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imo, rwd isnt necessary for acura to be taken seriously, their route of awd is good enough. look at audi.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
imo, rwd isnt necessary for acura to be taken seriously, their route of awd is good enough. look at audi.
Although, after joining an Audi Board, I've heard some of those guys complain that audi should have a RWD platform and ditch AWD. To that I responded that Quattro is their heritage and claim to fame. Their problem is not offereing strong enough powerplants in certain vehicles to compete with bimmer and merc.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
imo, rwd isnt necessary for acura to be taken seriously, their route of awd is good enough. look at audi.
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Originally Posted by csmeance
But Audi's system is much better than the SH-AWD in terms of power robbery. SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power. Acura needs to re-evaluate it and make it more efficent, for example sending power to the rear wheels at 70% and fronts at 30%, instead of vice versa.
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Originally Posted by csmeance
But Audi's system is much better than the SH-AWD in terms of power robbery. SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power. Acura needs to re-evaluate it and make it more efficent, for example sending power to the rear wheels at 70% and fronts at 30%, instead of vice versa.
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^^^^^ It may not be the SH-AWD, but Honda automatic transmissions are notorious for high parasitic loss. Look at some dyno charts, and the difference between flywheel hp and wheel hp is rather significant.
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Not sure what the next gen (B8) S4 is gonna be like, but I'm convinced that there's nothing Acura can come up with that would make me want a 4G TL-S over an S4 barring catastrophic reliability issues with the S4.
What a shame. They engineer the best FWD platforms, but can't even use their existing technologies to make something that can dominate. They should put a dry-sump oiling system on the K23 so they can plop it under the hood of the TSX.
As for the TL.... seeing what the MMC RL and FMC TSX are looking like, the future looks grim.
What a shame. They engineer the best FWD platforms, but can't even use their existing technologies to make something that can dominate. They should put a dry-sump oiling system on the K23 so they can plop it under the hood of the TSX.
As for the TL.... seeing what the MMC RL and FMC TSX are looking like, the future looks grim.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power? Where did you get that from? I doubt that it robs that much power, considering the 290hp RL with over 4000lbs is as fast as a 3500-3600lbs 2nd gen TL-S/3rd gen TL AT with about 260hp (all can do the 1/4mile in high 14's at around 95-96mph). Also the RDX with only 240hp/260lbft and 4000lbs can hit 0-60 in 6.2s and 1/4mile in 14.8s according to Motortrend, while C&D obtained 6.5s/15s. Even the 4600-4700lbs MDX can do 0-60 in 7.1s and 1/4mile in 15.5-15.7s with only 300hp.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3731
Honda automatic transmissions/transaxles rob a lot of power.
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
If Acura ever wants to be taken seriously again there are a couple of very easy things they have to do (Hyundai has already figured this out btw):
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
imo, rwd isnt necessary for acura to be taken seriously, their route of awd is good enough. look at audi.
But when you get to the mid-luxury level and above, RWD is key. Look at all the competitors in this segment and there is a convincing correlation between RWD models succeeding (GS, M, E-class, 5-series) vs FWD based AWD models which are not not (S8, A6, RL). RWD isn't the golden touch that'll automatically make a non-succeeding model succeed (see s-type), but it definitely is one of the factors that leads to better success.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
^^^^^ It may not be the SH-AWD, but Honda automatic transmissions are notorious for high parasitic loss. Look at some dyno charts, and the difference between flywheel hp and wheel hp is rather significant.
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
AWD usually results in more drivetrain loss than RWD and even more than FWD. The 1/4 mile times can largely be attributed to the AWD launch, resulting in little or no wheelspin at all. The RL is rated at 290 hp and neuronbob dyno'd it stock, and it made 190whp (which is about the same as what the 2G TL-S/3G TL dyno at) which actually makes it a 35% drivetrain loss for the RL.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3731
Honda automatic transmissions/transaxles rob a lot of power.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3731
Honda automatic transmissions/transaxles rob a lot of power.
The results for the 3G TL AT were dyno'ed using Dynojet, according to TOV. It would be nice if we could see the numbers of the RL on a Dynojet.
I guess some of you guys misunderstood my post. If you read csmeance's post, he said, "SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power." So, I'd assume that he's just talking about the SH-AWD alone, not the whole drivetrain loss. I understand that in a normal 5AT TL, you'd lose like 25% power already. If you add another 30% to that, that's 55%, which I don't think is true. Losing 30-35% on the other hand, for the whole drivetrain, including SH-AWD and the 5AT, make more sense. I hope this clear up things a bit.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power? Where did you get that from? I doubt that it robs that much power, considering the 290hp RL with over 4000lbs is as fast as a 3500-3600lbs 2nd gen TL-S/3rd gen TL AT with about 260hp (all can do the 1/4mile in high 14's at around 95-96mph). Also the RDX with only 240hp/260lbft and 4000lbs can hit 0-60 in 6.2s and 1/4mile in 14.8s according to Motortrend, while C&D obtained 6.5s/15s. Even the 4600-4700lbs MDX can do 0-60 in 7.1s and 1/4mile in 15.5-15.7s with only 300hp.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
"I'm sure the results would have been higher on a Dynojet. "
The results for the 3G TL AT were dyno'ed using Dynojet, according to TOV. It would be nice if we could see the numbers of the RL on a Dynojet.
