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^^^
The only impact it may have had was people who look up fuel ecomony and see the FWD ratings not realizing it was FWD. Literally, we don't order or get requests for the FWD RDX here. Sales have definitely picked up since it's introduction back in mid 06 but it's more a factor of the vehicle getting more equipment that people wanted and the car "catching on" as a whole. As a side note, it's very difficult to get a TL with the HPT option here, I think I've seen 3 of them since 2004 and 1 was forced on us from the auto show. It doesn't make sense for us to have a car we can only sell 8 months out of the year. But, this has been a

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Back on the subject of the 2011 TSX. Acura recently announced that the cargo space of the wagon is actually smaller than previously advertised. Instead of 31.5 cubic feet behind the 2nd row it has now been determined that there is only 25.8 cubic feet.

Colin

Well, since thread discipline was never a strong suit here, did you also notice that the build out for 2011 TL is starting in Jan? No HPT models in that MOVE

I did see that, I wonder how such a mistake could happen. At least they caught it before we sold any....

lightjak_tsx

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I hope it's not too off topic, but what does a TSX sedan automatic do in the 0-60? Or at least what have magazines been getting (can't find any tests of the automatic)?

Will Y.

Looks like the 4-cylinder 5AT 2009+ gets there in mid-8's, while the manual is low-7s.
http://www.insideline.com/acura/tsx/...acura-tsx.html
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/tsx/2009/road-test.html

The V6 TSX is in the high-5 second/low 6-second neighborhood.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Ouch that's worse than I thought. C/D got 6.7 0-60 for a TSX stick so I figured maybe 7.5 for a TSX automatic, since that's in line with the quickest automatic family cars with a 4-cyl.

Shift_Acura

I dont think its bad at all.

Motortrend:

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I think it's pretty clear I was NOT talking about a V-6 TSX.

Will Y.

C&D usually gets the best 0-60 because its testers are willing to drop clutches at pretty high RPM (note MT's 7.0 second 0-60).
OTOH, Edmunds and a few other publications usually are very conservative and will not brake torque an automatic for 0-60 runs, while C&D does that as a matter of course in its attempts to get the best 0-60.

The TSX is a fairly hefty car for a 4-cylinder with 170 lbs. torque and a 5AT, which does not help the 0-60. I personally think the TSX loses a lot of its character with a 5AT instead of a 6M.
FWIW, I found the 1G TSX 6M to be a nice, very responsive sporty sedan, while the 5AT version was pretty pedestrian/boring to drive.

SSFTSX

0-60 timing is not that hard to measure. just use cellular phone stop watch on hand . i have done it in under 7.5 seconds but mine has lighter rims/tire combo.

iforyou

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If you drive it like C/D does, you will probably get it right at 8s?

Belzebutt

C&D also uses a 1ft rollout which further cuts it down. Their times also vary greatly depending on weather conditions so one day the TSX might get 8.5 and the next time it could get 9.0. Their figures are much more meaningful when cars are tested in a comparo, or when you average their figures from a few tests.

For example, for the A4 2.0T they got between 5.7 and 6.5.

Will Y.

Could be-- Dan Neil on the 2011 5AT 4 cyl. TSX wagon: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...448812434.html

Shift_Acura

If there was a V6 it would cost more, if there was a SH-AWD version it would cost even more. People always complaining about the power but no one is willing to pay up. How many V6 TSX's did they sell?

pttl

Do I hear the H/A Fanclub Defense Team running to the rescue?

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

The problem with the TSX V-6 is that they priced it right on top of the roomier, slightly fancier TL 2WD.

Colin

Yes, there are big advantages to North American production.

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Which always makes me wonder if they continue to grow the TSX sales, will we see a plant in North America that produces TSX's.

biker

There was talk that the next USDM Accord and Euro Accord are supposed to share a platform so that could certainly happen. The Yen/$ exchange rate would certainly encourage Honda to do so.

Legend2TL

I think it's possible since HoA requested to HoJ to make the North American assembly lines more modular and adaptable for multiple platforms. IIRC this allowed Civic production to occur in Ohio and Alabama (?) when demand during the last gas crisis was high. Ontario and Alabama also share tooling and presses for the light truck platforms.

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Anything is possible but I also wonder if it would be a good idea. I used to be someone who was a firm believer in the "buy a Japanese Honda not an American Honda" theory and over the past 3 years had let it go a bit but I think I'm getting back on the wagon with the wagon. 3 of the last 4 early production models I've witnessed (07 MDX, 07 RDX, 10 ZDX) I picked apart on fit and finish. Inconsistent body panel gap, fish eyes in the paint, minor interior issues were easily noticable to me and I'm pretty sure that most Aziners would have picked up on them as well. The one exception to this was the 2011 TSX wagon in which I couldn't find one flaw. Maybe it's because it's not really a new model since the body has existed for a couple years in Europe but I was again impressed with the fit & finish of a very low VIN new vehicle. So I guess what I'm saying is it could be both a good and bad thing if the TSX production were moved to the states.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Since GM, Ford, and Chrysler are doing it, I wouldn't be surprised to have Honda do it.

