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Old 06-29-2012, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
Are you talking a monetary value? It's not about that.

Players always keep little weird things from games. I can't remember who it was, but one football has kept dirt/sod from every stadium he has played in. Basketball players, cut down the net and keep a piece for themselves.
Nono...Not monetary value. And I know athletes collect everything from shoelaces to ice and etc.

I think it is interesting. And PERSONALLY, I look at it just as a puck.
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Originally Posted by black label
He can't understand the value of a puck from a Stanley Cup final but somehow finds value in worthless toy robots (that aren't even robotic by the way, they are just metal dollies for boys).
Oooooo...was that supposed to hurt my feelings?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Oooooo...was that supposed to hurt my feelings?
Nope, just bring your attention to the fact that something you value quite a lot the majority of the world sees as a child's toy and places no value in it at all. Similar to how you see the puck from the game that got the Kings their first championship as "just a puck."

If it isn't water, food or shelter, nothing has value unless someone says it does.
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Is this gonna be another "goaltender part deux" argument?!?!?!?

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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Is this gonna be another "goaltender part deux" argument?!?!?!?

If it does, Yummy's just acting insane. He more than anyone else should understand how people can put ridiculous value on something that in reality has little or no value at all.

Then again, we do have a while before the season starts. We gotta argue about something, I mean, this is the interwebz.
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Cup goes to Children's Hospital


Cup goes to Spiderman Premier. (I'm sure this came about as a result of Brown's kids drinking chocolate milk out of The Cup wearing their Spiderman costumes)
Old 06-29-2012, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by black label
Nope, just bring your attention to the fact that something you value quite a lot the majority of the world sees as a child's toy and places no value in it at all. Similar to how you see the puck from the game that got the Kings their first championship as "just a puck."

If it isn't water, food or shelter, nothing has value unless someone says it does.
You are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I know the Kings want the puck. But, I'm just saying that the bigger "object" is the Cup and they won it. If they lost it, it's no big deal because placing so much value in it is kinda like the same you would to the game-time used water bottles, ice, jock straps, and etc. that were used in Game 6.


I'm not saying it has NO value because obviously, what everyone considers valuable is completely different. Moog here even saves Staples ice water which I would never do...but, you are right, I go and hoard and spend $$$$$ on robots. So, go figure. Everyone has different tastes.

But, TO ME, it is just a puck...the Kings already have achieved their goal. As well, the puck is not like Sid's or Kane's which CLINCHED the game. Unless the missing puck in question is the one that scored the GWG.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
You are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I know the Kings want the puck. But, I'm just saying that the bigger "object" is the Cup and they won it. If they lost it, it's no big deal because placing so much value in it is kinda like the same you would to the game-time used water bottles, ice, jock straps, and etc. that were used in Game 6.
That's just plain ridiculous.

Nobody in their right mind is going to agree with you that the game puck is the same a a bottle of water or jock strap.

Put down the bong.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
You are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I know the Kings want the puck. But, I'm just saying that the bigger "object" is the Cup and they won it. If they lost it, it's no big deal because placing so much value in it is kinda like the same you would to the game-time used water bottles, ice, jock straps, and etc. that were used in Game 6.


I'm not saying it has NO value because obviously, what everyone considers valuable is completely different. Moog here even saves Staples ice water which I would never do...but, you are right, I go and hoard and spend $$$$$ on robots. So, go figure. Everyone has different tastes.

But, TO ME, it is just a puck...the Kings already have achieved their goal. As well, the puck is not like Sid's or Kane's which CLINCHED the game. Unless the missing puck in question is the one that scored the GWG.
They don't get to keep the cup forever though. It's one of those trophies you have to give back when your reign as champs is over. The puck is theirs forever as a reminder of the time they won it all.
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Martin Brodeur may test free agency after hiring agent Pat Brisson; limited talks with NJ Devils

After Martin Brodeur finished one of the greatest postseason runs of his legendary NHL career, it was back to business. The goalie is a unrestricted free agent this summer, having made $5.2 million against the cap for the last six seasons. He turned 40 in May; this contract could be his last in the NHL.
"I've said it all along. He'll make the decision whether he wants to come back," Devils President/GM/Ruler of All He Surveys Lou Lamoriello said after the season. "Marty will be a Devil as long as he wants to be. I don't think there's ever something he and I have trouble with. I don't want to see him put on any other uniform. I don't think he wants to."

