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You might want to double check that. On the 330i, the M Sport package is only:
Shadowline exterior trim
19" M Double-spoke bi-color jet black wheels
M steering wheel
That's it. What you're probably thinking of is the Dynamic Handling package, which is a separate option.
I could be wrong but the 330i isn’t what the Type S is going against. Mentioning the M sport package with that car is pointless that car is supposed to match up with the 4 cylinder TLX. The M340i has larger brakes , LSD, and other M car parts.
I could be wrong but the 330i isn’t what the Type S is going against. Mentioning the M sport package with that car is pointless that car is supposed to match up with the 4 cylinder TLX. The M340i has larger brakes , LSD, and other M car parts.
I think the discussion is about appearance packages. Neither the M340i nor Type S has an apperance pacakge because it's already been baked in. Hence why the topic is on packages like the S-Line, M Sport, A-Spec, etc. And again, nothing I said was wrong; it seems like you're confusing M Performance with the M Sport package.
I think the discussion is about appearance packages. Neither the M340i nor Type S has an apperance pacakge because it's already been baked in. Hence why the topic is on packages like the S-Line, M Sport, A-Spec, etc. And again, nothing I said was wrong; it seems like you're confusing M Performance with the M Sport package.
There is an appearance package for the M340 and 330, it’s called the shadow line package which blacks out all the cerium parts and offers a different grille etc. you also can order M performance parts like side skirts front lip , rear diffuser etc. I have it. I don’t know about the M sport package because this is my first BMW and I don’t have a 330.
There is an appearance package for the M340 and 330, it’s called the shadow line package which blacks out all the cerium parts and offers a different grille etc. you also can order M performance parts like side skirts front lip , rear diffuser etc. I have it. I don’t know about the M sport package because this is my first BMW and I don’t have a 330.
Well, the guy you replied to was specifically talking about how the M Sport package is just an appearance package, which is true. No need to call him wrong when he’s right, and then change the subject to the M Performance cars.
Well, the guy you replied to was specifically talking about how the M Sport package is just an appearance package, which is true. No need to call him wrong when he’s right, and then change the subject to the M Performance cars.
I obviously wasn’t the only one who wasn’t seeing what you saw because I see another person Bear responded in a similar manner so.
No…he clearly saw (and knows) the distinction between the M Sport package and M Performance. I think it’s just you that didn’t know the difference.
This is my understanding based on past cars, Things can change based on marketing decisions. Also my old farts brain may have mixed some in package & out of package items.
My 335is was a limited model 5000 units over three years that contained all the performance upgrades, horsepower, brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, 7DCT in one package. Only performance item available it did not have standard was an LSD. Was a 2011 3 series coupe that had numbers that would standup OK today. - C&D Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec, Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 mph & Road holding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93G. Only stock car I EVER beat C&D's numbers at the drags. One run was 13.0. on a separate run did 110 but lost .5 in ET.
435 was an M-Sport Coupe has the facia trim & other look good stuff. Also had specific performance package called M-Performance Package (MPPK/PE) Had more power 335BHP vs 300BHP through a BMW factory flash & different intake system. As separate package it had Steering, M-Brakes & Adaptive suspension & 19" wheels & tires. Standalone Performance exhaust (PE) About 4.2 to 60.
440 was an M-Sport Coupe trim facia etc with an M-Performance & Sound Kit (MPPSK). Increased car’s power by 35 hp to 355hp and 39 lb-ft of torque to 369 lb-ft & also bundled with a higher flowing, valve controlled exhaust for maximum performance. Steering, Brakes, Adaptive suspension, 19"wheels & tires were additional item on the car. About 4.0 to 60.
Z4 M40i Everything is baked in including LSD & there are no performance options except a no charge red or blue color choice on the brakes. Options are all comfort, information & safety items.
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No…he clearly saw (and knows) the distinction between the M Sport package and M Performance. I think it’s just you that didn’t know the difference.
Every year things change with BMW they interchange “Packages” M performance” parts can be purchased for all models and it’s not all performance related BMW has bled M sport with M performance.
Every year things change with BMW they interchange “Packages” M performance” parts can be purchased for all models and it’s not all performance related BMW has bled M sport with M performance.
Its terminology thing. If you buy an M-Sport today you get the better IMHO facia & other trim etc, including now M-wheels & M-steering wheel which I was not aware of since my last coupe was the 2018 440. To that you can add M-Parts according to the option list.
I listed what were the M-Performance packages that existed through the E & F series cars. This actually changed the performance level of the car through hardware & software changes. Bottom line was a base M-Performance car was faster & handled better than a base M-Sport car. For the current G series it looks like they rolled most of the performance items including the LSD in a separate sub model sold as an MXXX. As I said below my Z4 has no performance options as they are all part of the car.
On the 330 if you click on the M-Sport option you will see the facia change to the one used on the M340 & as was listed is the external package. But no real performance upgrades as part of the M-Sport package. Copied the following from the configurator. You can get the handling package as an option which is a good buy.
M Sport
Motorsport Form
Shadowline exterior trim
19" M Double-spoke bi-color jet black wheels
M steering wheel
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 07-07-2021 at 11:04 AM.