SSFTSX

TSX still lacks push button start, upgraded interior, LED at price of TL. These things are alteast $2k to $3k. Since production costs of TSX will be lower due to greater volume. TSX/EuroAccord is exported to whole world from Japan.
If they centralize its productin in US for whole world with diesels/hybrid/SH-AWD. they can derive better value for US/Canadian customers in 3G TSX.

Legend2TL

Although I love my 3G TL there are several things that have annoyed me some. Most related to rattles and quality of plastics. I think it's mostly a Honda Ohio manufacturing problem.

Two of rattles were due to a missing bolt (on a bracket near the HVAC filter) and lack of two clips for the center front speaker. Just basic sloppy assembly work. The plastic issue is the quality of some of the plastic components for the interior. My neighbor has a 2004 Accord and after the car was rear-ended, the body shop had to order 3 rear plastic bumper covers from Honda OEM. Each one had defects, I looked at one of them it was surprising they even shipped it.

IMO the supply chain management of plastic components for the Ohio operations I think are at times suspect. Some how I think every Honda operations plant works directly with all their component manufacturers. It's the Ohio plant that I feel has the most issues and wonder if because of the Honda 4AT/5AT problems that some of that was due to lack of vendor source inspections and quality audits.

My wife's Pilot was made in Alabama and was purchased in June of 2002 so it's one of the first ones manufactured and
overall it's been great only a couple problems in 8 years and 170K miles. It still has the original exhaust and CV joint boots. And the quality of the plastic panels on the interior seem better than my TL. My brother has a 2007 Civic that was made in Canada and it too has decent quality.

smarty666

I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely think its a US assembly issue because I have had four different 09-10 TSX loaners, some of which had 30-40k miles on them, and not one of them made the rattle noises my TL makes. Only difference is they are assembled in Japan. I just think that the Japanese and German assembly plants are better at quality control on the vehicles then the US plants are.

Not that you can't get a vehicle from overseas that does not have a rattle, but from my experience, the chance of getting one seems to be far less if its built in Japan or Germany then if its made in the USA.

SSFTSX

MT got 8.3second for taller and heavier TSX Wagon.

biker

^ it would be just about right with the 6MT.

HondaOnWORKS

C/D does get #s coming along that area, but I think anything in the 5s is false. Especially when C/D claimed 1/4 miles in the 14s.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

I actually don't believe an Audi A4 2.0T can hit 0-60 in the 5 second area. For sure 6s, but 5s is too much in the G37 sedan territory. If the A4 2.0T can perform that close to the G37, it would compete with the G37 which it doesn't.

I trust MotorTrend #s better, because they claim 6.5 0-60, and 15 second 1/4 mile.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

which is actually accurate, because it matches up with dragtime times that people posted up.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-A4-Timeslip-18598.html

Because if MotorTrend wasn't accurate and C/D was accurate then there would be a stock 09+ Audi A4 on drag times running low 14s.

bobsnow

I just took delivery of a TSX wagon, base model. Pricing seems to be pretty tight in my area. I was able to take advantage of 0.9% 60 month financing and had the destination charge of $860 waived. Passed on all of the add-ons. Extended warranty, Simonize, pin stripes, edge guards etc.

pttl

Congrats! Welcome to the forum. You should post pics if you can.

That stuff is a bunch of crap anyway.

civicdrivr

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Congrats! What color?

myron

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just saw a first TV commercial for the wagon and I like how it looks. But I think they will need a TL awd system to compete with competition up north at least. The only wagons I see on the road up here are Audis and I don't see wagon doing well. Didn't check the pricing on it yet.

Yumcha

^ You're referring to the one where they start off with a sedan drifting and then bare-bones it and then transform it into the wagon...?

phee

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yea. i wouldnt call it drifting. more like understeer

Mizouse

SSFTSX

It seems Honda has spend much more on Euro Accord than TL.
Every thing is so perfect interms of size, design, rims, colors. Even front overhang is not that much compared to TL. Nothing looks like Euro Accord in squarish design.

pttl

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I must say. That car is vastly superior, as far as looks are concerned, to anything Acura is throwing out there....including the MMC TL. Even the fender humps aren't offensive like they are on the TL.

dom

Its a TSX with a nice skirt package, grille and decent wheels

pttl

Way better than anything else in the Ack line up.