2010 TSX - V6 engine confirmed
#1281
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Originally Posted by Colin
Is that really all extra profit? I don't think there is as much additional profit as you might think. Here's why:
1) As Jeff mentioned, there are certainly currency issues at play.
2) Aren't there still duties and tariffs on vehicles imported from Japan?
3) I am 99% certain that the engine is made in Anna Michigan. This needs to be crated up and sent to Japan for assembly and then the whole thing shipped back.
If anyone knows differently on these points, please let me know.
1) As Jeff mentioned, there are certainly currency issues at play.
2) Aren't there still duties and tariffs on vehicles imported from Japan?
3) I am 99% certain that the engine is made in Anna Michigan. This needs to be crated up and sent to Japan for assembly and then the whole thing shipped back.
If anyone knows differently on these points, please let me know.
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Colin where are you getting Anna, Michigan? I believe it's actually Anna, Ohio buddy
Also, Acura has updated their website now to show the "2010" TSX. Basically, all they did was change the 09 to 10 and change the webpages around. Everything is still identical, not a single change, not even the pictures. The V6 is also not listed just yet.
Also, Acura has updated their website now to show the "2010" TSX. Basically, all they did was change the 09 to 10 and change the webpages around. Everything is still identical, not a single change, not even the pictures. The V6 is also not listed just yet.
#1283
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I don't think Acura needs to go crazy w/ cash back incentives and I can agree that there would need to be limits, but...why not move product and help to further define the trims? I'd be open to any suggestions with this but again, currently I think that the V6 TSX pricing is just not a wise move right now.
*Not to mention that the price of gas is quickly shooting up again. I think we could see a return to hysteria even at $3.50/gallon...people got used to the much lower prices and the economy is still churning very slowly, so who's going to pay big $ for a V6 that doesn't offer much more than its I4 counterpart or its much bigger cousin?
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Cash back is what kills resale values. So as Honda/Acura pride themselves on the industry's best resale values to sell their cars, cash back would be a big no no.
It's even posted on the main page of Acura's website now.
It's even posted on the main page of Acura's website now.
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Actually, it depends. This may come as a surprise to you, but every customer balks at every price. Shocking I know! (true insider info here). If someone insists on knowing why, it "is what it is", I'd probably share my thoughts, but unless raised, I doubt it's worth the time to justify. Bottom line: they'll know the price before they come in. If they objected that violently, they wouldn't come down.
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but...why not move product and help to further define the trims? I'd be open to any suggestions with this but again, currently I think that the V6 TSX pricing is just not a wise move right now.
who's going to pay big $ for a V6 that doesn't offer much more than its I4 counterpart or its much bigger cousin?
#1288
IS350 fuel economy is not worse than IS250 in real life tests. and its performance is far superior. 5speed auto. i dont believe it can match IS350 direct ignition performance. (under 5.4 sec)
Those who want to pay penalty for fuel economy will want to buy real performance improvement not nose heavy car. otherwise 4 cylinder is much cheaper to buy, run and own. no timing belt issue. and for real performance there is 335I/G37/IS350.
TSX was much better with $40K diesel with full Euro Specification like CMBS/ACC/LKAS. and that point it would be competing against $40K HS250 with all its electronics. I believe diesel can match 34 mpg combined economic of HS250h and beat it in performance.
Those who want to pay penalty for fuel economy will want to buy real performance improvement not nose heavy car. otherwise 4 cylinder is much cheaper to buy, run and own. no timing belt issue. and for real performance there is 335I/G37/IS350.
TSX was much better with $40K diesel with full Euro Specification like CMBS/ACC/LKAS. and that point it would be competing against $40K HS250 with all its electronics. I believe diesel can match 34 mpg combined economic of HS250h and beat it in performance.
#1289
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Info from TOV
3.5-liter, VTEC® V-6 engine, producing 280 horsepower and 254 lb-ft of torque
Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission (Although similar in design to the transmission available with the 4-cylinder engine, the transmission mated to the V-6 engine is more robust to handle the substantial increase in horsepower and uses different gear ratios to take advantage of the V-6’s abundant torque.)
