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Old 06-11-2021, 02:13 PM
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The outboard seats requires the front passenger to sit uncomfortably (and dangerously) close to the dashboard. I actually measured with a tape measure and it’s about 2 inches closer than in the S5 SB. The TLX (both 1G and 2G) have exceptionally thick seat backs which eats into the room for the top of a rear facing car seat.
I hear ya. Even in my 4G, I couldn't even fit in the passenger seat and my wife was pretty close to the dashboard when she rode in the car. She had an Altima at the time, which was better. Recently purchased a Passport which fixed the problem altogether. Both kids are now front facing which makes it a moot point. Depending on which car seat you have, you might be able to use a piece of foam to help gain a few inches of space (it increases the angle of the seat).
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Less than 24 hours and ~60K views for SG TLX review awesome for SG and Acura 🚀🙌🏽
Old 06-12-2021, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Pac
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgx5y5k_Q9o

Enjoy! I haven’t watched it yet!
Why does Mark appear to be "wiping his ass" at the 11:00 mark?
Old 06-12-2021, 04:19 PM
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I hear ya. Even in my 4G, I couldn't even fit in the passenger seat and my wife was pretty close to the dashboard when she rode in the car. She had an Altima at the time, which was better. Recently purchased a Passport which fixed the problem altogether. Both kids are now front facing which makes it a moot point. Depending on which car seat you have, you might be able to use a piece of foam to help gain a few inches of space (it increases the angle of the seat).
People worried about leg room just let the wife get an SUV. I have no leg room in the back but in front plenty to the point at 6ft the seat still can go back 3 to 4 inches more.. Frankly if I was hauling my kids around I wouldn't use any of the power in the car for the most part with them in it;. Really wished acura built a coupe again. This platform is just too large for that.

mot much backset leg room but plenty in the front and super fun to drive.
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TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5...
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Originally Posted by SRB-TL
TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5... https://youtu.be/rqod8gs-BlY
That K5 GT 2.5T with 290 HP and 311 lbs of torque will outrun anything with a 2.0T possibly with the exception of the Civic Type-R. In relationship to the TLX SHAWD Aspec it also has a 500lb weight advantage. No way was it not going to be faster than the TLX. .
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Originally Posted by SRB-TL
TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5...
Why is that a surprise? K5 is lighter, has more power & a DCT. The TLX has AWD for its launch but its all done a few seconds into a run.
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Originally Posted by SRB-TL
TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5... https://youtu.be/rqod8gs-BlY
Did you think this video was the Type S by mistake? This result is not even a little surprising, I can't even believe they bothered racing these two and making a video about it.
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Old 06-13-2021, 10:32 AM
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Did you think this video was the Type S by mistake? This result is not even a little surprising, I can't even believe they bothered racing these two and making a video about it.
was about to ask the same thing. thought this was a Type S thread.
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Originally Posted by SRB-TL
TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5... https://youtu.be/rqod8gs-BlY


Accord got spanked by a freaking Kia K5
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Old 06-13-2021, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SRB-TL
TLX got spanked by a freaking Kia K5... https://youtu.be/rqod8gs-BlY
The Kia is lighter and more powerful (which help with acceleration). Only badge-snobs would be surprised by the result.
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So what happened to everyone that was waiting for SG's review of TLX TYPE S? Except a few, I did not see any comments and feedback. Or who cares about their review? Those guys are Honda/Acura fanboys

If you do get a chance to watch the review, listen a few times to Johnny German car of the channel: 24:12-24.50 minutes. 99.9%!
Old 06-14-2021, 11:11 AM
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So what happened to everyone that was waiting for SG's review of TLX TYPE S? Except a few, I did not see any comments and feedback. Or who cares about their review? Those guys are Honda/Acura fanboys

If you do get a chance to watch the review, listen a few times to Johnny German car of the channel: 24:12-24.50 minutes. 99.9%!
What was said that hasn't already been said? They praised it for its handling and driving dynamics, and poopoo'd it for its engine and transmission. It's what most people have already said about the car.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Pac
So what happened to everyone that was waiting for SG's review of TLX TYPE S? Except a few, I did not see any comments and feedback. Or who cares about their review? Those guys are Honda/Acura fanboys

