2010 TSX - V6 engine confirmed
05-29-2009, 01:10 PM
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That's always been a complaint I've had with the TL. I've found the fold-down rear set of my current car to be very useful on long trips.
05-29-2009, 01:36 PM
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Have you driven the G35? It performs well enough, but for all the chatter about FWD vs RWD, it didn't really put up performance that wowed me but the manual transmission on it sucked giant hairy donkey balls compared to nearly every MT I have ever driven. I could not live with that transmission on a daily basis it was implemented so poorly.
05-29-2009, 03:59 PM
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05-29-2009, 05:03 PM
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There is a structural compromise to cut that hole there. It is especially noticeable in side impact tests. Probably why most manufacturers are not inclined to offer it.
05-29-2009, 05:28 PM
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And yet the '09 TSX is able to ace the IIHS side-impact tests even with its structural compromise. I guess that says something very positive about that platform's strength.
05-29-2009, 05:35 PM
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It does, but they add some gussets under and over the opening to insure the side impact results they are looking for.
05-30-2009, 02:53 AM
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My 09 TSX is at the dealer for a bunch of issues - but they are keeping it a few days to resolve them all. They were nice enough to give me an 09 TL FWD base with 6K on the odometer. The engine is very smooth, has gobs of power and the transmission is butter. When downshifting with the paddles, you barely feel the transmission.
The TSX V-6 should really scoot...
The TSX V-6 should really scoot...
06-02-2009, 02:33 PM
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I don't want to get too off topic, but some cosmetic issues (broken buttons and knobs), trunk gasket issues, and XM/Speaker blown issues). I'll be posting in the Problem/Fixes forum when I get my TSX back tonight.
06-03-2009, 01:41 PM
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Let's see: V6 engine similar to base TL, 18" wheels and sports suspension that's not offered in base TSX or TL, probably summer tires and bigger brakes. It all add up... 6K!
But yeah, the difference between I4 and V6 Accord is only $2,300. The $3,700 upgrade better includes more stuff than the wheels and suspension tuning. But I can't imagine what else they could add that'll be meaningful.
But yeah, the difference between I4 and V6 Accord is only $2,300. The $3,700 upgrade better includes more stuff than the wheels and suspension tuning. But I can't imagine what else they could add that'll be meaningful.
06-03-2009, 01:51 PM
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Can someone remind me what the TL costs in the US?
And someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall hearing anything about summer tires or a sport suspension. I recall reading the suspension was revised. That may not mean 'sport'. That may mean revised for the added weight of the V6.
And someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall hearing anything about summer tires or a sport suspension. I recall reading the suspension was revised. That may not mean 'sport'. That may mean revised for the added weight of the V6.
06-03-2009, 01:57 PM
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From Acura.com
The V6 TSX will get 18 inch wheels, but I don't remember anything about summer tires. And I think Dom is right about the suspension....it was revised, but I don't think it's a sport suspension.
TL $34,9551
TL SH-AWD $38,505
TL with Technology Package $38,685
TL SH-AWD with Technology Package $42,235
TL SH-AWD with Technology Package and High Performance Tires $43,235
TL SH-AWD $38,505
TL with Technology Package $38,685
TL SH-AWD with Technology Package $42,235
TL SH-AWD with Technology Package and High Performance Tires $43,235
06-03-2009, 02:12 PM
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From the TOV forums
Is a V6 really worth $5,540 
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I just got this info from a dealer.. Yikes on the 2010 v6
2010 ACURA TSX - L4 5-SPEED AT MSRP $30120
2010 ACURA TSX - L4 6-SPEED MT MSRP $30120
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - L4 5-SPEED AT MSRP $33220
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - L4 6-SPEED MT MSRP $33220
2010 ACURA TSX - V6 5-SPEED AT MSRP $35660
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - V6 5-SPEED AT MSRP $38760
I just got this info from a dealer.. Yikes on the 2010 v6
2010 ACURA TSX - L4 5-SPEED AT MSRP $30120
2010 ACURA TSX - L4 6-SPEED MT MSRP $30120
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - L4 5-SPEED AT MSRP $33220
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - L4 6-SPEED MT MSRP $33220
2010 ACURA TSX - V6 5-SPEED AT MSRP $35660
2010 ACURA TSX-TECH - V6 5-SPEED AT MSRP $38760
06-03-2009, 02:29 PM
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deal breaker for me..
