wackura

... and that's how fit skis in the trunk space.

But eventually you infidels will die.

SSFTSX

Euro Accord added 180bhp diesel after Toyota did. TSX got 280bhp after Lexus got 306bhp. previous IS300 has 215 bhp engine so 4cylinder TSX was fine. at that time. Now development budgets are getting squeezed. so 7 year product cycle is not out of question as previous one was 6 year. For 2012 i am expecting comprehensive upgrade in tech package/Led lighting as by than New IS should be in showrooms and Honda always try to copy cat toyota with limited resources and later.

wackura

But they will cost several thousand more so who gives a fuck? The only thing that truely compares to an MMC TSX is a pre-MMC TSX.

vybzkartel

He can't help it. That's his drug, lol. He gets a high by saying stuff like that!

SSFTSX

Lexus do cost couple of grand more but they are the first to introduce new things from transmission to lighting to electronics. Honda atleast follow them later but not to the maximum.

LuvMyTSX

I'm also pretty sure that MMCs and FMCs only pertain to one particular country. The fact that the Euro Accord started selling outside the US has nothing to do with the MMC of the TSX in 2006 in the US.

wackura

Yeah, the MMC is timed for marketing reasons, it's not soley based on a manufacturing calendar. For all we know the TSX MMC is already planned and prepared and waiting on the shelf. Obviously if they release the MMC too close to the begining of the FMC they will have a stale product by the end. If they do it too late it will look like outgoing model dress up. Either way you'd sell cars.

wackura

And this has what to do with MMC? Struggling to find relevance are you?

(Cj)

I'm interested to see how the HS250 affects TSX sales. Sales should hold with the new V6 option though.

The Lexus IS250 will be redesigned soon, and if it gets a bigger backseat, it might really be a formidable competitor against the TSX.

SSFTSX

r u sure Japanese built export cars get updates at different time frame for different markets. They may not launched at same time in all markets but models are pretty identical. even the 18inch rim of Honda and Acura has same design.

wackura

I don't think the IS250 is as close a competitor to the TSX as people make it out to be. The current model is pretty far behind the TSX in terms of value. If you equip the IS250 the price skyrockets. Its V6 produces about as much power as the TSX I4 and yet gets much worse mileage, 26 highway. 0-60 is north of 7 seconds. The only thing it has going for it are its good looks. It's like a prom queen that's bad in bed. The new model will address some issues but I think it's too far behind to overtake the TSX in one pass.

wackura

Too little is known about the HS250h. All they have provided are pro's. Cons are sure to follow. Being that it's Lexus I simply don't believe it will be as cheap as some are claiming.

JD23

If Lexus maintains a five year lifespan for the IS, a new version should be released sometime in 2010 for the 2011 model year. This should be a solid year ahead of the TSX MMC.

SSFTSX

Design and well proportioned size of 2G TSX is far better than IS but IS have Lexus quality and well insulated ride with push button start and better customize option packages.
I think Honda will try to stretch current TSX upto 7 years to maximize profits from current platform.

wackura

Right, they will maximize profit selling a seven year old model whos first year's build will at this point sell for $7,000 on some Pakistani used car lot. You come off like an informed person until you type things like that.

I don't deny that the IS250 has a more refined interior but everything else about the car is a joke. It's slow and gets shitty mileage. Options dramaticly increase the price.

SSFTSX

I can forsee 2G TSX holding better resale value than 1G TSX in long run.
First sales are way off than 2003-06 period. Second future production cuts so less incentive for deep discounts unlike 07-08 TSX.
Third Less availability of credit. Those who really needs and like car are really buying.
6 year old TSX are still selling for about $12k but it is condition of oversupply.

JeffS

So why did you get the TSX instead of the IS?

dlee74

The back seat of the IS is a pure joke to all 4 door cars. That should be one valid reason.

SPQRSPQR

I think your last sentence is correct. The 2nd Gen launched in North America as the Acura TSX in early 2008; in Europe as the Honda Accord in March 2008; in Australia and New Zealand as the Honda Accord Euro in June 2008 and in Japan as the Honda Accord in November 2008. The Japanese got it last probably because they used the rest of the world as guinea pigs to sort all the problems before launching as a perfect defect-free car in Japan (lol!). But they're essentially the same car.

1st Gen and 2nd Gen are only 1st Gen and 2nd Gen respectively in North America only as the TSX is actually what the rest of the world has had for decades as the Honda Accord. I think we're up to the 7th Gen in the rest of the world.

(Cj)

All the IS needs is a few more inches of rear legroom and if Lexus delivers that for the next generation, I think the IS is going to be a perfect little sport sedan. The IS already has better finish than the TSX and G, but it lacks the occupant space that the TSX and G have.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Well, Lexus will also need to step up the driver engagement if they want to be able to compete with Infiniti. The IS is just not engaging to drive...

darmok

I don't know about that. When I looked at the IS I was not that impressed with the interior, especially for the extra money. Maybe if you get the real wood it looks more impressive but the base model is just a sea of drab (though very well assembled). Definitely has a very sexy exterior design though I'm not digging the changes on the '09s (Galant taillights? Yuck).