That desire may be put to the test: As first reported by Darren Dreger of TSN, Brodeur has hired Pat Brisson (who just closed Sidney Crosby's mega-contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins) having "had limited contract discussions with Devils. Could still sign before Sunday, but leaning now toward open market."

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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Moog here even saves Staples ice water which I would never do...but, you are right, I go and hoard and spend $$$$$ on robots. So, go figure. Everyone has different tastes.
In Boston, we will never underestimate the value of saving the home ice in liquid form ever again.

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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
That's just plain ridiculous.

Nobody in their right mind is going to agree with you that the game puck is the same a a bottle of water or jock strap.

Put down the bong.
Whatever.

The point has gotten so skewed it is quite off-track. The original point was that you were -ing around cuz the Kings could not find the puck.

I was saying, it is just a puck. The main prize, star of the show, is the Cup which they have won. If they can't ever locate the puck, it's all good...because, well, they have the Cup and will have rings.

That is all.



I'm not going any deeper into Oz with you on this.
Old 06-29-2012, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Whatever.

The point has gotten so skewed it is quite off-track. The original point was that you were -ing around cuz the Kings could not find the puck.

I was saying, it is just a puck. The main prize, star of the show, is the Cup which they have won. If they can't ever locate the puck, it's all good...because, well, they have the Cup and will have rings.

That is all.



I'm not going any deeper into Oz with you on this.
Ok...but keep in mind it was you that wandered into the Emerald City....not us.

Everyone understands the "value" of the championship puck to an NHL franchise, and why they would want it....except you


...but then again I know you do understand....you are just stirring the pot...otherwise we would think you certified

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Now back to serious discussions:

I think Brodeur signs with The Leafs....so he can win The Cup one more time.
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Originally Posted by black label
He can't understand the value of a puck from a Stanley Cup final but somehow finds value in worthless toy robots (that aren't even robotic by the way, they are just metal dollies for boys).
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Now back to serious discussions:

I think Brodeur signs with The Leafs....so he can win The Cup one more time.
what you did there... i sees it
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Originally Posted by black label
He can't understand the value of a puck from a Stanley Cup final but somehow finds value in worthless toy robots (that aren't even robotic by the way, they are just metal dollies for boys).
oh no you didn't.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Now back to serious discussions:

I think Brodeur signs with The Leafs....so he can win The Cup one more time.
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I like the Habs' signing of Prust.
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The Leaves start assembling their Cup-winning roster by signing Jay McClement and Ryan Hamilton...
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Gotta love TSN, watching the free agent coverage and they say "Oh he's not going to Toronto, he wants to go to a winning team"
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So much over-payment in these signings.

This is what happens when the cap goes up and there is a small pool of decent UFA's....combine that with a big pool of $$$....then you have the league business model in a tailspin.

The new CBA will clearly need to address.
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So the Kings sign the bulk of their UFA's

...all went to the finals, won The Cup...all showed huge performance gains in the playoffs.......

Now time for their HUGE payday in the market......errr.....wait a minute.....this just in.....

They all took pay cuts to stay with the team.

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I find it funny that at age 40 and being a 20 year veteran of the NHL, Marty Brodeur felt it was time for him to hire an agent.
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Originally Posted by black label
I find it funny that at age 40 and being a 20 year veteran of the NHL, Marty Brodeur felt it was time for him to hire an agent.
I find it funny that at age 40 the Dallas Stars would sign Ray Whitney to a two year $9 mill. deal with a modified no-trade clause.
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I find it funny that at age 40 and being a 20 year veteran of the NHL, Marty Brodeur felt it was time for him to hire an agent.
Considering he's never play for another NHL team and that team probably doesn't want to pay him what he should be worth. Let someone else fight it out for him.
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....because it's the Count's team.

BETTMAN GIVES TORRES FOUR LESS GAMES THAN SHANAHAN
Months after Raffi Torres concussed Marian Hossa and 46 days after he appealed the 25-game suspension that followed, the Phoenix Coyotes forward was handed a 21-game sentence.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman deemed Torres' hit to be worth four less games than disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan after an appeal.

Bettman announced a 21-game ban for Torres on Monday, down from Shanahan's original ruling of 25 games on April 21. It was an extremely rare move by the commissioner. One thing he and Shanahan agreed on was the dangerous nature of the play.

"This type of on-ice conduct cannot and will not be tolerated in the National Hockey League," Bettman said in a statement. "We have seen similar behaviour before from Mr. Torres and, particularly given the league's heightened scrutiny on hits to the head, I believe that a very significant penalty is warranted in this case.