Love how he scooched the front seat so far forward in order to make the claim that the car has more legroom than the BMW. No...it has about the same combined legroom. Comparable to the Stinger GT? It's down about 2 inches...so no. With his height there is no way he's fitting comfortably behind himself. When he's in the front seats, you can see that the seatback is behind the B-pillar (his shoulder are in line with the B-pillar), but when he's filming from the back seats suddenly the front seats are in line with the B-pillars. That's at least 2-3 inches worth of movement.
I think it's going to depend on the launch. Some of his drag races have raised some eyebrows because the results are not consistent with what the magazine tests have shown, and the prevaling theory is that one of the drivers can't launch for shit. I'd take any results (good and bad) with a grain of salt unless they use Launch Control to factor out driver error.
Originally Posted by SamCarLegion
I didn’t say it’s fast as a mustang but we were shocked at the initial launch of the K5 GT, haven’t posted the video yet. We all expected the stang to just smoke the fwd 290 bhp dct K5 but the K5 GT had a better launch, at mid section things changed. Sometimes what they say on paper doesn’t translate in real life tests, like fuel economy.
Yeah, if you have a FWD Kia with no LSD that launches better than a RWD Mustang GT, it means whoever is driving the Mustang needs to learn how to launch it, and any results can and should be called into question.
I think it's going to depend on the launch. Some of his drag races have raised some eyebrows because the results are not consistent with what the magazine tests have shown, and the prevaling theory is that one of the drivers can't launch for shit.
Yeah, drivers aside it felt to me like the S4 launched better off the line but they otherwise felt nearly identical. Feelings are extremely deceptive though.
I think it's going to depend on the launch. Some of his drag races have raised some eyebrows because the results are not consistent with what the magazine tests have shown, and the prevaling theory is that one of the drivers can't launch for shit.
One of the YT comments suggested to add draggy figures to support the races, but he denied saying it complicates things. At the very least, he can add numbers for solo 0-60 at the track to compare environment (and to show if drivers are launching +/- correctly).
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More than anything, it's exciting to see the hype and buzz around the TYPE S. People are actually waiting for the premier. Results will be subjective even if TYPE S wins. We won't have the full detail of his tests. Redline reviews showed that the TYPE S won. I still don't take that 100% serious.
One of the YT comments suggested to add draggy figures to support the races, but he denied saying it complicates things. At the very least, he can add numbers for solo 0-60 at the track to compare environment (and to show if drivers are launching correctly).
Lame excuse. I bet he's probaby just scared to show that the numbers would be all over the place from test to test. This is the same guy that said the RC-F is "slow as fck" so I'm not sure what kind of credibility he really has.
Haven't watched the video yet but I bet you whichver car Sam is in will lose the launch. From his other vidoes it looks like he just doesn't know how to launch or use launch control.
Long story short, S4 wins (eventually in comfort) in all modes. And unlike what he says, it's not "slightly" in sport mode. He was referring slightly to comfort mode, but S4 comes back to take the win.
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Stick a fork in it......way way over hyped. Looks like Jon Ikeda did it again. Had hoped for worse was a dead heat. This is the same model Audi that got blown away in the other all German drag vid.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
Haven't watched the video yet but I bet you whichver car Sam is in will lose the launch. From his other vidoes it looks like he just doesn't know how to launch or use launch control.
Sam sucks as a driver they why they asked for & got a driver switch in this one. That said even with him blowing the launch the Audi still drove around the Type-S
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 07-07-2021 at 12:20 PM.
Haven't watched the video yet but I bet you whichver car Sam is in will lose the launch. From his other vidoes it looks like he just doesn't know how to launch or use launch control.
LOL called it. Dude needs to take lessons from the other driver. Love how he blames it on not having any boost.
About what I expected, surprised the S4 is so much faster from a roll the seat of the pants feel seemed very very close in that regard.
From my test drive I thought the S4 pulled harder, but not by that much more. Definitely thought it would be a bit closer, but geeze, the S4 walked the Type S like the M340i walks the S4.
From my test drive I thought the S4 pulled harder, but not by that much more. Definitely thought it would be a bit closer, but geeze, the S4 walked the Type S like the M340i walks the S4.
Yeah looked like the same race with one different car.
Can't really imagine how it happened. I had guessed the Type-S at least equal to the S4 back when we were all speculating. Someone should can the entire marketing department for the hype parade.
Clue was when the YouTubers got first shot at the car before the normal auto press.
Any chance the Vid will put a dent in the ADM's ? Might be a good thing for the guys who want to buy the car.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 07-07-2021 at 12:43 PM.
From my test drive I thought the S4 pulled harder, but not by that much more. Definitely thought it would be a bit closer, but geeze, the S4 walked the Type S like the M340i walks the S4.
I suspected it pulled harder but yeah the feel was so very close I considered it a coin flip. All three of those cars probably have a half second gap between them in the 1/4 mile then. 340i>S4>TLX-S. A drag just really shows you what a half second looks like. Seeing the S4 take it for a walk doesn't change my opinion on the car very much but I've always had the attitude of this is the TLX to buy if you already liked the TLX and just want the more fun version of it. It's still a fairly quick car, quick car vs quicker car drag, 340i is is just plain fast and will light them both up ha. Makes my debate between them (S4/TLX) a bit harder though but I still think they are close enough that deciding between them shouldn't be based on performance alone but man idk. Problem for another day.