Sport-tuned exhaust system with dual outlet tips
Upgraded charging system with a heavy-duty battery
Split five-spoke, 18 X 8-inch diameter aluminum wheels
Michelin Pilot P235/45R18 all-season tires
Exclusive suspension tuning with special rate front springs and recalibrated dampers
Expanded use of Electronic Control Mount (ECM) system to control Noise, Vibration, and Harshness (NVH)
Active Sound Control (ASC) noise cancellation system
Upgraded braking system (Special rear brake pads are used that deliver improved stopping power. In addition, the V-6 model makes use of a larger brake master cylinder, a revised pedal ratio, and a new brake booster to deliver more performance-minded braking feel.)
Revised front fascia opening for improved engine cooling
Strut system for easy hood opening
V-6 emblem on rear trunk lid
Easier-to-read Navigation screen with reduced glare compared to the 2009 TSX (Technology Package—also on I-4 model)
Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic transmission (Although similar in design to the transmission available with the 4-cylinder engine, the transmission mated to the V-6 engine is more robust to handle the substantial increase in horsepower and uses different gear ratios to take advantage of the V-6’s abundant torque.)
Sport-tuned exhaust system with dual outlet tips
Upgraded charging system with a heavy-duty battery
Split five-spoke, 18 X 8-inch diameter aluminum wheels
Michelin Pilot P235/45R18 all-season tires
Exclusive suspension tuning with special rate front springs and recalibrated dampers
Expanded use of Electronic Control Mount (ECM) system to control Noise, Vibration, and Harshness (NVH)
Active Sound Control (ASC) noise cancellation system
Upgraded braking system (Special rear brake pads are used that deliver improved stopping power. In addition, the V-6 model makes use of a larger brake master cylinder, a revised pedal ratio, and a new brake booster to deliver more performance-minded braking feel.)
Revised front fascia opening for improved engine cooling
Strut system for easy hood opening
V-6 emblem on rear trunk lid
Easier-to-read Navigation screen with reduced glare compared to the 2009 TSX (Technology Package—also on I-4 model)
#1290
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Actually, it depends. This may come as a surprise to you, but every customer balks at every price. Shocking I know! (true insider info here). If someone insists on knowing why, it "is what it is", I'd probably share my thoughts, but unless raised, I doubt it's worth the time to justify. Bottom line: they'll know the price before they come in. If they objected that violently, they wouldn't come down.
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Anybody heard any details on Canadian prices? I figured the Premium Package would come in at about $39000 and Tech Package at $42,500.
In regards to the $5500 increase...the general public interested in this car won't have a problem with it as those who are actually interested in this car will find that anything LOWER in price than the TL is a fair price, given the looks of the TL.
In regards to the $5500 increase...the general public interested in this car won't have a problem with it as those who are actually interested in this car will find that anything LOWER in price than the TL is a fair price, given the looks of the TL.
#1293
Racer
Just got my daily e-mail from Autoweek and it had a test drive of the V6. Just a short review. Acura listed the 0-60 time as a "conservative" 7.0 seconds. Autoweek seems to agree that it is conservative but they didn't test it. Other than that it seems like the suspension is still a bit soft but they liked the extra power.
#1294
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I'm very curious. The 4 cylinder Tech AT comes in $40,300. If we use the US model and add $2,400 to the base V6 compared to a 4 cylinder Tech we're at $42,700 for a base V6 and $45.7 for a Tech V6. I can't see prices being that high considering a TL with tech is $43.5. I hope your numbers are right.
#1296
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Springs are revised, but only enough to hold the extra 200 pounds. The front antiroll bar is also tuned for the added weight.
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#1298
Burning Brakes
Where did the sports tuned suspension/sports package nonsense ever come from anyway? Acura never mentioned it and the suspension and tire changes are only to deal with the added weight and power verses increased handling.
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I'm very curious. The 4 cylinder Tech AT comes in $40,300. If we use the US model and add $2,400 to the base V6 compared to a 4 cylinder Tech we're at $42,700 for a base V6 and $45.7 for a Tech V6. I can't see prices being that high considering a TL with tech is $43.5. I hope your numbers are right.
#1300
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It came from a few posters from both this board and others that took re-tuned suspension to mean sport suspension. To be honest when Acura first announced the V6 a few months ago I initially presumed the same.
#1302
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I'm going to assume you're going to say it's because the TSX has better aerodynamics. With the same engine, transmission and weight, I think any difference is going to be negligible. Even if the TSX is faster above 100, will it make a difference to 95% of the potential customers?
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I'm going to assume you're going to say it's because the TSX has better aerodynamics. With the same engine, transmission and weight, I think any difference is going to be negligible. Even if the TSX is faster above 100, will it make a difference to 95% of the potential customers?
