spread out the introductions.
I am just happy that Acura is starting to offer options.
I am just happy that Acura is starting to offer options.
02-07-2009, 07:40 AM
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One reason the Acura's keep their residual trade in value so high is because of the limited price window variance in the offereing to begin with. Vehicles that have multiple packages will have a larger price spread. When the price window is greater than $4 to $5K from lower model to top model, the top model gets hit much harder in the residual. Why, because you will be told by the salesman. . . I have the same car (say yours is 5 years old) in the base that is $3K cheaper, people buying a 5 year old car are more price sensitive, which collapses the price spread.
That said, ask yourself, how well would have the TSX done if it only came out with the V-6 and no I-4????? I believe it would not have done as well. The price would have made it closer to to the IS/GS/CTS, all of which have RWD. I wanted a sport/luxery sedan with good gas milage, good value, good residuals, and a 6 speed manual. The TSX fit the bill. If the TSX offered only the V-6, I would be driving the CTS.
That said, ask yourself, how well would have the TSX done if it only came out with the V-6 and no I-4????? I believe it would not have done as well. The price would have made it closer to to the IS/GS/CTS, all of which have RWD. I wanted a sport/luxery sedan with good gas milage, good value, good residuals, and a 6 speed manual. The TSX fit the bill. If the TSX offered only the V-6, I would be driving the CTS.
02-07-2009, 08:08 AM
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02-07-2009, 09:23 AM
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She said: it's GINORMOUS!
I'm hoping for SH-AWD, but I have a feeling FWD is more likely. Considering that this model is launching only a year after the 2G TSX and Acura likely wants to keep its price down, it seems that SH-AWD may not be included. Hopefully, SH-AWD will be added with a MMC in 2011 or 2012.
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02-07-2009, 09:43 AM
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02-07-2009, 10:43 AM
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One reason the Acura's keep their residual trade in value so high is because of the limited price window variance in the offereing to begin with. Vehicles that have multiple packages will have a larger price spread. When the price window is greater than $4 to $5K from lower model to top model, the top model gets hit much harder in the residual. Why, because you will be told by the salesman. . . I have the same car (say yours is 5 years old) in the base that is $3K cheaper, people buying a 5 year old car are more price sensitive, which collapses the price spread.
That said, ask yourself, how well would have the TSX done if it only came out with the V-6 and no I-4????? I believe it would not have done as well. The price would have made it closer to to the IS/GS/CTS, all of which have RWD. I wanted a sport/luxery sedan with good gas milage, good value, good residuals, and a 6 speed manual. The TSX fit the bill. If the TSX offered only the V-6, I would be driving the CTS.
That said, ask yourself, how well would have the TSX done if it only came out with the V-6 and no I-4????? I believe it would not have done as well. The price would have made it closer to to the IS/GS/CTS, all of which have RWD. I wanted a sport/luxery sedan with good gas milage, good value, good residuals, and a 6 speed manual. The TSX fit the bill. If the TSX offered only the V-6, I would be driving the CTS.
Price gap between lower and higher model will be more in $8k to $10k.
02-07-2009, 10:47 AM
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EuroAccord is gaining popularity around the world. It seems Honda is going to invest more in the Car. In europe with all options its price gap is closing with Honda Legend.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/192...-in-australia/
The Honda Accord Euro (read TMR’s road test) raised its share by 21.4 percent over January 2008, and was Australia’s best selling fully imported medium sized car. The Honda Accord pulled out a huge 150.2 percent increase, and now holds 11.3 percent of the large car segment.
Honda Australia Managing Director and CEO, Mr. Yasuhide Mizuno commented, “2009 has certainly started well for us. Our two award winning Accords have come out of the blocks strongly, while the Jazz continues to attract more and more customers every month”.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/192...-in-australia/
The Honda Accord Euro (read TMR’s road test) raised its share by 21.4 percent over January 2008, and was Australia’s best selling fully imported medium sized car. The Honda Accord pulled out a huge 150.2 percent increase, and now holds 11.3 percent of the large car segment.
Honda Australia Managing Director and CEO, Mr. Yasuhide Mizuno commented, “2009 has certainly started well for us. Our two award winning Accords have come out of the blocks strongly, while the Jazz continues to attract more and more customers every month”.
02-07-2009, 11:40 AM
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Yeah man, I here ya. I just don't see Acura carrying two 6MT options with this car. I'm still holding out hope that there is SH-AWD in this car's future and that the 6MT for the new TL will come along with it.
02-07-2009, 12:52 PM
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As an 04 tl owner thats turned off by the hideous chunk of shit that is the 09TL I would consider a V6 TSX in a heartbeat providing there is a 6 speed manual available. If not I will just hold onto my 04 till something similar comes out...
02-07-2009, 03:02 PM
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02-07-2009, 04:09 PM
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Is that the Type S Euro Accord Tourer?
It looks so hot in this red color!!! What red color is this? Is it the same as the red that we get on the TSX? It seems deeper here. It's GORGEOUS!
I so hope that the spied crossover is really an Acura, not a Honda! If it's got SH-AWD, V6, and the Acura creature comforts and service, then I think I have found my next car!!! :-)
02-07-2009, 04:21 PM
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I hope they don't delay AWD for the 2011 model becuase if they offer a V6 for the 2010 I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WAIT.
BTW I like those type-s rims. They look more aftermarket-like than the stocks, which in turn look an awful lot like Mazda's wheels.
BTW I like those type-s rims. They look more aftermarket-like than the stocks, which in turn look an awful lot like Mazda's wheels.
02-07-2009, 09:39 PM
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Unless Acura upped both the TL and RL though....which IMO they should, but don't think they would anytime soon.
02-07-2009, 11:58 PM
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Okay, so...after getting the chance to drive my '09 TSX for a few hours now and far longer than test drives, I have to say that the 4 cyl is quite peppy and a very nice little engine (as I feel our '07's is). BUT...I could see the need for a little more power and a V6 may be just what the doctor ordered. I do think that Acura will need to do some other things, though, to really set the models apart, and of course this has my wheels turning b/c the TSX Tech is pretty loaded as it is. SH-AWD, different lighting, different grille...??? It's cool to think what could happen w/ this new model! I'm very excited to see what the future brings.
I really hope they don't make it w/ VCM, though, and I hope Acura doesn't go too overboard on the pricing.
I really hope they don't make it w/ VCM, though, and I hope Acura doesn't go too overboard on the pricing.
02-08-2009, 09:38 AM
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