If you do get a chance to watch the review, listen a few times to Johnny German car of the channel: 24:12-24.50 minutes. 99.9%!
I think everyone has mostly made up their minds / opinions by now. It seems like it's mostly just a circle jerk about the back seat leg room and how it's not as good as the much more expensive 340i now. Car is every bit as good as the S4 for less money, it will make its owners very happy. In the segment there are very few straight up losers.
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Accord got spanked by a freaking Kia K5 https://youtu.be/QbhYuFgdt5A
Oh no...how awful. I'm off to sell my $26K Accord now and buy the $50K TLX that can't outrun Kia that costs 50% less. K5 and Accord are meant to be in the same class. Your TLX is supposed to compete with cars like G70 and even G70 is cheaper...They gave you a 5-series car on the outside, fake long hood to make it look RWD and 3-series on the inside. Dead spot in 1st gear through 3500 RPM, 6.2s 0-60 time (at best), and they made it a pig at 4300 lbs. They called this the "best sport sedan ever from Acura". Type S promo video has hydraulic hand brake put in to fake drift 1 second clip. When will all of you stop falling for the marketing gimmicks from Acura? When they come out with a 8 second 0-60 car with base price of $65K? I love...LOVE the sourness on this forum!
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:51 PM
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People worried about leg room just let the wife get an SUV. I have no leg room in the back but in front plenty to the point at 6ft the seat still can go back 3 to 4 inches more.. Frankly if I was hauling my kids around I wouldn't use any of the power in the car for the most part with them in it;. Really wished acura built a coupe again. This platform is just too large for that.

mot much backset leg room but plenty in the front and super fun to drive.

All I can say is your car is gorgeous. The color and design.
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Originally Posted by fiatlux
What was said that hasn't already been said? They praised it for its handling and driving dynamics, and poopoo'd it for its engine and transmission. It's what most people have already said about the car.
Be interesting to see how this stands up against the G70's handling & driving dynamics. Until the mainstream testers but their test gear in it or it runs in Lightning Laps the jury is still out.

Reason for Lightning Laps

"This is why we return to VIR every year for the ultimate performance test. It doesn't take a legend to sit at a traffic light, but at Lightning Lap if a car has a weakness, it's sure to be revealed."

BTW So far 277 individual cars have run from 1st place McLaren Senna 2:34:9 to last place #277 Honda FIT 3:37:7. The Last G70 to run was in 2019 @ 3:07:3. Since 2006 the first 4.1 mile Lightning Lap event at VIR no TL/TLX has run as far as I know. HONDA is well represented in the list.

The Type-S could make the 2021/2022 list.

Rest is all opinion the YouTubers & ours.
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Why does Mark appear to be "wiping his ass" at the 11:00 mark?
Did no one see this?
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Originally Posted by Nexx
Accord got spanked by a freaking Kia K5 https://youtu.be/QbhYuFgdt5A
Bite the pillow...I'm going in dry:
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Bite the pillow...I'm going in dry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM33B_T9EPQ
Totally ridiculous and embarrassing
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Originally Posted by Tony Pac
All I can say is your car is gorgeous. The color and design.
Thanks, this is what I had to "settle" for after getting tired of waiting for the type S. It did save me about 9k (over a type S) getting a CPO that was stickered over 68k new (fully optioned out which isn't easy to find as I was looking around for close to a year so it was hard to pass up). By far the most fun car to drive I have ever owned in every aspect. Between my wife and I we have had 6 Acuras since 2007.

So the long wait may have been a good thing in the end.

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Totally ridiculous and embarrassing
How so? The TLX (non S) is not supposed to be fast nor is it trying to be. Putting the same powertrain in lighter car results in faster straight line performance? You don't say...The majority of Accord/TLX sales are not driven by 0-60 times as hard as that might be to believe.
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What was said that hasn't already been said? They praised it for its handling and driving dynamics, and poopoo'd it for its engine and transmission. It's what most people have already said about the car.
I had to re-watch it, because I got the initial impression that SG liked the car as a great compromise. Essentially, "you get what you pay for." Yes, you spend less, but you get less. It doesn't surprise me that people here can twist that into, "the Type-S is the new king."

It's literally stated at the beginning of the 'Driving Impression' segment. Starting from 16:24: "So this is Acura's attempt, like they've done in the past, to create a value proposition in the sporty business-mobile luxury sedan segment. It's competing with things like the S4, C43, M340i. It's $53k well-equipped, but I think dynamically, at least in the engine and transmission segment of this vehicle or part of it ... it's kind of a let down." To which Mark agrees. So, yea, from the performance aspect of speed, it's not impressive ... as we've been saying for almost a year now. In its own bubble, it's a great car as an everyday driver. But, don't think you're David going up against Goliath and winning. The underdog doesn't eek out the win here.

