Acura TLX Type S Reviews/Discussion
06-18-2021, 08:38 AM
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Agreed. Though I'm running the risk of further belaboring non-TLX-S discussion in a TLX-S thread, I will state that there were more than a few 'missed opportunities' when it came to the 21 TLX 
...particularly where it comes to the A-Spec model, where features like more aggressive rubber and active dampers could have used to at least extend the model's handling prowess. And I still say they could have tweaked horsepower to 280-290 for the A-Spec as well; wouldn't have presented a major performance increase but it would at least be a little something above the regular model but well under the Type S.
...particularly where it comes to the A-Spec model, where features like more aggressive rubber and active dampers could have used to at least extend the model's handling prowess. And I still say they could have tweaked horsepower to 280-290 for the A-Spec as well; wouldn't have presented a major performance increase but it would at least be a little something above the regular model but well under the Type S.more HP. As you said, 285-295.
06-18-2021, 08:40 AM
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Agreed. Though I'm running the risk of further belaboring non-TLX-S discussion in a TLX-S thread, I will state that there were more than a few 'missed opportunities' when it came to the 21 TLX ...particularly where it comes to the A-Spec model, where features like more aggressive rubber and active dampers could have used to at least extend the model's handling prowess. And I still say they could have tweaked horsepower to 280-290 for the A-Spec as well; wouldn't have presented a major performance increase but it would at least be a little something above the regular model but well under the Type S.
...particularly where it comes to the A-Spec model, where features like more aggressive rubber and active dampers could have used to at least extend the model's handling prowess. And I still say they could have tweaked horsepower to 280-290 for the A-Spec as well; wouldn't have presented a major performance increase but it would at least be a little something above the regular model but well under the Type S.
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06-18-2021, 08:54 AM
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I just read a C&D article that says the 2021 Accord Sport 2.0T (0.89G) beat the 2021 TLX SH-AWD (0.87G) on the skidpad. I really can't understate how embarrassing that is - however you spin it, likely to blame the tires, which completely neutralize an otherwise undeniable systemic advantage. So much for all this "superior handling on rails in dry pavement" chatter. So we pay $2,000 extra to compensate for bad tires?
As someone without a vested interest in the Type S, I would at least expect it (with SH-AWD and decent OEM tires) to hang with some pretty stiff competition, including as one example, the Civic Type R (0.99G). Different classes? Sure. Both performance oriented though and one gets the benefit of SH-AWD.
As someone without a vested interest in the Type S, I would at least expect it (with SH-AWD and decent OEM tires) to hang with some pretty stiff competition, including as one example, the Civic Type R (0.99G). Different classes? Sure. Both performance oriented though and one gets the benefit of SH-AWD.
Changed the "summer Performance" tires on my 2006 TL 6MT for tires that actually were summer performance tires after the break-in mileage, Seems like transmissions, tires are another thing Acura has difficulty getting right but its stable mate & master does.FWIW the Type R is one of the best handling cars made today that is not a track day special. It does get a break by being a smaller lighter car, Weight is not your frie on a skidpad.
My Z4 (3535lbs) RWD which runs a version of the M340 suspension with bigger tires 225/255 - 255/285 did1.02 while the bigger heavier M340 (3913lbs) RWD does 0.96. The TLX-S needs to score in the mid/upper 0.90's to be effective against the cars that Acura marketing says it will compete with. S4 0.95, M340 0.96, C43AMG 93.
06-18-2021, 04:19 PM
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A bit off topic, but I wonder how soon I'll see some a-hole in a Type-S with optional wheels with summer tires get stuck in the snow because they're too ignorant to realize that AWD doesn't overcome summer compound in snow.
I still remember 6 or so years ago when there was a pretty big snow storm forecast. Passed by some jabroni in a Carrera 4S stuck on the interstate that couldn't make it up a gradual incline. Wide, max summer tires in the snow? I don't even know why you would take that car out when there's snow forecast ... but especially with (what I assume) were factory tires.
I still remember 6 or so years ago when there was a pretty big snow storm forecast. Passed by some jabroni in a Carrera 4S stuck on the interstate that couldn't make it up a gradual incline. Wide, max summer tires in the snow? I don't even know why you would take that car out when there's snow forecast ... but especially with (what I assume) were factory tires.
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06-18-2021, 05:04 PM
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Looks like the Type S has some form of launch control. 2100 rpm isn't that high, but it's something I guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Acura/comme...m_source=share
https://www.reddit.com/r/Acura/comme...m_source=share
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06-18-2021, 05:55 PM
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Looks like the Type S has some form of launch control. 2100 rpm isn't that high, but it's something I guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Acura/comme...m_source=share
https://www.reddit.com/r/Acura/comme...m_source=share
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06-18-2021, 06:34 PM
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6G TLX-S
So 2100 rpm launch is plausible as long as there is minimal turbo lag.
