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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'd love to track it but learning on a 430hp RWD muscle car is a sure fire way of crashing it. Learning on something smaller and slower is a good place to start before making your way up to racing a high hp car.
you can even have instructors sit with you. they'll yell out commands and you learn your car around a track.
plus, if you're a beginner, they pair you with other novices on the track as well. Cant pass each other, etc.
so, its not like you're going balls to the walls on your very first run.

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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 02:50 PM
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I know people who track COTA just for fun.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 03:12 PM
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
you can even have instructors sit with you. they'll yell out commands and you learn your car around a track.
plus, if you're a beginner, they pair you with other novices on the track as well. Cant pass each other, etc.
so, its not like you're going balls to the walls on your very first run.
I know but I'd rather do it right and make my way up. That's why I plan to get an S2k first before I buy a Mustang or something like it. That and the S2k won't depreciate like a...well...like a Ford.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I know but I'd rather do it right and make my way up. That's why I plan to get an S2k first before I buy a Mustang or something like it. That and the S2k won't depreciate like a...well...like a Ford.
Depreciate doesn't matter as much if you never plan to sell it, I guess
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'd love to track it but learning on a 430hp RWD muscle car is a sure fire way of crashing it. Learning on something smaller and slower is a good place to start before making your way up to racing a high hp car.
did you guys see/hear about the 27-yr old who crashed his McLaren P1 less than 24 hours into ownership.........

it ain't pretty
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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did you guys see/hear about the 27-yr old who crashed his McLaren P1 less than 24 hours into ownership.........

it ain't pretty
Was either out way too late or up way too early. Probably to drive like an asshole. Hit wet pavement, lost control, busted up his brand new McLaren.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I know but I'd rather do it right and make my way up. That's why I plan to get an S2k first before I buy a Mustang or something like it. That and the S2k won't depreciate like a...well...like a Ford.
That's the thing. There's no clear right way to do it. We are not racing anyone at the track. haha

Learning how to drive at the track in a s2k is not any easier nor harder to do than in a Mustang.

Depreciation. I don't talk about it for a car. Every car pretty much depreciate in some way and you gotta pay to play.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:41 PM
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Saw it. Don't care. Rich people don't equate to being smart?
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ
That's the thing. There's no clear right way to do it. We are not racing anyone at the track. haha

Learning how to drive at the track in a s2k is not any easier nor harder to do than in a Mustang.

Depreciation. I don't talk about it for a car. Every car pretty much depreciate in some way and you gotta pay to play.
Yup. Unless you're BoostedJack-rich and buy Ferraris which usually appreciate in value.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:48 PM
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Yup. Unless you're BoostedJack-rich and buy Ferraris which usually appreciate in value.
LOL. Yep. At that point, they would say "depreciation? what is that?"
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ
LOL. Yep. At that point, they would say "depreciation? what is that?"
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ
LOL. Yep. At that point, they would say "depreciation? what is that?"
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Oh, they *know* what depreciation is; they claim it on their tax returns every year.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Oh, they *know* what depreciation is; they claim it on their tax returns every year.
BoostedJack's tax return is the equivalent of the US' GNP value.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
BoostedJack's tax return is the equivalent of the US' GNP value.
That's all? That seems small for BoostedJack.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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I miss BoostedJack. At least he was funny.

Now we have to put up with sk2djoaisjetshit
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
That's all? That seems small for BoostedJack.
I was trying to be conservative.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Depreciate doesn't matter as much if you never plan to sell it, I guess
It matters when you wreck it. Ask me how I know.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
I know people who track COTA just for fun.
Lies! Last track day I saw was about $5k / car.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 09:19 PM
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 09:21 PM
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ATS-V is supposedly in the 3.6s 0-60 range.. If the metrics on the vid are right, I think that's about right. Fucking 100 mph in 8 seconds.. that's near GT-R range. Shit.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 09:23 PM
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Hellcat, GT350, ATS-V... ugh. Going to start street pharmacology and open an urban hammer brokerage firm.. Anybody know a good method to cooking blue crystal?
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 09:54 PM
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I do. Wire me $100k and I'll set everything up.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
ATS-V is supposedly in the 3.6s 0-60 range.. If the metrics on the vid are right, I think that's about right. Fucking 100 mph in 8 seconds.. that's near GT-R range. Shit.
Cadillac claims it can do 0-60 in 4 seconds, & I assume 100 in likely 10 or so which is right on par with its competitors

The times your citing would put it dead on the heels of the Z06 (3.2/7.2) with 200Hp/Tq less & 150lbs. more. I don't see GM letting it get quite that close.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Lies! Last track day I saw was about $5k / car.
There's a group rate. A Facebook friend of mine posted a video of him driving COTA in his M3. Dude spent most of the time flicking off the Ferraris passing him.
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Old Dec 2, 2014 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick_TL-S
Cadillac claims it can do 0-60 in 4 seconds, & I assume 100 in likely 10 or so which is right on par with its competitors

The times your citing would put it dead on the heels of the Z06 (3.2/7.2) with 200Hp/Tq less & 150lbs. more. I don't see GM letting it get quite that close.
Their site says <4 s.. high 3's?

ATS V-Series | Cadillac

I disagree on the Z06 sentiments.. I mean look at the Z28. If they had that mentality, the Z28 wouldn't be as badass as it is and that's their own brand. The CTS/ATS-V reaches for the other demographic as well.. the guys that need to haul around customers/kids/hookers. Tough to get 3 hos in a vette. Plus there's another twin turbo v6 that weighs 700 lbs more than the z06 and puts lengths on it from a dig.

