(Cj)

The TSX doesn't need 18 inch wheels to look good (unlike the TL which seems to need 19 inch or bigger).

risc

They really should've called this new one TSX Type-S. Unless they're planning something else?

krio

on acura.com

http://www.acura.com/FutureVehicles....FutureVehicles

manda

Hmm, my mom is in the market for a new car and decided the TL was too big for her needs though she liked the power. I was able to talk her into considering the 2G TSX alongside the IS 250 she's favoring at the moment.

The V6 TSX makes things interesting for people like her, especially if she can hold off her decision for a little while.

JeffS

And how much weight did it gain?

blakura

:-)

JeffS

I'm guessing that will come MMC time as they Type S trims usually appear then and maybe the 6M too.

CarbonGray Earl

LOL, I didn't see it that way! I can't take credit, I was taking a line from the movie Swingers.

Colin

OMG, with the way people are whining, they'd only whine more if they called ti a Type-S!

darmok

If only there was another car that had the 2.4L I4 and 3.5L V6, so we could tell. Oh wait, there is!

The Accord coupe EX-L with the K24/5AT weighs 3366lbs. With the V6, it weighs 3569lbs. Like the TSX, the 2.4L has 17s and the 3.5L has 18s. The sedan only comes with 17s.

The current TSX 5AT weighs 3470lbs (!), so based on that I'd guess that the V6 weighs 3673lbs (!!). That's more than an Accord sedan V6. Throw in an extra 16lbs or thereabouts if you opt for the technology package.

(Cj)

FWIW, the Base TL weighs 3699lbs, so we're talking a 26lb weight difference .

thunderbt3

I don't think there are angel eyes. Theres a silver bezel around the HID lens inside the headlight assembly. I think they look like they're glowing because the exposure on the camera was open longer to get the light streaks in the background. The exposure was was long enough to collect enough light reflecting off the bezel to make it look like its glowing.

Fuel mileage for the '09 base TL is 18/28 with 280HP/254TQ.
Curb weight of the '09 base TL is 3699 vs 3470 in the AT TSX.
Maybe fuel mileage might be the same with the V6 in the TSX?

Colin

Maybe they'll stretch the gearing to trade some acceleration for fuel economy. IMO this would be a really good idea.

(Cj)

It'd be nice if it matched the ES350's stellar numbers

Colin

It doesn't have to, I'd imagine it will sell for 7-10K less.

(Cj)

Same base price likely. The "equally equipping" would make it a 7-10K difference. Anyway we're talking about fuel efficiency (or fuel economics depending on your Engrish ). Thats more determined by weight and engine than price class. The TSX and ES will be about the same weight and the engine specs are also close. I think the V6 TSX could match the ES's EPA numbers if the gearing is adjusted.

ESHBG

Well I have to disagree w/ some of the pessimism here and I think that this is a really good idea, a step in the right direction and shows an awful lot of potential for the future. Now with that being said, do I think there should be just *a little* more thrown in to further distinguish the V6 and I4 trims? Yes, I do. But...if they do that than they have to up the pricing even further, which puts them dangerously close to competitors and competing too closely w/ the TL.

I like my I4 A LOT so far but depending on the pricing, how this V6 drives and what the MPG will be, I may be trading up much sooner than later. The I4 (AT) is really peppy but it is definitely missing a little IMO. I know for certain fact that I will be test driving one of these babies right when it comes out, though!

HeavyDuty

Good gawd, can I get an A-men? Yeah, right? No Type S or revised anything short of a trunk badge...and no 6MT?

"Um...put these 18's on there...and, uh, crap, um, stick a V6 badge from an Accord on the back...hurry, here comes the press corp."

Colin

I think Acura might be on the right track. Talk about performance but deliver luxury. Afterall, this has worked for the IS250.

This car is going to drop a huge bomb on the IS twins. Disregarding the manual (how many manual IS' are sold?), this is going to out muscle the 250 by 75 hp, probably cost a little less (comparably equipped) and offer more room. It will come in 25 hp less than a 350 and cost $10k (or more) less.

And FWIW I count myself as an enthusiast who loves 3 pedals. I've never owned an automatic in any of my 8 cars but we're taking business here. As much as it pains me to say it, the manual makes little sense. I say they should save it till they're ready to do a Type-S at MMC

wackura

Seeing as how it's not a type-s model I don't blame them for not offering MT. I wouldn't trade in just for a V6 and new wheels. I was looking forward to a restyled type-s similar to the TL-S.

