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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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^^Does this include the new Droid Razr?
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 09:58 AM
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Yup HTC will be banned from selling phones with this starting in April.
Because those Fruitloops, you know, those kind of people are bad ... They shouldn't be allowed on the Earth.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PrissyJayne
^^Does this include the new Droid Razr?
Droid is Motorola
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Play it again Siri ...

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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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Competition is bad.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Competition is bad.
Competition is good, as long as you don't still someone else's idea so you can sell your product against them.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PrissyJayne
^^Does this include the new Droid Razr?
While it wasn't named in the suit, the feature that Apple patented in 1999 is part of Android and is in ALL android devices so they could (and probably will) go after all android devices that have this feature.

I already have a separate thread about this that I just bumped with the news
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
Competition is good, as long as you don't still someone else's idea so you can sell your product against them.
Nobody seems to mind when Apple does it.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Nobody seems to mind when Apple does it.
Has apple actually had patent infringement cases filed against them that they lost/won/settled or whatever?
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:04 AM
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^besides patent trolls I can only think of the Nokia lawsuit that they settled with Apple giving nokia $$$ and them signing a cross-licensing deal
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Nobody seems to mind when Apple does it.
OK, Other than what Stunna posted, please name some. I don't see any to agree or disagree with you. But if you do have something, doesn't matter, IMO, the person that came up with it, it's there's.

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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
OK, Other than what Stunna posted, please name some. I don't see any to agree or disagree with you.
iOS5 notifications are a copy of Android.
Lock screen notifications from a multitude of different places.
Wi-fi sync (allegedly) from a dev.

These are just recent ones. Then again...



The problem with Apple winning this case is that the use is so ubiquitous over so many different pieces of hardware, software, platforms...I'm a firm believer in patent reform. This patent was applied for in 1999, and has been used so often since then, it's curious that HTC is the one they are going after so hard.


Oh wait, no it isn't. HTC is the stepping stone to Android.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
Yup HTC will be banned from selling phones with this starting in April.
Here we go again with people not understanding what just went down and the media outlets blowing it out of proportion. First off, the patent is BS as the feature can be found in all dumbphones ever created. Its so generic that you have to wonder how they were even awarded such patent but that's why the system needs to be revamped and probably won't happen any time soon. You'll see more patent trolling for sure. The ruling only affected Donut to Froyo. Which means all the old phones that they never upgraded. If anything this is getting rid of fragmentation as it forces HTC to upgrade their phones to avoid litigation. (And maybe finally get rid of bloated Sense). HTC already has a UI fix in place to avoid the ban as well. So no, they won't stop selling phones by HTC.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/12...shouldnt-care/
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
OK, Other than what Stunna posted, please name some. I don't see any to agree or disagree with you. But if you do have something, doesn't matter, IMO, the person that came up with it, it's there's.
Motorola just won a case against them in the EU that could potentially ban all iPhone, iPad sales regarding data syncing, etc. These are more meaningful patents btw not some BS rectangle design patent:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/mot...hone-ipad/1435
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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I don't think any phones in 1999 had this feature but maybe they can lose the patent because they didn't enforce it until now...
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I don't think any phones in 1999 had this feature....
Part of my problem with the patent process is that people are able to throw shit at a wall, and if it sticks five years later, profit.

I'm fairly sure I was able to do this with my Blackjack, and WM5 was OUT before the iPhone was even a marketable option.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the wording of the patent also applies to things like Google Chrome and Voice on my PC.

The patent is too vaguely worded, and I blame that on the morons in the patent office. Patent reform needs to happen, and it needs to happen now.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Part of my problem with the patent process is that people are able to throw shit at a wall, and if it sticks five years later, profit.

I'm fairly sure I was able to do this with my Blackjack, and WM5 was OUT before the iPhone was even a marketable option.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the wording of the patent also applies to things like Google Chrome and Voice on my PC.

The patent is too vaguely worded, and I blame that on the morons in the patent office. Patent reform needs to happen, and it needs to happen now.
That's exactly what's happening. Skype also does it to crawl phone numbers to dial, etc. The patent system is broken and Apple knows that so they take advantage of it. I've never seen this much litigation by a tech company especially one who loves to steal other's ideas and call it their own. The sad thing is that we're paying for all of these and its slowing down all the cool stuff we could possibly be getting. Then we have all these arm chair lawyers trying to decipher what's going down its almost asinine.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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Apple had similar features back in mac OS way before smartphones

Apple's years of work of Data Detectors

Apple's Advanced Technology Group invented Data Detectors in the mid 1990s, allowing an operating system to recognize formatted data (such as a phone number or email address) within an unstructured document, enabling the user to take action upon the data recognized.




The feature was added to Mac OS 8 in 1997 as a contextual menu plugin (above), but didn't make it to Mac OS X until Leopard 10.5 in 2008. Along the way, Data Detectors evolved into an automated technology initially called LiveDoc, where recognized data was automatically highlighted.