Watching it again, it was also funny watching Mark and Jack equally as annoyed with the BS marketing surrounding this car as myself (as well as many others who aren't delusional about what this car is).
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You're definitely putting your own spin on it. They didn't make any speed comparisons (probably because they didn't have any of the competitors there to directly compare). They talked about the character of the engine. It doesn't sound like a Honda VTEC engine nor does it have the sonic signature of the Germans. That's really the only point they were making about the engine. It's a very traditional turbocharged engine (for better or worse). Jack thought the gearing wasn't right for sporty driving. Mark thought it was fine but didn't like that it automatically upshifts in manual mode. As far as I know only the C43 AMG will hold gears in manual mode.
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Originally Posted by leomio2.0
I had to re-watch it, because I got the initial impression that SG liked the car as a great compromise. Essentially, "you get what you pay for." Yes, you spend less, but you get less. It doesn't surprise me that people here can twist that into, "the Type-S is the new king."

It's literally stated at the beginning of the 'Driving Impression' segment. Starting from 16:24: "So this is Acura's attempt, like they've done in the past, to create a value proposition in the sporty business-mobile luxury sedan segment. It's competing with things like the S4, C43, M340i. It's $53k well-equipped, but I think dynamically, at least in the engine and transmission segment of this vehicle or part of it ... it's kind of a let down." To which Mark agrees. So, yea, from the performance aspect of speed, it's not impressive ... as we've been saying for almost a year now. In its own bubble, it's a great car as an everyday driver. But, don't think you're David going up against Goliath and winning. The underdog doesn't eek out the win here.

Watching it again, it was also funny watching Mark and Jack equally as annoyed with the BS marketing surrounding this car as myself (as well as many others who aren't delusional about what this car is).
Leomio20, you’re making shit up. Mark at the point you noted said nothing about aspect of speed. What he said was that the car was different than what he expected in that the engine did not feel like what you have come to expect from Honda. Maybe you should go back to 16:54 of the video and listen again to Mark’s response. Sheesh, it’s obvious you don’t like the Type S yet why you would try to create a negative narrative that could be so easily debunked is beyond me.
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How so? The TLX (non S) is not supposed to be fast nor is it trying to be. Putting the same powertrain in lighter car results in faster straight line performance? You don't say...The majority of Accord/TLX sales are not driven by 0-60 times as hard as that might be to believe.
If thats true Acura management got exactly what they wanted, a slow car. Too bad the marketing department selling the class leading 272BHP more powerful engine more than the BMW 330 255BHP engine did not get the memo. Even the 252BHP Honda will kick its ass and nobody expects a 4 cylinder Honda Accord to be fast.

BTW Note to HONDA 430 If anyone is making shit up its the Acura Marketing Department & every suit they put infront of a TV camera

Read Acura Ads & watch their Videos. Acura makes all the claims themselves for clueless people, they don't need any help from the YouTubers in making claims

Sample of an Acura we are really a killer player now add headline

BMW 330i can't compete with TLX performance
Its VTEC® Turbo 2.0-liter engine boasts 272 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque​

Really? Lets go to the performance numbers & see who can't compete with whom

C&D Summary Bold is the winning number

BMW 330
"EXCELLENT RIDE AND HANDLING, BEST-IN-CLASS FUEL ECONOMY, THE ENGINE IS A FOUR-CYLINDER BENCHMARK."
60 mph: 5.4 sec
100 mph: 14.4 sec
140 mph: 35.5 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited):155 mph

Braking, 70–0 mph: 150 ft
Road holding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
Combined/city/highway: 30/26/36 mpg
Observed: 75-mph highway driving: 42 mpg

TLX
60 mph: 5.9 sec

100 mph: 15.3 sec
130 mph: 29.9 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.5 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.7 sec
1/4 mile: 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 362 ft
Road holding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Combined/city/highway: 24/21/29 mpg

Think if Acura marketing would stop trying to bullshit the public there would be a much better reception of the car by many here. The car is a very good family car & sucks as a first line sports sedan in the 4 Cylinder category. The claim that the 4 cylinder BMW 330i "can't compete with TLX performance" is a freaking joke that anyone who knows anything about cars will bust a gut laughing over.