The IS350 is in a different league of power but I guarantee that the TSX V6 will be mostly competing with the IS250 AWD (especially here in Chi-town).

If Lexus steps up the power and adds a few more inches they're going to be competing mostly with the ES.

wackura

The IS250 does 0-60 in 7.9 seconds and the IS350 isn't offered in MT. We have very different ideas about what makes a perfect little sports sedan.

CL6

Anything but a Toyota is a good start.

L1StarTSX

Got a peek at the V6 TSX at the DShow, the paddle shifters remind me of my dearly departed '04 330ci. Im glad I held off on the new one, it will be nice to have that 280HP power finally. Looks like this is the last summer for the ol 04,

Eoanou

Anyone know if they are going to improve the brakes on the V6 models?

I would hope that if they are going to increase the curb weight and power output of the car they would equip it with better brakes, that is quite possibly the most important safety issue.

vybzkartel

They did.

wackura

I completely forgot about how much better the 2G brakes are versus the 1G. The 1G felt downright dangerous but in the 2G I just recently went from 35 to 0 in blink to let someone pass at a crosswalk. Where there was a serious problem before there is none now.

SSFTSX

Diesel premium is going to evoporate and diesel production deficit will be don by 2015. It is time to introduce TSX diesel in 2011.

dom

Probably a touch of exaggeration in that post I'm sure.

LukeaTron

I'd say the factory 1G brakes are a little weak and certainly not an aggressive setup but dangerous? No, far from it. I can think of a dozen other cars that I've driven with worse brakes and none of those were even dangerous. Bottom line, when you want your 1G to stop, it'll do it.

spurfan15

Yep, Diesel has been steadily dropping in price while gas has been climbing. After winter the price difference should be pretty noticeable across the country. Diesel being cheaper again and the coming onslaught of Diesels by the German makes (VW, Audi, MB, BMW) will definitely peek the curiosity of Americans this time around. It would be wise for Acura/Honda to get in the game early and have a nice position in the coming US diesel car market.

They need to grow a pair and release the Diesel TSX over here soon. I would definitely buy one as would many others, I believe. I'm honestly not interested in the massive V6 they're sticking in the 2010... I don't think it's that good of a match, I want a MT, and when fuel prices rise again, I won't want that engine. I'd like to buy a Diesel, but I don't want to buy German because I don't trust their reliability and don't like their inflated prices. Give me TSX Diesel or give me death! (Knowing Honda, I'll probably have to go with death)

CL6

U.S. refineries ship diesel to Europe and Europe ships gas to the U.S. It is unlikely that diesel prices will fall below or stay level to gasoline for very long. Also states tax diesel at a higher rate than gas so don't expect that to change.

Here's a good article on it:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/au...esel_ever.html

I don't know about BMW, but Mercedes has been doing very well in reliability:
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jun08/0...ity_Study.html

Also, their prices aren't inflated.

spurfan15

According to that article posted above a few US oil cos are upping diesel production, so things may get a bit better for diesel. It's still a good idea for Acura to diversify engine options and bring over the system they've already completely developed for the US market.

As for MB, you've got to be kidding me. Their reliability doesn't hold a candle to Japanese reliability.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-ranking_N.htm

Scion - 1
Acura - 2
Honda - 3
Toyota - 4
Lexus - 5
Infiniti - 6
Subaru - 7

Porsche - 19
BMW - 20
Audi - 22
Volkswagen - 25
Mercedes-Benz - 27

As for prices, they may not inflate them, but they tend to be really expensive. An Audi A4 or BMW similar to the TSX w/ nav would cost me around 40 grand, whereas the TSX is low 30s.

CL6

Chrysler killed MB reliability it will take a while for the products to reflect the changes since we dumped them. There are also many more system on a Benz to bring into the shop that Acura doesn't have... Multicontour seats, active suspension, superchargers, pano roofs, folding hard tops, folding soft tops, etc.

Prices are higher but some of that is you-get-what-you-pay-for stuff the rest does have to do with the fact that it is a "premium" brand. BMW has really increased prices much faster than Benz has.

You may be able to 'up' production a certain amount but as there hasn't been a new diesel refinery built in the US for something like 25 years there's not much to be done.

I'm not so sure diesel is really going to catch on here.

super4

just saw on the acura site the tsx will come with the 280hp v6, and since i dont have the patience to read through 27 pages of posts, can someone tell me will it come with AWD??????????? thanx.

Colin

^^No

jnc2000

Wow....

Here's the thing. Acura is proud of their SH-AWD system. Don't you think they'd be advertising that this "new v6 TSX" came with SH-AWD

shmork53

I am disappointed it is not coming with SH-AWD but think of it from Acura's point of view. Why offer everything now on the TSX and infringe on the sales of the 2wd TL. Give a couple years and SH-AWD will make it to the TSX, maybe longer then that. I just want the 6MT first. If Acura made a 6MT V6 SH-AWD wagon i would trade in my 2004 now, but that wont happen for a while. Patience is a virtue, those who wait will be happy they did. Just my

wackura

The public at large seems to not care for the appearance of the new TL. If they don't sell an AWD V6 TSX they might not be selling any V6 AWD at all.