Colin

It is doubtful the TSX will get pushbutton start any time soon. As for availability, we ordered the first batch of 2010s but only 4 cylinders. I believe this is June production with July delivery. If the V-6s are ordered next month, then expect Aug deliveries.

wackura

Does some big wig at Honda think "I know people want push button start and that even cheaper cars have this feature but I think it's stupid and I LOVE the nostalgia of turning car keys so we'll just remain in the dark ages." Is this how it goes down?

Inf123

Ya, I don't get why the TSX doesn't have this feature, It makes a car look more modern.

dom

Where's the nostalgia for the good ole MT?

I'm not too concerned with push button start but I am big on keyless/pushless entry. Although I understand they are one in the same. I'm hoping the MMC gets this feature.

nebt

Yeah, it would of been really great if it had both keyless entry and push start button. But I'm just wishing for too much here lol since it is already a great car.

23109VC

what I want to know is HOW MUCH a V6 TSX will cost vs the 4 banger???? i'm thinking of picking up a TSX....the 4cyl isn't bad, but if the price will be really really close, of course i'd get the V6, but if the price will be MUCH higher, it might not be worht the money.

anyone have any inside info on the pricing for a V6?????

vybzkartel

Since the Tech Pack 4 banger is $32,260, then I'd guess the V6 would(should) have a $1000 price premium for the base, and an extra $1500-$2000 for the Tech Pack.

Colin

I was thinking that a base V-6 would be similar or less than the Tech 4 cylinder. Then, plus the usual difference between base and tech. IMO, This would make a Tech V-6 very close the a Base TL price.

Type-S RPh

When you ordered your first batch, were there any new colors?

Colin

No, colors carry over.

aleks

Push Button IS Nostalgia, they were first used in cars in the 40s and 50s, went away and now they are back. Same with turning headlights

dom

I know most of you could care less about the Canadian market but pricing will be interesting. A Tech AT TSX, is already the same price as a base TL.....which means what? A base V6 TSX will cost more than a Base TL???

Colin

I wonder if Canada's import tariffs are different than the US? Maybe they tax cars from Japan heavily and Acura of Canada has no choice but to a) no offer the car or b) pass the cost on to the customer.

SaraWI

ok, ok...I admit that I've been gone from here for far too long and this post is going to make you guys go.."duh! what plant are you on??" but I just found out today that they are not going to offer the V6 with MT??!! WTF!!!!!!! Just when I thought I'd get over the butt ugly styling and suck it up just so that I could get my V6 wish, BAM...I get hit with that.

Damn, Acura, you had me at V6 but ya lost me again. Point me in the direction of the nearest BMW dealership..I may have to lose my lifelong "Honda fanatic" status...so sad...

SaraWI

planet even..I'm sick so give me a break on spelling..lol

Colin

The V-6 will probably be manufactured at about 20% of the regular TSXs. Before the current economic situation, TSXs were projected to sell 40,000 a year, but now, maybe 25-30,000 per year. This means there might be 6000 V-6s at best. Manuals typically sell around 8-10% of automatics. This means we'd be looking at about 600 V-6 MT TSXs. This means that the ~250 dealers would get 1-2 for the whole year.

dom

Not sure. But they'll have an interesting decesion to make.

dom

IMO, that number is low. I think the V6 will account for more than 20%.

Colin

Make it 30% and you have only 900. Make it 40% and you're at 1200. Even there it's only 4-5 cars per year, per dealer. IMO, just not enough to justify a production run.

thisaznboi88

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man what if they put the RDX motor in the tsx.. that would totally be bad ass.

dom

I can't argue with the numbers, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

What Honda can be absolutely sure of is 1 lost customer that is likely going to another brand. Small potatoes maybe, but -1 the same.

97AcuraCL

Just buy the accord Coupe ex v6 6spd if you really want the stick.

Unless you really need the space.

dom

Sure, its the exact same car

97AcuraCL

oh no its absoultly not...

belive me i hate the whole tSX i the same as an accord argument too... remember I had an 04 TSX at one point too.

All I'm saying is that the BMW's unles you're going used will be way more expensive when stocked with similar features of the TSX, and if you want the stick that bad, that a good alternative albeit with some compromise... is the Accord.

vybzkartel

Red text = sarcasm!

dom

Lets not forget that Acura felt the need to make an all new 6MT for the new TL. Using Colin's calculations their likely to only sell roughly a few k of those a year. 60K TL's sold a year (probably generous) / 7.5% MT = 4.5K.

Now my question is, does anyone know if the TSX (Accord) being sold in the reat of the world is getting the V6? Because if it is, they'll want an MT.

Colin

I think that Acura knows that if/when they move to a longitudinal engine, they can move this new 6MT to the Honda line. They needed a new transmission to handle the added output of our current engines and still be compatible with AWD.