On Mac OS X, the feature enables users to perform actions such as clicking on information (such as in an email signature) to automatically create a new contact entry or selecting a highlighted date in order to set up a new calendar event. Since Snow Leopard in 2009, the feature has been activated for any documents managed by Core Text.

That same year, iOS 3.0 also incorporated the technology, allowing users to see email addresses and phone numbers as hyperlinks that can be touched to place a call, send a text, or compose an email.


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...id_phones.html
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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I don't know of another OS that recognized URL in a plain text editor especially not in the 1990s, Windows doesn't even have that feature today...
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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Most software patents are lame but this one seems legit to me...
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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Yet they didn't go after any other manufacturers back in the day. Dumbphones have had it for as long as I can remember. Open up a browser in your dumbphone and it gave you a link to click for phone numbers, addresses, etc.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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Interesting...

http://www.google.com/patents/US7797447
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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And all of the hate Apple because of their patents come out.



Doesn't matter what effing company does it, they should pay or not use. Just because it's cool and you want to use it doesn't mean . Just like how everybody thinks that because someone steals and puts music, movies, and TV's shows on a torrent they are entitled to own it. If you didn't make it, you don't flipping own it, so let the courts settle it.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
Yet they didn't go after any other manufacturers back in the day. Dumbphones have had it for as long as I can remember. Open up a browser in your dumbphone and it gave you a link to click for phone numbers, addresses, etc.
it's possible they licensed it with those companies like they licensed the scrolling page with Nokia and IBM and those may not have qualified as "unstructured documents"

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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
And all of the hate Apple because of their patents come out.



Doesn't matter what effing company does it, they should pay or not use. Just because it's cool and you want to use it doesn't mean . Just like how everybody thinks that because someone steals and puts music, movies, and TV's shows on a torrent they are entitled to own it. If you didn't make it, you don't flipping own it, so let the courts settle it.
That would be great but Apple is refusing to cross license some of its patents purposely to shut down their competition. Either way, these patent talks are retarded to me as I'm more interested in tech not law. Would be in a law forum not here if I was. lol.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
That would be great but Apple is refusing to cross license some of its patents purposely to shut down their competition.
And if it's cross-licensed, it must be done so fairly to anyone who wishes to do so.

Think Apple is going to fairly cross-license patents with Google?
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
That would be great but Apple is refusing to cross license some of its patents purposely to shut down their competition. Either way, these patent talks are retarded to me as I'm more interested in tech not law. Would be in a law forum not here if I was. lol.
And as the maker, they have the right to do so. Just as others do.

And that's why it's competition. Don't use someone else's patent to compete against them. Taking another's idea to compete against them and try to put them out of business.


This bullshit that it's best for everyone (customers) to have is just
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
And if it's cross-licensed, it must be done so fairly to anyone who wishes to do so.

Think Apple is going to fairly cross-license patents with Google?
Google the one that is buying up everybody else's work to compete .
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
Google the one that is buying up everybody else's work to compete .
Apple's buying everything it can in order for it not to.

This works both ways.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:57 AM
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Umm...have you read any of their patents? They're so broad that most of the articles and descriptions from programmers I've read all say the same thing which goes along the not sure exactly what this patent covers because the patent description is so generic. I would agree with you if the patent system was revised. At the moment, you can patent things as broad as you want them to be. And with that I'm done with the patent talks.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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Is it possible to stream video from an iPhone 4 (iOS 5) to a non Apple TV? Looking to buy this as an xmas gift for my parents.
I'll ask this again because I think I mistyped the first time.. If I purchase Apple TV then I can stream my iPhone video to my TV?
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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I'll ask this again because I think I mistyped the first time.. If I purchase Apple TV then I can stream my iPhone video to my TV?
Yes.

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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
Here we go again with people not understanding what just went down and the media outlets blowing it out of proportion. First off, the patent is BS as the feature can be found in all dumbphones ever created. Its so generic that you have to wonder how they were even awarded such patent but that's why the system needs to be revamped and probably won't happen any time soon. You'll see more patent trolling for sure. The ruling only affected Donut to Froyo. Which means all the old phones that they never upgraded. If anything this is getting rid of fragmentation as it forces HTC to upgrade their phones to avoid litigation. (And maybe finally get rid of bloated Sense). HTC already has a UI fix in place to avoid the ban as well. So no, they won't stop selling phones by HTC.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/12...shouldnt-care/
I never said all HTC phones.. I said "selling phones with this" as in the patent....

Learn to read.
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 04:42 PM
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I don't even think I am going to screw with jailbreaking this time around.. The only reason I would jailbreak before was for lockscreen info and 5 icons on the bottom. It has been so long since I have been without both of those that I have gotten used to it just being regular.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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I don't even think I am going to screw with jailbreaking this time around.. The only reason I would jailbreak before was for lockscreen info and 5 icons on the bottom. It has been so long since I have been without both of those that I have gotten used to it just being regular.
Yeah, same here.
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