I will sink some money into my 06...which after having Hondata, new speakers and Tinting, I love dearly...not a single glich in 3+ years, comfort, looks, mileage, WHO could want more?
The 09 and its ugly snout (a matter of personal taste) and Ping issues, I could learn to overlook with 280 horses available, but not at 35K....the dealers probably will not come off of MSRP on the V-6 as they will be in short supply..
Maybe a future swap of engines? 2006 with 280 hp?
I wonder if they are using same exact tranny?:
The 09 and its ugly snout (a matter of personal taste) and Ping issues, I could learn to overlook with 280 horses available, but not at 35K....the dealers probably will not come off of MSRP on the V-6 as they will be in short supply..
Maybe a future swap of engines? 2006 with 280 hp?
I wonder if they are using same exact tranny?:
06-03-2009, 02:43 PM
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Also from TOV - 2010 Changes other than engine
From an Acura newsletter to dealers:
"3.5-liter, VTEC® V-6 engine, producing 280 horsepower and 254 lb-ft of torque
Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission (Although similar in design to the transmission available with the 4-cylinder engine, the transmission mated to the V-6 engine is more robust to handle the substantial increase in horsepower and uses different gear ratios to take advantage of the V-6’s abundant torque.)
Sport-tuned exhaust system with dual outlet tips
Upgraded charging system with a heavy-duty battery
Split five-spoke, 18 X 8-inch diameter aluminum wheels
Michelin Pilot P235/45R18 all-season tires
Exclusive suspension tuning with special rate front springs and recalibrated dampers
Expanded use of Electronic Control Mount (ECM) system to control Noise, Vibration, and Harshness (NVH)
Active Sound Control (ASC) noise cancellation system
Upgraded braking system (Special rear brake pads are used that deliver improved stopping power. In addition, the V-6 model makes use of a larger brake master cylinder, a revised pedal ratio, and a new brake booster to deliver more performance-minded braking feel.)
Revised front fascia opening for improved engine cooling
Strut system for easy hood opening
V-6 emblem on rear trunk lid
Easier-to-read Navigation screen with reduced glare compared to the 2009 TSX (Technology Package—also on I-4 model)
Look for more information about the 2010 TSX V-6 in the 2010 TSX Facts Guide, arriving in dealerships in early July.
"3.5-liter, VTEC® V-6 engine, producing 280 horsepower and 254 lb-ft of torque
Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission (Although similar in design to the transmission available with the 4-cylinder engine, the transmission mated to the V-6 engine is more robust to handle the substantial increase in horsepower and uses different gear ratios to take advantage of the V-6’s abundant torque.)
Sport-tuned exhaust system with dual outlet tips
Upgraded charging system with a heavy-duty battery
Split five-spoke, 18 X 8-inch diameter aluminum wheels
Michelin Pilot P235/45R18 all-season tires
Exclusive suspension tuning with special rate front springs and recalibrated dampers
Expanded use of Electronic Control Mount (ECM) system to control Noise, Vibration, and Harshness (NVH)
Active Sound Control (ASC) noise cancellation system
Upgraded braking system (Special rear brake pads are used that deliver improved stopping power. In addition, the V-6 model makes use of a larger brake master cylinder, a revised pedal ratio, and a new brake booster to deliver more performance-minded braking feel.)
Revised front fascia opening for improved engine cooling
Strut system for easy hood opening
V-6 emblem on rear trunk lid
Easier-to-read Navigation screen with reduced glare compared to the 2009 TSX (Technology Package—also on I-4 model)
Look for more information about the 2010 TSX V-6 in the 2010 TSX Facts Guide, arriving in dealerships in early July.