Not a good plan to turn your bread & butter car into a joke.

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I don’t know Bear. That Accord that nobody expects to be fast is as fast or faster than the 330i. I’m not saying the TLX is fast, but the Accord is 600lbs lighter and the 330i 500lbs.

Honda Accord 2.0TC/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 5.4 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.3 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 23 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg

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If the argument is that the marketing is bullshit I couldn't agree more, I would in fact say most manufacturers or companies in general of all products of all sorts use some really BS marketing claims and it's to attract the what I can only describe as least educated buyers. "Oh wow 272 is more than 255 so this must be faster and oh look it's cheaper and oh wow two more gears oooh sweet man!", I mean I don't even know if I can blame them considering how many people are suckers these days and take things at face value even if it's a snake oil salesmen. The educated buyers don't give a shit about the marketing because they will just drive it themselves and make an opinion and the enthusiasts will pointlessly point out that a car we all know is barely a 6s car is getting beaten by cars we all know are 5.5s cars.

I guess my point is people who know what the car is know it's not trying to be fast, like that's not what the engineers built the car for and we as car people all get that but the engineers don't get a choice in how it's marketed even it's shameful so if we know it's not supposed to be fast why are we posting videos of it getting beat by an Accord or K5 GT and acting like it's such a disgrace? Yeah the marketing is wack, it's not a race car, we all should know and understand that and shouldn't be shocked by it.
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Originally Posted by Honda430
I don’t know Bear. That Accord that nobody expects to be fast is as fast or faster than the 330i.

Honda Accord 2.0TC/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 5.4 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.2 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph:3.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.3 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 23 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg
Then maybe the Accord & Acura should simply swap name plates & radios as the Accord outside of highway speed passing, top speed, braking, road holding & fuel economy (both EPA & 75MPH) its very competitive with the 330i. Meanwhile the TLX the brands top sedan can't compete with either one.

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Here are the 530i numbers with basically the same engine as the 330i with 500 more lbs of weight. These numbers are for the 2017 model which was the last year the C&D tested. While Acura bears all the blame for making the TLX so heavy anyone expecting it to compete in the speed category with only a 20HP advantage over cars 500lbs lighter was ignoring physics.

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 24.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.6 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 128 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 180 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 24 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg
Highway range: 610 miles

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Originally Posted by DubPK
If the argument is that the marketing is bullshit I couldn't agree more, I would in fact say most manufacturers or companies in general of all products of all sorts use some really BS marketing claims and it's to attract the what I can only describe as least educated buyers. "Oh wow 272 is more than 255 so this must be faster and oh look it's cheaper and oh wow two more gears oooh sweet man!", I mean I don't even know if I can blame them considering how many people are suckers these days and take things at face value even if it's a snake oil salesmen. The educated buyers don't give a shit about the marketing because they will just drive it themselves and make an opinion and the enthusiasts will pointlessly point out that a car we all know is barely a 6s car is getting beaten by cars we all know are 5.5s cars.

I guess my point is people who know what the car is know it's not trying to be fast, like that's not what the engineers built the car for and we as car people all get that but the engineers don't get a choice in how it's marketed even it's shameful so if we know it's not supposed to be fast why are we posting videos of it getting beat by an Accord or K5 GT and acting like it's such a disgrace? Yeah the marketing is wack, it's not a race car, we all should know and understand that and shouldn't be shocked by it.
Agree with you & its my primary bitch against the TLX which overall is a very nice car but its now under pressure from some other very nice cars. Everybody is upping their game & there are really not many "bad" cars left. Thing is there are a lot of guys here, supposedly " enlightened enthusiasts" drinking the marketing Kool Aid they provide by the gallon & regurgitating it back into the forum threads.

People come here go to BMW, Genesis, MB etc to gather info to make purchases. Why should car guys let a bunch of known BS not be challenged so there is just kumbaya in the forum. I have no problem saying what I think on any forum I post to including BMW, Corvette & Factory Five Racing.
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I agree we should call them on their BS which it absolutely is, just feel like the horse is dead at this point and we are still beating it a lot lol. Posts like "what a ridiculous disgrace" or whatever after a video of the Accord beating it in a straight line or whatever is just triggering a bit because to me, and presumably to almost everyone else who knows anything about these two cars it's a "no shit." moment lol. I've just been lurking to long reading the same regurgitated complaints I guess ha.
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Here are the 530i numbers with basically the same engine as the 330i with 500 more lbs of weight. These numbers are for the 2017 model which was the last year the C&D tested. While Acura bears all the blame for making the TLX so heavy anyone expecting it to compete in the speed category with only a 20HP advantage over cars 500lbs lighter was ignoring physics.