06-18-2021, 07:19 PM
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06-18-2021, 10:32 PM
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This is above me as I've never had a car with launch control or read much about it but if peak torque starts at 1550RPM and it launches at 2100RPM and builds boost there what would be the advantage of another 1000RPM? If 2100RPM is the same as 3000RPM as far as torque is concerned would it make a tangible difference?
06-18-2021, 10:46 PM
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This is above me as I've never had a car with launch control or read much about it but if peak torque starts at 1550RPM and it launches at 2100RPM and builds boost there what would be the advantage of another 1000RPM? If 2100RPM is the same as 3000RPM as far as torque is concerned would it make a tangible difference?
06-18-2021, 11:56 PM
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06-19-2021, 12:10 AM
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I'm always confused about torque and horsepower.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
06-19-2021, 12:28 AM
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I'm always confused about torque and horsepower.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
06-19-2021, 01:09 AM
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Man.. the shit dealers will say, did he really suggest that the point of the button shift selector is to not grind gears? As if the standard drive selector isn't electric like the push button ones these days lol..
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06-19-2021, 02:00 AM
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I'm not an expert but I think it's that torque at the wheels is different than just torque output from the engine and torque at the wheels is a combination of the two. I could be wrong but my mind always by default goes to torque = acceleration hp = top end speed as well even though it's probably not 100% accurate.
Torque at the wheels
Should you ever get a chance to drive a Turbo with a manual (pretty rare now) try releasing at 1200,1500, 2000 3000 for a practical demo. You can do the same with an AT but the torque converter adds another layer to the math. With BMW LC (3000) my car will not hold traction on 285X35X19 Michlen PSS summer tires & does a nice set of 11's with expensive rubber. Plan is forget the LC & power brake at 2000.
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06-19-2021, 07:30 AM
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06-20-2021, 12:43 AM
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06-21-2021, 06:07 AM
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We may see an instrumented test by Car and Driver this week but, I’d rather see a segment comparo. 
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06-21-2021, 03:45 PM
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I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Typically the review comes out right as the cars hit dealers. Just look at the 2022 Civic. Hit dealers last week. Same time as all the major reviews came out.
06-21-2021, 10:02 PM
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So, IF I like the Type S...after testing the '21 "show and tell unit" that will arrive within a week....I will place an order on the first batch so I can take delivery
before end of year. Many at my dealer..buyers....have decided to do the same. MORE inventory will be avail...or "allocations." Depending on the dealer
and their past record of sales, etc.
06-22-2021, 12:11 AM
#428
6G TLX-S
The transmission match-rev downshift sounds sounded exceptionally good. They sounded like a Touring Cup race car match-rev downshifts a couple gears preparing to attack a tight corner.
06-22-2021, 08:02 AM
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06-22-2021, 09:04 AM
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I'm always confused about torque and horsepower.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
It is torque that accelerates the car, and horsepower gives the car the top speed.
For cars with high-tech small displacement engines that generate very little low-end torque, but massive hp towards the redline, they need to be launched at as high a rpm as possible for maximum torque output . However, for cars with large displacement engines (even the old low-tech push-rod V8 muscle engines) or force-induction engines that generate tons of low end torque, there is no need to launch at as high rpm since maximum torque is readily available starting at merely 1,500 rpm.
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06-22-2021, 12:04 PM
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06-22-2021, 01:52 PM
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Looks like molybdenum coated piston side skirts. SJ had some engine pics as well, the amount of ancillary plumping on top of the motor looks similar to German engines.
The block looks similar to a J-series with open deck Siamese cylinders, curious if it's a derivative block in the J-series.
The block looks similar to a J-series with open deck Siamese cylinders, curious if it's a derivative block in the J-series.
06-22-2021, 02:48 PM
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06-22-2021, 03:10 PM
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Comments under that drive video say dealers are already asking for 5-6000 dollars over MSRP wtf LOL good luck
06-22-2021, 03:45 PM
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06-22-2021, 05:44 PM
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Curious why these upset you. One we've had in the J35 since the early 2000's and the 3.0T has VVT which is most of what VTEC is. Don't want to get to technical about it just curious why if you otherwise liked the numbers that lack of VTEC and just standard VVT is a deal breaker.
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06-23-2021, 07:56 AM
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Waiting for the the ILX replacement and RDX MMC. This year will be a transitioning year for Acura brand. The year 2022 will be interesting to see
06-23-2021, 02:45 PM
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Clearly this shows that Honda and Acura have done their home work. And as I always say, this is just the beginning. We all know that Acura fell behind after the GFC. But now they are on the right track. The RDX is on its 3rd year with zero updates and pushing 50,000+ units per year, even the 3rd Gen MDX was a top seller in its segment after 6-7 years. Now, we have the new TLX, MDX and the TYPE S. Acura will definitely give to their customers that premium vehicle with reliability and decent price.
Waiting for the the ILX replacement and RDX MMC. This year will be a transitioning year for Acura brand. The year 2022 will be interesting to see
Waiting for the the ILX replacement and RDX MMC. This year will be a transitioning year for Acura brand. The year 2022 will be interesting to see