Plus the numbers I quoted are just observational from the vid, mid 3's is just speculative. Unless they manipulated the playback, it's definitely in the 3's and 8's region. The vid is from Cadillac. Sure it's heavier and less power, but there's another turbo v6 with 700 lbs on the z06 that whips it from a dig.. not apples to apples.. but it's if they learned anything from their competitors, the extra weight might help.

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There's a group rate. A Facebook friend of mine posted a video of him driving COTA in his M3. Dude spent most of the time flicking off the Ferraris passing him.
Probably my coworker in the 458..
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 12:00 AM
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Here's a snippet of the last email I received from COTA regarding track rental:

Exclusive Track Rentals include:
  • Use of full Grand Prix Circuit driven by Formula 1 and MotoGP drivers
  • Full day access to Pits, Paddock, 10 Garages, 1 Team Building Classroom, 1 Paddock Club Loft
  • VIP extras
  • Catered breakfast and lunch
  • Full-day private track experience: $55,000

idk if there's a limit to the number of cars / drivers with the track rental, but for $55k.. better be a few clubs chipping in.
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 12:10 AM
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I did a conservative capture on the vid and I returned a 3.7s 0-60 and 8.7s 0-100.

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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Their site says <4 s.. high 3's?

ATS V-Series | Cadillac
450+ HP • 440+ lb.-ft.TORQUE
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The ATS-V arrives next spring, powered by the first-ever twin-turbocharged engine in a V-Series. Rated at an estimated 455 horsepower (339 kW) and 445 lb-ft of torque (603 Nm), the engine is the segment's highest-output six-cylinder and enables 0-60 performance in 3.9 seconds and a top speed of more than 185 mph. It is backed by a six-speed manual – with Active Rev Match, no-lift shifting and launch control – or a paddle-shift eight-speed automatic transmission featuring launch control and Performance Algorithm Shift.
3.9 is a 4 second 0-60.


Plus the numbers I quoted are just observational from the vid, mid 3's is just speculative. Unless they manipulated the playback, it's definitely in the 3's and 8's region. The vid is from Cadillac. Sure it's heavier and less power, but there's another turbo v6 with 700 lbs on the z06 that whips it from a dig.. not apples to apples.. but it's if they learned anything from their competitors, the extra weight might help.
Or, it's you trying to compare the speed to YouTube?
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 01:44 AM
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wow at the ATS-V!! :holler:


Also yeah come to think of it more, pretty sure you can't just prance over to a F1 track and do laps for any reasonable amount of money. Those would be the smaller mostly unknown tracks.
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I know but I'd rather do it right and make my way up. That's why I plan to get an S2k first before I buy a Mustang or something like it. That and the S2k won't depreciate like a...well...like a Ford.
omg! you're such a puss!

you mean to tell me if you had a free GT350 and Free class/track time to learn the car, you wouldnt do it?

auto manufactures do provide special track day packages that let you have fun with the car.
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Lies! Last track day I saw was about $5k / car.
that's why I added the "just for fun" part.

its crazy expensive just to go.
dont you dare, fuck up the grass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its like $10k if you drive through the grass. lol
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Depreciate doesn't matter as much if you never plan to sell it, I guess
I'd sell it eventually. I like my things to actually be worth something. If I didn't care, I'd buy a BMW E63 M6 that's ~4 years old knowing that it would depreciate by $10k a year every year until the car didn't function anymore (which may be sooner rather than later).

Originally Posted by srika
did you guys see/hear about the 27-yr old who crashed his McLaren P1 less than 24 hours into ownership.........

it ain't pretty
psh. I've crashed more expensive cars before I turned 25.

Actually, no. The only car I've crashed is a 1997 Honda and I didn't even total it.

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That's the thing. There's no clear right way to do it. We are not racing anyone at the track. haha

Learning how to drive at the track in a s2k is not any easier nor harder to do than in a Mustang.

Depreciation. I don't talk about it for a car. Every car pretty much depreciate in some way and you gotta pay to play.
I know, but being a total newb at driving on a track I would feel better with a slower car lol. Besides, the S2k is cheaper.

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omg! you're such a puss!

you mean to tell me if you had a free GT350 and Free class/track time to learn the car, you wouldnt do it?

auto manufactures do provide special track day packages that let you have fun with the car.
I'll do it if you buy me one. If we're talking free cars, I'd learn how to drive on a track with a 458 Speciale if you're offering.
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick_TL-S
3.9 is a 4 second 0-60.



Or, it's you trying to compare the speed to YouTube?
So.. 10.9 1/4 run is a 11 second car?

I didn't use the youtube timer, I used a stopwatch.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.. it's a fucking twin turbo 3.6.. that only means it'll get faster.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
that's why I added the "just for fun" part.

its crazy expensive just to go.
dont you dare, fuck up the grass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its like $10k if you drive through the grass. lol
Keep off the grass..
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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btw.. there's hardly any grass at COTA.. unless you jetison your vehicle into the viewing lawns.
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stay off the grass!

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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'll do it if you buy me one. If we're talking free cars, I'd learn how to drive on a track with a 458 Speciale if you're offering.
it sounds like you dont trust your driving skills.
keep off the track, then.
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 09:59 AM
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stay off the grass!
like I said.. hardly any
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Old Dec 3, 2014 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
So.. 10.9 1/4 run is a 11 second car?

I didn't use the youtube timer, I used a stopwatch.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.. it's a fucking twin turbo 3.6.. that only means it'll get faster.
I need a 10 second car....
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