"We hope and expect that the severity of this incident, and the league's response to it, will help prevent any similar incident from occurring in the future."

Torres already served 13 games of the suspension during the playoffs. He still has to sit out the coming pre-season as well as eight regular-season games, which will cause him to forfeit US$170,731.68 in salary.

However, it could have been worse.

Hossa was taken off the ice on a stretcher April 17 after Torres left his feet to deliver a shoulder to Hossa's head in Game 3 of the first-round series. In making his original ruling, Shanahan pointed out that Torres had a long history of supplemental discipline and that he violated three NHL rules during the hit on Hossa: interference, charging and checking to the head.

Torres reached out to the Blackhawks winger about a week after the incident occurred.

"It was nice that he contacted me, but I told him that I was upset," Hossa said in May. "I said, 'I know we were playing that way, but the thing that upset me was the jump.' If he didn't jump, maybe I would have still been hit hard, but it wouldn't have hit my head."

Bettman heard an appeal from Torres and representatives from the NHL Players' Association at the league offices on May 17 and took plenty of time before announcing the decision. The 21-game suspension matches the seventh-harshest penalty handed out in league history -- and it will leave Torres with next to no room for error when he returns to the ice.

Beyond that, the incident shed some light on the NHL's disciplinary system. Bettman has the final call on every suspension appeal and it's believed the NHLPA will seek changes to the process during negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement this summer.
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Not even Bettman himself thinks the Shaaaannnnaban discipline system is legit.

What a joke.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I like the Habs' signing of Prust.
I don't.
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...because these never get old
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/X0vjauFnW9w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Wait for it...right at the end of the clip.
Remember kids...this is the second biggest media market in the nation.
Amateur hour....Bush league.
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...because these never get old
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Wait for it...right at the end of the clip.
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Lakers WTF????

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Could it be?!?!?

The Hawks are really going to start the upcoming season with Crawford between the pipes?!?!?

Say it aint so!!!
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Could it be?!?!?

The Hawks are really going to start the upcoming season with Crawford between the pipes?!?!?

Say it aint so!!!
Probably the plan.

Most goalies seem to have hiccups in their 2nd year in the NHL anyhow (look up your Slow and even others and you will see what I mean)...which is what happened to Crawford. The idea is likely to shore up the defensive play in front and see if that addresses a few things. I don't think Chicago is done in the FA market. Then again, who knows...I would like to see them add a second-line C, please.
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^^ oof! Gonna be a long season if the Hawks stand pat on their goaltending woes.
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god I hope the Pens don't get stuck with Malkin, Crosby, Neal, Letang and Fleury! Cmonnnnnn Parise
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Somebody is going to seriously overpay for Parise.

...but this will be the last time in a long time for desperate teams to overpay for players that won't live up to the big contract.

Parise's gotta strike while the iron is hot!

New CBA...lockout....here we come
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Question: The last one was Penner. What was your ultimate thought process there, in getting that done?

LOMBARDI: “Obviously it was the last one that we did. We had the draft and everything, but we really thought it was imperative for him to sit down with Darryl and I, and let him know — how do you want to put this… You can’t do anything contractually, but we felt it was important for Darryl to re-affirm what’s going to have to happen next year, that, in the end, no matter what we do in terms of adding or subtracting players, every one of those players has to get better. I just think, with Dustin, obviously we saw it’s been a long ride, but we want to make sure that he’s committed to the effort we saw in the last two months, and not the player we saw prior to. And he was very good, too. Darryl, it was, look him in the eye, man to man, and there were no punches pulled. To his credit, he could have easily went to the market and maybe came back, but he called that night and said, `No, I want to stay, and I’m going to show you.’ He was willing to take a one-year deal. It says a lot about him, too, in terms of his commitment, that he had no interest in testing the waters. Like I said, in that conversation, Darryl didn’t pull any punches, which you probably don’t expect him to. He said, `No, I’m in.’ Even that one, I give him a lot of credit.’’
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^^ oof! Gonna be a long season if the Hawks stand pat on their goaltending woes.
Maybe and maybe not. If Crawford does not improve, then yes. If he plays the way he did in his rookie year...then, Chicago is in okay shape.

For me, I would love to see them get some help up in D for crease-clearing and a decent 2nd line C to take the pressure off of Toews.
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According to multiple reports the Rangers are unwilling to deal Ryan McDonagh, Chris Kreider or Derek Stepan for Nash. Columbus apparently wants one, and possibly two, of those players.

I hope they don't trade away their future stars.


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