I guess some of you guys misunderstood my post. If you read csmeance's post, he said, "SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power." So, I'd assume that he's just talking about the SH-AWD alone, not the whole drivetrain loss. I understand that in a normal 5AT TL, you'd lose like 25% power already. If you add another 30% to that, that's 55%, which I don't think is true. Losing 30-35% on the other hand, for the whole drivetrain, including SH-AWD and the 5AT, make more sense. I hope this clear up things a bit.
The results for the 3G TL AT were dyno'ed using Dynojet, according to TOV. It would be nice if we could see the numbers of the RL on a Dynojet.
I guess some of you guys misunderstood my post. If you read csmeance's post, he said, "SH-AWD robs almost 30% of the power." So, I'd assume that he's just talking about the SH-AWD alone, not the whole drivetrain loss. I understand that in a normal 5AT TL, you'd lose like 25% power already. If you add another 30% to that, that's 55%, which I don't think is true. Losing 30-35% on the other hand, for the whole drivetrain, including SH-AWD and the 5AT, make more sense. I hope this clear up things a bit.
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Originally Posted by csmeance
I don't think that there is a 4 wheel drive dynojet, unless an RL member wanted to disconnect their driveshaft to get a 2WD reading.
http://www.dynojet.com/automotive_dy...o/default.aspx
http://www.dynojet.com/automotive_dy...o/default.aspx
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Originally Posted by csmeance
I don't think that there is a 4 wheel drive dynojet, unless an RL member wanted to disconnect their driveshaft to get a 2WD reading.
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Did Acura stop releasing concept sketches of their cars because they know it all looks like crap and don't want to hear everyones complaints until the actual car is released?
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Originally Posted by csmeance
Look at nueronbob's 4 wheel dyno, RL is rated at 290, he got around 190 something at the wheels.
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i'm betting again that the next TL may look more like an evolution of the current TL like the TSX did. they'll keep possibly the same side profile with the crease on side with the doors, but they'll widen it more and make it as long as the current US Accord sedan since it will be based off that again. it sucks that we probably have to wait until this summer until there could be possible pics of the new TL in camo.
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Did Acura stop releasing concept sketches of their cars because they know it all looks like crap and don't want to hear everyones complaints until the actual car is released?
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I dunno if 40K is worth it but that is why they are making an AWD and FWD the choice of the buyer! The gas is gonna suck I had an MDX for a week and that 3.7 egn is a PIG!
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Originally Posted by Acuraboy7
I dunno if 40K is worth it but that is why they are making an AWD and FWD the choice of the buyer! The gas is gonna suck I had an MDX for a week and that 3.7 egn is a PIG!
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yikes my worst fears have come true!!! the RL, TSX, and now TL will have that hideous grill!!
if that is indeed the 09 TL, it just looks like the 09 TSX with different rims.
if that is indeed the 09 TL, it just looks like the 09 TSX with different rims.
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Ok, that has to be a CGI or something....look how much bigger the rear wheel is compared to the front? Maybe its an artists' concept? Who knows...I know my next car will be an 06' E46 M3 so i'm not concerned
long live the sexy sleek design of the 3G TL and 1G TSX i guess
long live the sexy sleek design of the 3G TL and 1G TSX i guess
#3231
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This is good news, now Acura has finally unified the look for all it's car, even though the signature grill is in no way attractive. Strike one for Acura on brand identity.
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If you guys can't tell that that's an 08 TSX from the side and an 09 TSX at the front, Im going to start referring to you all collectively as msl.
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looks like a sebring rear end, accord sides and a TSX front... and the rims are off the ASCC.
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at that pic. Will reserve judgement until the new TL is actually unveiled.
As far as SH-AWD, I indeed calculated a 35% drivetrain loss based on the dyno results on my RL. I'm quite sure that Honda has figured a way to get more power to the ground.
As far as SH-AWD, I indeed calculated a 35% drivetrain loss based on the dyno results on my RL. I'm quite sure that Honda has figured a way to get more power to the ground.
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Originally Posted by phile
If you guys can't tell that that's an 08 TSX from the side and an 09 TSX at the front, Im going to start referring to you all collectively as msl.
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If you guys can't tell that that's an 08 TSX from the side and an 09 TSX at the front, Im going to start referring to you all collectively as msl.
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What is "msl" ?