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 24.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.6 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 128 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 180 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 24 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 34 mpg
Highway range: 610 miles
Agree the TLX is too fat & underpowered for the image they are trying to create. The 530 has no performance image or asperations, there are other 5 series cars that do the performance part better than most.

Not sure what you are getting at but the 530 is not sold as a performance car. Its a nice comfortable executive commuter & the wording reflects that.

C&D had this to say

"The quiet luxury and handsome styling are high on your new-car priorities list, the 2021 BMW 5-series sedan could very well be the answer. Its spacious and plush cabin is a pleasant place to spend your commute, and BMW offers a host of powertrain options to suit your needs, be they fuel efficiency or roaring V-8 performance."

"The M550i
is the athlete of the lineup, with a twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 under its hood. In our testing, the M550i sprinted through our acceleration runs quicker than the Audi S6 and Mercedes-AMG E53"

BMW is not making performance claims for cars that don't have performance credentials like the 530. They have the general performance M550 0-60 4.0 in the normal product line. They don't even bring in the high performance M5 0-60 2.8 into the same general advertising block as the non M cars.

Back to the 330i. I get in trouble for calling it the secretary's express. Its a nice car, BMW image, comfortable & fuel efficient. Despite its 0.94 handling number its not a very quick car. For me thats the end of the story. If I wanted a small 4 door performance car I would get either the M3 or the M340 if I could not get a replacement nose for the M car.

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I agree we should call them on their BS which it absolutely is, just feel like the horse is dead at this point and we are still beating it a lot lol. Posts like "what a ridiculous disgrace" or whatever after a video of the Accord beating it in a straight line or whatever is just triggering a bit because to me, and presumably to almost everyone else who knows anything about these two cars it's a "no shit." moment lol. I've just been lurking to long reading the same regurgitated complaints I guess ha.
What you are dealing with is the looooooong gestation period for the brands V6 performance car. There is NOTHING to talk about so its now a circular conversation that goes round & round. Current triggers are the dumb ass YouTube vids that are 100% opinion with no numbers by a bunch of guys who got a free trip, room & board plus a track day.(what's not to like about the car?)

Only ones of value are the drag races which unfortunately for Acura advertising are not a good thing as they do not play to the TLX's strong suits.
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What you are dealing with is the looooooong gestation period for the brands V6 performance car. There is NOTHING to talk about so its now a circular conversation that goes round & round. Current triggers are the dumb ass YouTube vids that are 100% opinion with no numbers by a bunch of guys who got a free trip, room & board plus a track day.(what's not to like about the car?)