06-03-2009, 02:45 PM
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I will sink some money into my 06...which after having Hondata, new speakers and Tinting, I love dearly...not a single glich in 3+ years, comfort, looks, mileage, WHO could want more?
The 09 and its ugly snout (a matter of personal taste) and Ping issues, I could learn to overlook with 280 horses available, but not at 35K....the dealers probably will not come off of MSRP on the V-6 as they will be in short supply..
Maybe a future swap of engines? 2006 with 280 hp? I wonder if they are using same exact tranny?:
The 09 and its ugly snout (a matter of personal taste) and Ping issues, I could learn to overlook with 280 horses available, but not at 35K....the dealers probably will not come off of MSRP on the V-6 as they will be in short supply..
Maybe a future swap of engines? 2006 with 280 hp?
I wonder if they are using same exact tranny?:
06-03-2009, 02:49 PM
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Does anyone see $5,540 worth of changes? I hope it sells because that could potentially mean even more variations of the TSX down the road. And I have a suspicion it may sell solely due to how ugly the TL is.
06-03-2009, 02:57 PM
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The price is a bit high, but I'm still interested. I just can't get into the TL, the IS is too small, BMW 3 series, Audi A4, and MB C class too expensive and unreliable for me. Only other option is the G37 and I'm not crazy about it. So yeah....TSX is still at the top of my list. Might go with the I4 if need be.
The TL would have been the next logical choice for me, but I can't get over its looks. It's a real shame, because I loved the 3G.
The TL would have been the next logical choice for me, but I can't get over its looks. It's a real shame, because I loved the 3G.
06-03-2009, 03:10 PM
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I'm not in the market anyway but I'm intrigued to see what Canadian pricing will be like. An 09 Tech is already as much as a base TL. So a V6 may be 2-3K more 
06-03-2009, 05:22 PM
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Wow,that seems a little high to me. I want to know how this car is manufactured. I'm guessing that they ship the V-6 from Anna Mich. to Saitama for assembly, and then they ship the car back to the US? Are there still import tariffs as well?
06-03-2009, 07:50 PM
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Colin: Hi. I have two questions. 1. Are you able to confirm that the pricing on the V6 version is accurate? 2. Have you experienced the "pinging" that is discussed in another thread on this forum? Thanks.
06-03-2009, 09:01 PM
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Well if these numbers are accurate, this is quite stupid IMO. I almost think it would've been smarter for Acura to slightly LOWER the price of the 4 cyl and then put the V6 in a more respectable price range, which would accomplish many things: 1) increase sales of the I4 2) REALLY take a chunk out of the competitors 3) make the V6 a more attractive buy and almost create a bulk value buy mindset, "Hey for just a bit more, I get 'all of this' instead!"
For this price why would you even bother? The new TL has really grown on me and for this kind of $, that is what I would buy instead. I was really hoping that Acura wouldn't price the V6 TSX in a manner that had them competing w/ their own models, but if these numbers are true, that is exactly whay they seemed to have done...
For this price why would you even bother? The new TL has really grown on me and for this kind of $, that is what I would buy instead. I was really hoping that Acura wouldn't price the V6 TSX in a manner that had them competing w/ their own models, but if these numbers are true, that is exactly whay they seemed to have done...
06-03-2009, 09:11 PM
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No I can't find the numbers anywhere on our IN, doesn't mean it's wrong, it might have been a e-mail to dealer principals. And no, I don't have any customers commenting on pinging. Asked service and nobody recalls having any complaints.
06-03-2009, 09:18 PM
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You cannot lower the MSRP without destroying the resale values that are so hard earned. I was really hoping that the V6 would come in around the price of the 4cyl tech and the V6 tech around the price of a base TL. BUT look at the pricing for the IS350 and there might be some justification for TSX V6 pricing. I don't know, it still seem kind of high to me.
06-03-2009, 09:25 PM
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Didnt i forecasted V6 made in Japan is not good idea. Not for Honda and certainly not for consumers. I guess TL is so discounted that it is not worth selling.