If anything this looks like a rush job more than a marketing strategy. They did the bare minumum.

Craig-D

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but according to Automobile Mag, the V6 TSX is getting 20s standard.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and..._v6/index.html

Luchin

Seriously guys, what do you want? A TSX 6MT SH-AWD Type S Aspec with a V6 and factory 19" wheels. This model just came out, it wouldn't make any sense for Honda to put in a 6MT with SH-AWD and a V6 on a car that's barely in it's second year. There is always a bigger picture and who knows what that is for this car.

JD23

That's true, but a comparably equipped TSX is also going to be at least $5k less, which more than offsets any difference in fuel economy.

darmok

Um, no. They're morons who don't know the material they're writing about, just like most auto journalists.

SSFTSX

THere is no such thing as comparabley equiped TSX like A4 FWD. Unless you show me LED lights/push button start/blind spot monitoring/HDD navigation/14 speaker bang& olfsen/Rearview camera with lines indicator. Audi has options and packages that make it very different. And wait untill 2010. There further things coming down the line in A4. Dont compare 2009 to 2010. Acura is adding years without adding new Technology.

JD23

I think some people don't consider LED lights/push button start/blind spot monitoring/lines indicator for rearview camera options worth thousands of dollars extra. I sure as hell don't. You may consider those options worthwhile, and that's your prerogative.

You also forgot to include Audi's award winning reliability.

darmok

Shh, don't mention that. And definitely don't ever suggest that it costs more to build a reliable vehicle than an unreliable one.

SSFTSX

why not. Every one wants Advanced key with push button start. why take key out of pocket and lose it some where? Isnt it luxury?. What about ACC?. Audible sounds for parking. THere hell alot of differences. Just NVH on different level at higher speeds.

(Cj)

Audi's reliabilty is improving actually. Check out CR. It's no where near as bad as it was a decade ago

(Cj)

The point is things like this should be offered on a true luxury car (since these ARE luxury items) and Acura offers NONE of these things on TSX (and very few on TL or RL).

valeratj

Thanks spurfan and krio !

darmok

Any word on new colors for '10, especially Milano Red? Colin?

mg7726

that's b/c this car doesn't deserve to be called a type-s! who buys a type-s with an Auto, or offers it w/o a 6MT???

mg7726

it still doesn't come with the reliability package!

(Cj)

, that would be a hilarious package! Audi reliabilty aint that bad, although it's still not like the Japanese.

JD23

I guess we have different priorities, as I don't care for push button start unless it is free, which it obviously is not. Given the terrible economic situation, Acura's strategy of offering less luxury items and significantly undercutting competitors in price with the V6 TSX may be successful.

JD23

I've been hearing for years that Audi reliability is improving. I would like to see them make reliable cars for a sustained period before proclaiming that they've overcome their durability issues. Honestly, the electrical systems in older Audis may have been designed in a freshman electrical engineering lab.

SSFTSX

Acura has added V6 and 18inch Rims as standard. This is pretty close to what Standard Luxury has now a days. 18inch Rims are only point of interest. Funny thing is EuroAccord type S got clear indicator lense. but for US model they havent change anything. In next 12 months competition at this price range will be different. BMW is adding 4cylinder turbo. Audi has to move to 270bhp. Performance and fuel economy gap will be increasing. Above $30k there better be options and packages in car.
definition of luxury car is going to change.

Baapo

I was really hoping Acura would make me regret my choice of the 4 cylinder TSX...but they didn't even come close...

They really needed to distinguish the V6 from the 4...

All they've done is slap on the rims from the Australian Euro Accord...ummm...and the V6 badge...

Why not give it a more aggressive look by putting on the...Euro Accord front under body skirt...standard duck tail spoiler...some interior elements...something...

SSFTSX

Its part of Prestige package not stand alone options. Why not Acura introduce 4cylinder 2.0 which is even lighter and more fuel efficient than 2.4L and add comprehensive luxury tech package of RL to it for price of 2.4 Tech. Thats the to increase the sales and attract the buyers. In Europe they do it. Smaller engine is not equal to less tech.