Only ones of value are the drag races which unfortunately for Acura advertising are not a good thing as they do not play to the TLX's strong suits.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way that so much value is placed on the 0-60 or straight line drags. It will at least be more interesting once people have the Type S in their hands, seeing exactly how much slower/faster it is then the competitors will be more interesting than watching the slow version of the TLX getting beat up by the faster version of the Accord. Lot more to a car then it's 0-60 straight line performance, the Type S isn't going to walk many performance minded cars but I still think overall it's going to be a pretty solid offering doomed to mockery because it's a 4.7s-5s car instead of a 4.5s one heh. On that same note I think the TLX in general is the nicest sedan Acura has put out in years and if you're not after performance I don't think you can go wrong with it. I've said it before here and elsewhere there really aren't many legitimately bad cars in the upper segments anymore, they are all great and it's going to come down to what pulls on your heart strings more.
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How so? The TLX (non S) is not supposed to be fast nor is it trying to be. Putting the same powertrain in lighter car results in faster straight line performance? You don't say...The majority of Accord/TLX sales are not driven by 0-60 times as hard as that might be to believe.
Acura “Precision crafted performance” showing a non Type S sliding around like it’s a race car. Tell Acura that not me. Second of all no other manufacturers do this. Q50 is faster than a Maxima, A4 is faster than a jetta. Why would the accord be faster than their higher tier brand compatible car? That makes zero sense and is yes embarrassing.
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Acura “Precision crafted performance” showing a non Type S sliding around like it’s a race car. Tell Acura that not me. Second of all no other manufacturers do this. Q50 is faster than a Maxima, A4 is faster than a jetta. Why would the accord be faster than their higher tier brand compatible car? That makes zero sense and is yes embarrassing.
You'll get no argument from me that the marketing is BS as we literally just discussed a few posts up but I do disagree with you that the TLX being half a second slower to 60 than the Accord is embarrassing because it literally doesn't matter. The TLX has merits to justify it's existence besides it's straight line performance and if you approach it with the marketing out of mind and realize 90% of buyers of the Honda Accord or TLX in it's non S variant will ever really floor it (for fun) much less drag race at stop lights you can come to terms with the cars for what they are is all I'm saying. I mean in a bubble if I had to choose between the TLX and Accord both with the 2.0T I'd choose the TLX every time for the AWD.. half a second to 60 slower be damned. There is more to a car then it's straight line performance, if that's all cars were about we should all be on Tesla forums debating if that plaid edition can really get to 60 in under 2 seconds.
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Leomio20, you’re making shit up. Mark at the point you noted said nothing about aspect of speed. What he said was that the car was different than what he expected in that the engine did not feel like what you have come to expect from Honda. Maybe you should go back to 16:54 of the video and listen again to Mark’s response. Sheesh, it’s obvious you don’t like the Type S yet why you would try to create a negative narrative that could be so easily debunked is beyond me.
Uh, what? Skip to 19:15 where Mark says, in the nicest way he can, that the car isn't exactly fast "in a straight line." He then goes on to talk about how, thanks to the balance and handling of the vehicle, it's faster and more capable of putting all its power down in turns compared to competitors. So, again, compromise ... not great in a straight line, but makes up for it in the corners.
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Yeah, it's a shame in a way that so much value is placed on the 0-60 or straight line drags. It will at least be more interesting once people have the Type S in their hands, seeing exactly how much slower/faster it is then the competitors will be more interesting than watching the slow version of the TLX getting beat up by the faster version of the Accord. Lot more to a car then it's 0-60 straight line performance, the Type S isn't going to walk many performance minded cars but I still think overall it's going to be a pretty solid offering doomed to mockery because it's a 4.7s-5s car instead of a 4.5s one heh. On that same note I think the TLX in general is the nicest sedan Acura has put out in years and if you're not after performance I don't think you can go wrong with it. I've said it before here and elsewhere there really aren't many legitimately bad cars in the upper segments anymore, they are all great and it's going to come down to what pulls on your heart strings more.
It's probably because it's a tangible metric. When we see those numbers, we can grasp or have a concept of what they mean.

As for mocking the car because it's a few ticks off its competition ... I'll admit I'm guilty of the same. But, I mostly do it in contention of the opposite camp who were claiming the Type-S was going to come take the crown and act like Honda performance can't be beat ... and when they do (often), they start making excuses about how it'll be more reliable or other asinine excuses. Hailing Honda for making a revolutionary 3.0T V6, meanwhile the Germans were doing it for a number of years and all were able to get more power out of them ... but no, Honda was going to light the world on fire with this thing. It's a fool's errand though, as it's been proven nothing will sway their deep-rooted faith for Honda, their Lord and Savior.

If a car performs well and has an engine and drivetrain that are stout, I'm game. I'll never understand how or why people will defend to their graves a single brand who care nothing for them but their money. Honda, Toyota, GM, BMW, Audi, Mopar ... f*ck it. Build a great car, I couldn't care less the badge on it, I'll be interested. I mock these clowns who shit on other brands and throw undue praise at mediocrity simply because they have some inexplicable love for a corporation and are blinded by their own affinity.
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I watched the SG review a few days ago. Seems they really liked it, outside of manual shifting, which has never been a strong suit of Hondacura cars. They are best left in automatic mode, IMO. The Accord-TLX drag race a few posts above just makes the non-S seem disappointing if you are looking for performance. Having owned a recent Accord (manual), I will tell you that the Accord is a sleeper and massive bang for buck. Not that it matters, but the RLX Sport Hybrid beats all, and used is an amazing deal.

In any case, it's best to set expectations for the TLX as a nice luxury cruiser, and the Type S as an entertaining luxury cruiser with handling chops. If you like it, go for it! In my case, I am glad I didn't wait, and instead purchased a RLX. I'm already looking forward to the TLX MMC to see what Acura does. More power? digital screen? more responsive transmission? We'll see.


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