#1307
In the recent C&D comparison test, the TL SH-AWD ran from 0 to 120 in 29 sec, while the G37, which was the fastest car in the comparison, ran 0 to 120 in 19.6 sec with a MT. You seriously expect the V6 TSX to be as fast as a MT equipped G37 from 0-120?
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C&D can manage it as they manage 6.7 sec for 0-60 mph for 2G TSX vs 7.5 second for 1G TSX.
Even the older version which is less aerodynamic has 33 second to 120mph.
2G TSX can reach 120mph under 30 second for 4 cylinder as there is 1.2 second difference at 100mph according to Road&Track.
http://www..com/forums/canada-east/3...r-2-print.html
TSX (C&D 10/04)
0-60mph: 7.5s
0-100mph: 19.9s
0-120mph: 33.7s
1/4-mile: 15.7s@90mph
Roadholding, 300-ft skidpad: 0.83g
Top Speed: 136mph
#1315
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Ya, your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
The facts are in plain site. The TL with the same engine, tranny and similar weight does it it 29. How you come up with 20 is a mystery only you will ever have the answer for.
Must be the 18" wheels.
The facts are in plain site. The TL with the same engine, tranny and similar weight does it it 29. How you come up with 20 is a mystery only you will ever have the answer for.
Must be the 18" wheels.
#1316
Look at this result. Heavier and less bhp, larger frontal area (72.5 inch width) 2G TSX is beating 1 G TSX by 1.1 second at 100mph mark. despite consuming 7.5 sec from 0-60mph.
I bet C&D can bring 0-100mph times under 18 seconds as they manage 0-60 in 6.7 second for 4 cylinder. that will be atleast 2 second difference for 100mph from 1G TSX. and that gap widens much higher at higher speeds.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6833
Engine, transmission
2.4-liter I-4; 6-sp manual
Horsepower, bhp @ rpm
201 @ 7000
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm
172 @ 4400
0–60 mph
7.5 sec
0–100 mph
18.8 sec
I bet C&D can bring 0-100mph times under 18 seconds as they manage 0-60 in 6.7 second for 4 cylinder. that will be atleast 2 second difference for 100mph from 1G TSX. and that gap widens much higher at higher speeds.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6833
Engine, transmission
2.4-liter I-4; 6-sp manual
Horsepower, bhp @ rpm
201 @ 7000
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm
172 @ 4400
0–60 mph
7.5 sec
0–100 mph
18.8 sec
#1317
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Look at this result. Heavier and less bhp, larger frontal area (72.5 inch width) 2G TSX is beating 1 G TSX by 1.1 second at 100mph mark. despite consuming 7.5 sec from 0-60mph.
I bet C&D can bring 0-100mph times under 18 seconds as they manage 0-60 in 6.7 second for 4 cylinder. that will be atleast 2 second difference for 100mph from 1G TSX. and that gap widens much higher at higher speeds.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6833
Engine, transmission
2.4-liter I-4; 6-sp manual
Horsepower, bhp @ rpm
201 @ 7000
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm
172 @ 4400
0–60 mph
7.5 sec
0–100 mph
18.8 sec
I bet C&D can bring 0-100mph times under 18 seconds as they manage 0-60 in 6.7 second for 4 cylinder. that will be atleast 2 second difference for 100mph from 1G TSX. and that gap widens much higher at higher speeds.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6833
Engine, transmission
2.4-liter I-4; 6-sp manual
Horsepower, bhp @ rpm
201 @ 7000
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm
172 @ 4400
0–60 mph
7.5 sec
0–100 mph
18.8 sec
G37 in the first column, 335 in the second
0-100 13.8 12.2
0-110 16.6 15.3
0-120 20.2 18.2
Top Gear
100-120 12.8 8.3
Again, it takes the 328HP G 19.6 seconds with roughly the same weight. Why you're choosing to argue this point
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G37 in the first column, 335 in the second
0-100 13.8 12.2
0-110 16.6 15.3
0-120 20.2 18.2
Top Gear
100-120 12.8 8.3
Again, it takes the 328HP G 19.6 seconds with roughly the same weight. Why you're choosing to argue this point
0-100 13.8 12.2
0-110 16.6 15.3
0-120 20.2 18.2
Top Gear
100-120 12.8 8.3
Again, it takes the 328HP G 19.6 seconds with roughly the same weight. Why you're choosing to argue this point