As for Euro Accord and V-6 that's a real good question. I'm guessing the answer is no. They have the gas and diesel engines available there and that is probably all they need to be competitive in the class.

LuvMyTSX

I agree. With the taxes the Euros have to pay for engine size/displacement, I doubt they'd sell enough V6s there to be worth it. Not to mention the extra gas the V6 would take.

dom

No doubt they needed a revamped MT. I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have bothered. But if they can warrant the adding production costs for the TL, they should have been able to do the same for the TSX which is arguably sportier and has a younger buying demographic who would want an MT.

There should be an MT available with the V6. IMO They made a mistake. There is no arguing or trying to reason with that. I just hope they come to their senses and take their heads out of their asses and rectify the mistake for '11.

Colin

I disagree. They are being sensible. You cannot please everybody all the time and trying to do so only dilutes the product. Can you imagine if they caved in and added a AT to the S2000 or the GS-R? Obviously the flip side of the coin (ie changing an enthusiast product for the masses) but you get the point. I'd say the best to hope for is a Type-S version at MMC. This way the new tranny will have had it's chance to make a 'splash' with the TL first.

Colin

Forgot to add. Adding cost to the TL is easy because you can keep raising the selling price to compensate. Not so easy with the TSX because the TL sits above it. Not an answer, but just another thought...

dom

Dude, how deep exactly is that bag of excuses? Honda trains you well.



All your points are valid, there is no arguing that. But IMO sometimes you have to bite the bullet and take a hit to please some of your customers.

Being sensible isn't always sensible.

Colin

No cool aid, I promise. Thing is that this is not the time to bite that bullet. Maybe when things are better they can be 'frivolous' and indulge us. This is why I suggested MMC.

w3fly3

I don't think offering an MT V6 would dilute anything. Just the opposite. To say anything is being diluted implies the cars themselves would be weaker when in reality the ultimate car isn't being offered at all, the MT V6. The options we are left with are weak, and that's more in the spirit of dilution than anything.

For you as a salesman to have to explain to potential customers "you can either have the slower car that's fun to drive or the fast car that does all the driving for you" is to give customers convoluted lesser of two evils lose-lose scenario. I'm glad I'm not buying a TSX at this very moment because back when bought one this conundrum didn't exist and I was spared a headache and possible buyers remorse.

I wouldn't trade in my months-old I4 MT for a V6 MT if it was offered in 2010 but I will trade in for a 2011 type-s should they come out with one. Presentation matters, and to have it be essentially the same car vith "V6" on the trunk isn't very exciting. I liked what they did for the TL-S.

w3fly3

He practices on us in order to prepare for reluctant customers. What the customer calls a hole in the catalog the good salesmen calls a sensible choice by a sensible car manufacturer.

HeavyDuty

That thought did enter my mind when I first saw the CU2. I remember thinking "Well...it has always been a 2.4 which isn't much of a thrill, but it's not likely they'd change to an optional V6 because the TL seems to be the car for that."

JD23

During an economic collapse, being sensible is smarter than taking unnecessary risks. Given the small number of MT V6 TSXs that would likely be sold, it's very possible that the MT V6 TSX would be a money losing proposition. Sometimes it may be worthwhile to sacrifice some finances to placate the enthusiasts, but this is not the time.

Considering recent financial results, Honda's conservative approach is working. In the most recent fiscal year that ended in March, Toyota had a net loss of $4.53 billion, Nissan had a net loss of $2.4 billion, while Honda had a net profit of $1.4 billion. It's hard to fault an auto company that is making a profit, while multiple other companies are on the verge of bankruptcy, or at least having unprecedented difficulties.

Colin

I'm not practicing on anybody. Everyone can always improve in what they do, but I've been at it for almost 14 years. I don't need practice with this.

Adding a MT does not dilute anything, but my point was that if you try to please everybody, there is always a down side. People clamoring for their own 'favorite feature' usually means that someone else doesn't get something. It's all a give and take.

For example. If a MT was offered and its actually a losing proposition (money wise) as suggested by JD23, how would the automatic buyers feel if they were charged more to subsidize it? (Who is to say that this isn't already happening?)

This is not to say that I wouldn't like to see a manual as I can be just as selfish as the rest of you (wife and I only drive manuals). The difference is that I see that there are already 6 SKUs of TSX and the V-6 will probably add 2 more. On a car with it's current production rate, I think this is already too many.

dom

I had no idea that an MT was such an involved investment. You guys are acting as though they`ve never offered an MT and I`m asking for a 16 cylinder turbo. Its a transmission

Maybe I don`t have a good enough understanding of the business. But what I do know is that most if not all of its competitors offer an MT. To me, thats all that matters.

dom

Its easier and far cheaper to keep your customers than it is to earn new ones or try to get old one`s back. I don`t think that changes in poor economic times.