Yumcha

C&D's review of the TLX: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/



I like what I'm reading! Woohoo, Acura.

fiatlux

Yeesh, that comment section isn't kind. Something something haters?

is300eater

this is the first Acura/Honda sedan to get my attention in a long long time

oonowindoo

I hope that is a typo in the 1/4 mile... or an inaccurate est.

Cuz that is slow AF in that segment.

ttribe

Jalopnik's Review: https://jalopnik.com/2021-acura-tlx-...ots-1846882924

00TL-P3.2

https://acurazine.com/forums/automot.../#post16721339

ttribe

They are two different reviews.

Yumcha

This.

00TL-P3.2

Looks identical to me....

SamDoe1

Infotainment still sucks because it's run with a stupid track pad.

ttribe

Well, now you've got my anal retentive accountant part of me all activated.

Yummy's link - Car and Driver, Authored by Tony Quiroga, first paragraph states: "Acura keeps sending forget-me-nots. First came the second-generation Acura NSX, a 573-hp mid-engine sign that the brand had been working on itself, made some big changes, and wanted to have a heart-to-heart talk about performance. Now, the 2021 TLX Type S sports sedan has arrived at our doorstep, and its 355-hp V-6 and torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system are the kind of wooing that totally works on us."

My link - Jalopnik, Authored by Bradley Brownell, first paragraph states: "For at least the last decade Acura hasn’t really known what it wants to be. It has traded away much of its sporty reputation for luxury crossover sales. It dabbled in performance hybrids to support its NSX supercar, but many of those have since been dropped. Acura lost its heritage, walked away from a history of delightful sports cars, coupes, and sedans, and muddled its signature. In recent years, the company has taken great strides to reviving its specialness. The TLX Type-S is the next step in that process."

fiatlux

Uh, you might want to go back and look at the link 00TL posted….

ttribe

Ahhhhh, I see the problem now. His link was taking me back to Yummy's post. I had to scroll up a bit to see what he posted. My bad. @00TL-P3.2 , feel free to delete my nonsense.

hdcolumbus

I own both a Giulia (TI Sport, Veloce) and Stelvio (TI, Veloce) (2019s 2.0s) and outside of oil changes and swapping summer for winter rubber—they have been in the shop once each, both for the shit Italian batteries they ship with. Replaced with MOPAR under warranty and nothing since. And they’re driven hard—each with tunes. I was just at the dealer today and ordered two 2022 Quads (Giulia and Stelvio)—both the 2.0s and QVs are unmatched for the price point, in my opinion. Also looking for a 4C too to complete the garage.

Edit: I should mention that I came from 5 Acuras including a 2019 A-Spec SH-AWD.

oonowindoo

That 2003 CL-S tho.... love and hate it at the same time

SSFTSX

C&D BMW 340 RWD has 0.96g when car was new. and 0.93g when car was 40K miles with Pilot 4S. These Pilot 4S has much higher handling ratings on Tire rack tests than Pirrelli Pzero. so already the tires will not give same handling.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=248

19inch tires and tires already blowing on BMW.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
Michigan's cratered roads damaged our landing gear a few times. We blew out three tires and tweaked one of the 19-inch wheels (the latter didn't cause a problem, so we left it). The dealer also destroyed one of the Michelins during a tire change and paid for its replacement.

SamDoe1

^ You coming to Moab or what? Time to put up or shut up.

I vote his posts get deleted until he proves his claims.

00TL-P3.2

No worries, thought I was missing something. No idea why my link went to the wrong post.

Now, just say 5 hail beetles to the 911 GT1 & do your penance.

SSFTSX

BMW 3 performance is due to tires and those tires keep blowing up in less than a year of driving. and that only 19inch
Put heaving noise reducing rims and 20inch all season tires that can atleast last 50K miles on freeway drivng and see the real handling of BMW.
Car has taller and wider imposing road presence. You wont see the Hyundai chrome of aka Genesis. Hello Yeh where you now
no oval and egg shape electric/hybrid look.

oonowindoo

Shut up, M340i will blow the door off the Type S...

So are you telling me that Acura's 19" wheels and tires are stronger than Michigan's catered roads? well go try it and let us know.... Last time i checked, earth is always stronger.

Focus on the improvement this type S is over the previous gens and dont make it into something that it is not.

oonowindoo

Why would they do that?
Why doesnt Acura put square shaped wheels and tires on the TL-S and let's see its 0-60

SSFTSX

There is no evidence that M340 can perform better on same set of tires and wheel setup. you have to look at comfort level, body motion controls, and all weather capability. that AWD is even worse than RWD.
You cannot change the fact that once BMW get older. the G forces decreases from 0.96 to 0.93.
C&D don thave TLX for long term but Accord give you idea about quality of vehicle. there is no decrease in handling. and performance is much improved. gaining 2 seconds at 120mph. This is called superior engineering that pass test of time.

oonowindoo

U know.. as you get older, your G force decreases as well...

pttl

do you drive cars? Or do you just spit back info you scour the web for?

I'll never understand the mentality of the fan boy, always trying to convince others that "his" brand is superior to all other brands.