From my test drive I thought the S4 pulled harder, but not by that much more. Definitely thought it would be a bit closer, but geeze, the S4 walked the Type S like the M340i walks the S4.
That's why I typically bitch when someone uses feelings in a debate. You have to use numbers, Dragy at a minimum, when driving different cars that are pretty close in performance. One of the things manufactures do with slugs is put more of the throttle opening at the start of the peddle push. Makes a car feel peppy.
Think if they sell enough cars their could be a market for the Honda tuners to exploit. Can't imagine this engine will not show up in more cars.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 07-07-2021 at 01:02 PM.
FFS, Ikeda won just by putting the TLX back in the conversation yet not totally offending the sensibilities of the bean counters entrenched at Honda corporate.
FFS, Ikeda won just by putting the TLX back in the conversation yet not totally offending the sensibilities of the bean counters entrenched at Honda corporate.
Yeah, Ikeda won because Honda wants that detuned 3.0T in its Pilot/Ridgeline Touring models yesterday, almost free engineering
FFS, Ikeda won just by putting the TLX back in the conversation yet not totally offending the sensibilities of the bean counters entrenched at Honda corporate.
Two steps forward and one step back. Could have done without all the hype and superlatives that the car is undeserving of. It's a good car, I liked it when I drove it, but it's nowhere near as good as they've made it out to be.
Holy crap. I thought the S4 would take it, but I didn't think it would absolutely freight train it. Yea, 100% off the list. Value proposition my ass ... the thing was absolutely gapped by the S4. The old saying remains true ... you get what you pay for. The Type-S should start at under $50k with how far behind its performance is. You literally had every car you were competing against available to bench mark against, and it still doesn't compete. What an absolute letdown.
If you want something faster than the standard TLX 2.0T and refuse to look outside Acura, that's the only reason to buy this car.
It's even more sad the people who would/have paid mark-up on these things ...
So Acura lied because at the Track event with the media the Type S was beating the S4.
Oh so you mean to tell me that an Acura event, which was an all paid expense for auto journalist, that the S4 lost because it was meant to lose? Like a rigged drag race?!
Holy crap. I thought the S4 would take it, but I didn't think it would absolutely freight train it. Yea, 100% off the list. Value proposition my ass ... the thing was absolutely gapped by the S4. The old saying remains true ... you get what you pay for. The Type-S should start at under $50k with how far behind its performance is. You literally had every car you were competing against available to bench mark against, and it still doesn't compete. What an absolute letdown.
If you want something faster than the standard TLX 2.0T and refuse to look outside Acura, that's the only reason to buy this car.
It's even more sad the people who would/have paid mark-up on these things ...
If every car purchase decision is based on a drag race, why would anyone buy any vehicle other than M340i in this class?
Oh so you mean to tell me that an Acura event, which was an all paid expense for auto journalist, that the S4 lost because it was meant to lose? Like a rigged drag race?!
I didn't read any press notes, but the only one I saw who posted a drag test was Redline Reviews, and you could clearly see the front end of the S4 dipping as the driver was letting off the gas, likely also in Comfort mode. But, you still had the fanboys screaming, "We won! Honda FTW! Can't beat Honda engines, brah!"
The IS500 is going to make this thing look silly as well ... and none of the cucks can talk about how the Type-S is going to be "more reliable" (on a completely untested engine and a drivetrain that hasn't had as much power put thru it until now).
Well this gives a good perspective of what would happen if a TYPE S owner dares to go up against a M340i, Q50 RS400, C43 or G70 3.3T. Wont be nice! Also does anyone know why any of the major mags have did a road test of the TYPE S yet?
If every car purchase decision is based on a drag race, why would anyone buy any vehicle other than M340i in this class?
Exactly if the only metric that matters is speed then the BMW is bar none the car to buy in the 50-65k segment. The TLX-S vs S4 is a different conversation because I don't think buyers considering either of them is looking for best performance per dollar else the 340i is the only answer.
I know some are outraged that the Audi is faster or fell for marketing hype but you know at the end of the day, both of those cars are under 5s to 60 and 13-13.5s 1/4 mile cars, that's not exactly slow. The S4 looks like it has a half second on the TLX-S or so, it's also about ten grand less by time you option the Audi to be comparable. Still a tough call between those two IMO and honestly that's a bit of an achievement for Acura considering the absolute garbage they had on showroom floors just a couple years ago.
If every car purchase decision is based on a drag race, why would anyone buy any vehicle other than M340i in this class?
LOL...if Type-S won in the (posted) drags, it's Hondas power and some probably got jizzed in the pants . Since it lost the races, it's not everything when you buy the cars. 😄
Amazing! Great race. At least people saw now that The TYPE S is slower than S4. At least this will help them to focus on S4, 340, Genesis and C43. Sam is the man, he made everyone's life easier
07-06-2021, 06:13 PM