At this Price they could have introduced diesel and there is market and tax incentive for alternative fuel vehicles.
At this Price they could have introduced diesel and there is market and tax incentive for alternative fuel vehicles.
06-03-2009, 09:30 PM
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06-03-2009, 09:40 PM
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It looks like the higher cost of manufacturing in Japan has driven the TSX V6 to approximately the same price point as the TL. I wonder if TSX sales will ever be large enough to justify manufacturing it in the US.
06-03-2009, 09:43 PM
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It has to be the cost of sending the engine to Japan and then the completed car back to the US. Either that or the pricing info is wrong.
06-03-2009, 09:53 PM
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here is a thought that makes marketing sense
drop the basic 34k TL line.....only available in standard awd 39k starting price
discontinue RL......who buys these anyhow?
The higher price v-6 TSX no longer competes with TL at 35K
Basic 4 TSX entry level vehicle at 29K
now you have 3 non-.competing line-ups and something for everyone...
discontinue RL......who buys these anyhow?
The higher price v-6 TSX no longer competes with TL at 35K
Basic 4 TSX entry level vehicle at 29K
now you have 3 non-.competing line-ups and something for everyone...
06-03-2009, 10:24 PM
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You cannot lower the MSRP without destroying the resale values that are so hard earned. I was really hoping that the V6 would come in around the price of the 4cyl tech and the V6 tech around the price of a base TL. BUT look at the pricing for the IS350 and there might be some justification for TSX V6 pricing. I don't know, it still seem kind of high to me.
06-03-2009, 11:15 PM
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They are currently running TSX incentives. and Honda or Acura has NEVER offered cash back to customers. That is a tailspin waiting to happen. Ask GM.
At first glance that makes a lot of sense. Then when you look at the profit to Honda, it makes more sense to keep the TL. Domestic production is always more profitable than Japan production. My thought would be to drop the base V-6 TSX, especially if its the same as the TL
At first glance that makes a lot of sense. Then when you look at the profit to Honda, it makes more sense to keep the TL. Domestic production is always more profitable than Japan production. My thought would be to drop the base V-6 TSX, especially if its the same as the TL
06-04-2009, 07:48 AM
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I guess they are thinking this price is acceptable since it's basically what the 3G TL cost. The TL-S was $38k as well, and this new TSX pretty much takes the old TL's place.
We can only hope that they haven't made a mistake, but judging by a lot of reactions here, that might not be the case. Acura vehicles still offer value for the money, but it is no longer a real big difference. Acura is clearly trying to move upmarket, IMO.
We can only hope that they haven't made a mistake, but judging by a lot of reactions here, that might not be the case. Acura vehicles still offer value for the money, but it is no longer a real big difference. Acura is clearly trying to move upmarket, IMO.
06-04-2009, 08:37 AM
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drop the basic 34k TL line.....only available in standard awd 39k starting price
discontinue RL......who buys these anyhow?
The higher price v-6 TSX no longer competes with TL at 35K
Basic 4 TSX entry level vehicle at 29K
now you have 3 non-.competing line-ups and something for everyone...
discontinue RL......who buys these anyhow?
The higher price v-6 TSX no longer competes with TL at 35K
Basic 4 TSX entry level vehicle at 29K
now you have 3 non-.competing line-ups and something for everyone...
As far as pricing goes...IMO if you can't do it right, don't do it at all.
06-04-2009, 08:39 AM
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Although it has more to do with the strong Canadian $ and insanely high Canadian car pricing.
06-04-2009, 09:08 AM
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The design team must have passed on some of that thing they've been smoking, to the marketing team!
06-04-2009, 09:18 AM
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That's one of the first things that came to my mind, when I saw that $38k figure. But with the TL Tech at $38k, it just doesn't make sense! And in my mind the 3G TL look more substantial than the 2G TSX.
The design team must have passed on some of that thing they've been smoking, to the marketing team!
The design team must have passed on some of that thing they've been smoking, to the marketing team!