SSFTSX

G forces went to 1.05 as Civic Type R got older. It just need the right set of tires. BMW also needed 4 quart of oil.
2021 limited edition Civic Type R will easily surpass these numbers. I have full confidence that TLX Type S is much higher build quality product than any BMW. and will maintain its strong resale value.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

Our 2019 Honda Civic Type R Forced Us to Overlook Its Faults

Away from the rigors of the track, we've made it as far south as St. Louis in the past 10,000 miles and as far east as Greenwich, Connecticut. But the majority of our miles have been close to home. With the odometer now showing 31,217 miles, our Civic's oil-life monitor still says we have 15 percent left before the next service, even after driving nearly 10,000 miles since our last visit at 21,430 miles. That means since our last update six months ago, we have yet to spend another dollar on service. Or, more impressive, we haven't damaged another wheel or worn through another tire.

SamDoe1

You yourself have admitted that an Acura isn't as good no matter the set of wheels or tires as an old Fiat. Why should we take any of this seriously?

oonowindoo

I mean there is cheap and there is you. 4 quarts of oil is something you wanna complain about?

So you went from Acura TLX-S to Accord and now to Civic Type R? Just add a few more cars, then you can compare BMW m340i to Honda/Acura's entire lineup.

SSFTSX

It does not matter whether its Civic Type R or Accord or BMW 3. only Honda improve performance when it gest older. The fact that BMW was losing G forces under warranty despite new tires.

4cylinder Turbo Honda engine redline is 6500RPM. The six cylinder is 5500rpm. it has more feel of luxury and effortless power. six cylinder need less power for street driving. no reason to consume oil. Only Honda can make square design vehicles aerodynamic. Only Honda can make taller vehicles aerodynamic.
Alot of consumers are not educated about his aspect of brand. they think Mazda and Honda are same quality.

https://www.acura.com/tlx/pricing-and-specs

oonowindoo

No wonder most of the women loves Honda... i get it now.

You are really funny tho... how you could put bunch of irrelevant BS together and somehow trying to be convincing, it take skills...

But i gotta say, i dont think you know what effortless power is

pttl

Mazda is superior reliability and ergonomic gforce. Styling and high quality paint reduce drag coefficient by factor of 2.

SSFTSX

This review clarified that effortless power. engine is way under stressed. launch at 2000rpm to get 5 sec 0-60 time. if drop at 3000rpm he may get 4.5second

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Thats fucking hilarious that SSFTSX believes the M340i is SLOWER than the TLX-S! Fanboys are drinking that Kool-aid a bit too much lately, especially those that own vehicles with a 0-60 times of anywhere between today and tomorrow. FOH.

YEH

From Motor Authority...

It felt like the Type S was a bit of a pretender on a true racetrack. The double-wishbone front suspension and well-tuned steering held up nicely, but the rest of the car fell a little flat. I’m not sure that there is an easy fix for the TLX Type S as its shortcomings in this environment seem to be more a function of its front-drive architecture and overall heft. The car is rather heavy, tipping the scales at 4,221 pounds (or 4,200 pounds with the lightweight wheel/summer tires equipped). Competitors like the Audi S4 and Mercedes-AMG C43 weigh just under 3,900 pounds each. You don’t really feel the car’s weight on the street, but on a track its heft and imbalance are magnified. Rather than feeling especially agile, it feels like you’re wrestling physics at each turn.

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While a nice effort, Acura exacerbated the existing imbalance/weight distribution (due to the FWD transverse layout) issue by making the TLX as big and heavy as it is - all the things like torque-vectoring, etc. are bandaids to mitigate the core issues, but you can't beat the laws of physics.

If you're going to drive something as big and as heavy as the 5 Series, mind as well get the M5 Competition (putting aside that it costs a lot more $$) - and you'll actually have room for adults in the back.

SSFTSX

It utter nonsense that it is overweight. BMW 340Xi basic weight with 18inch rims car has lower belt line to the ground. 4000lbs with tire life shorter than Civic Type R. imagine putting 20inch on BMW 3 series. the weight will go up further. There is not much room in back for 5 series. 2inch will hardly make you comfortable. Civic has more space in back seat than BMW 5 series.
https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3-se...-features.html

you gotta pay for this imposing looks.

pttl

Fanboy scours the net to try to refute the critical review.
Good stuff!

kurtatx

Still has that horrific user interface on the infotainment.

I know that doesn't really matter, but it's still horrible.

F23A4

I just stepped out of an M340i at a BMW event. The TLX-S has its work cut out for it.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I own two BMW's and I'm not bias or a fanboy of ANY brand, but I know better than to say a bunch of bs. The TLX-S isn't touching the M340i. The B58 is one hell of an engine!

Acura TL Builder

Dang thats sexy looking! Is it worth the price? It weighs a good deal more than the 3G.

The engine bay and gauge cluster were better on the 3g. and the design inside and out...

They should have designed the brake calipers on top of the rotor so it would be a perfectly read "ACURA".

Putting "Type-S" Emblems in the front and sides of the car makes it look like an EBay boy racer trying too hard.

Edit: Rear looks like an oversized ILX.

They should have done like the VW Bug, Porche 911, Corvette/Mustang and just updated the pefected 3G sedan look.

Acura TL Builder

..Or just watch where your going? I suppose if you enjoy driving drunk that system is good for others.