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So all ackura has to do is change out all tire and rim packages on all cars they sell, in order to make them more competitive, regarding performance. Got it. Good idea.
All things equal, you are correct that smaller rims will lead to faster acceleration and longer range. That said, no amount of smaller sized wheels are going to help the TLX beat these other two.
If you seriously think they can, go get a TLX-S and put some 18in wheels on it (guessing you can't because they won't fit over the brakes) and see what happens. If you are so confident in your position, go out and prove it. Either that or this is going to turn into another discussion about AWD systems that rapidly blew up in your face.
So much has blown up in his face over the years that he is already immune to explosion..
So all ackura has to do is change out all tire and rim packages on all cars they sell, in order to make them more competitive, regarding performance. Got it. Good idea.
News Flash 2023 Acura TLX-S featuring 16" with 195 55 16 tires and 450hp.....
OR... just OEM the ZF8
i mean why introduce a product that everyone is so excited about and only to introduce a compromised product... If that was Acura's intention, they should have just name the current Type S the ASPEC.... This really does not help Acura at all when they hype it up and underdeliver. Especially getting beat by Genesis... that is a No-No in my book.
if i were Acura's executive, i would tell the R&D team to revise the next MY TLX-S and make sure it beats Genesis... whatever it takes.
I don't think the ZF8 is adaptable to FWD. (correct me if I'm wrong here) The money move (so to speak) would have been to make the new TLX rwd and sync it up with the ZF8. As I have the impression that the J30AC is safely capable of additional output so, something like 400 hp/375 lb-ft would have been feasible. Alas, I'll package that idea/pipedram in a can of 'could have been'.
All things equal, you are correct that smaller rims will lead to faster acceleration and longer range. That said, no amount of smaller sized wheels are going to help the TLX beat these other two.
If you seriously think they can, go get a TLX-S and put some 18in wheels on it (guessing you can't because they won't fit over the brakes) and see what happens. If you are so confident in your position, go out and prove it. Either that or this is going to turn into another discussion about AWD systems that rapidly blew up in your face.
Edit: Oh and as it pertains to that video you posted, he gets a 0-60 time of 5.02s on a shitty road and a RWD car. Car and Driver got a best time of 4.9s from a TLX-S on a drag strip with a clean surface. My guess is that it would get dusted by the AWD version of the G70 on a clean surface. Actually it's not a guess, there's a video to prove it.
Yah i didnt really wanna talk about the video he posted.. it was on some back road and bumpy surface and it seems there was a turn at the end of the run?
Every video i saw the G70 would either jump from the start or walk TLX-S even if it lost the start.... It is not even close.
I personally wanna see a 2.0T Accord vs. TLX-S.. it think it would be close...
I don't think the ZF8 is adaptable to FWD. (correct me if I'm wrong here) The money move (so to speak) would have been to make the new TLX rwd and sync it up with the ZF8. As I have the impression that the J30AC is safely capable of additional output so, something like 400 hp/375 lb-ft would have been feasible. Alas, I'll package that idea/pipedram in a can of 'could have been'.
Yah the could have been has been with Acura for decades now... i thought Acura could never fool me again after all the disappointments over the years.... and they still found a way with the new Type S
Not sure about ZF8 on FWD... I think S4 is also using ZF8, not sure how they did it. Maybe the current S4 is RWD setup as well?
But this is 2021, not having a transmission that can support 400hp in the $50-70k segment is pretty laughable...
If it is true that the current TLX-S's transmission cannot handle even 50 more HP... then i feel pretty sad for the aftermarket and tuning market... a basic stage 1 tune will send TLX-S to the shop...
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Yah i didnt really wanna talk about the video he posted.. it was on some back road and bumpy surface and it seems there was a turn at the end of the run?
Every video i saw the G70 would either jump from the start or walk TLX-S even if it lost the start.... It is not even close.
I personally wanna see a 2.0T Accord vs. TLX-S.. it think it would be close...
Seems like it would be so easy to setup but, I think enough Type S owners are in the know re: the Accord 2.0T and don't want to be the potential sacrificial lamb. While the Type S should take it by a relatively narrow margin from a dig, a roll race could spell doom for the model.
Honestly, very few Hondas punch above their weight like the Accord 2.0T; though the 9G Accord 6-6 comes to mind as well as the 07-08 Type S during its time.
Seems like it would be so easy to setup but, I think enough Type S owners are in the know re: the Accord 2.0T and don't want to be the potential sacrificial lamb. While the Type S should take it by a relatively narrow margin from a dig, a roll race could spell doom for the model.
Honestly, very few Hondas punch above their weight like the Accord 2.0T; though the 9G Accord 6-6 comes to mind as well as the 07-08 Type S during its time.
Yah, That Sam Carlegion guy who has been arranging all kind of weird drag races on youtube said both Type S owners refused to run the 2.0T Accord.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 08-31-2021 at 03:43 PM.
The TLX Type S advantage is that its performance will better than competition in all surfaces. it just need 19 inch rims setup. In above video it clearly beat up the G70. and the more miles are put on engine the more performance it will gain.
0 to 60 in 5.96 sec in raining. They are not performance tires and with 19inch rims and this much weight over the previous generation.
The TLX Type S advantage is that its performance will better than competition in all surfaces. it just need 19 inch rims setup. In above video it clearly beat up the G70. and the more miles are put on engine the more performance it will gain.
0 to 60 in 5.96 sec in raining. They are not performance tires and with 19inch rims and this much weight over the previous generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHLXjiXN1s
Clearly? i didnt see a TLX-S raced a G70 in any of your videos....
Mine has 20 inch wheels and tires so lets do this. Let me know when and where and we can give this a go. Just because I'm nice, you can bring any trim level of TLX you'd like.
That difference in speed surely has nothing to do with the fact that the Lexus weighs 300lbs more than the Cruiser right? Also, who cares what the 0-60 time is of a big boat like that, it's not what it's supposed to do.
The same person reviewed RWD G70 a month a ago. only 81 comments. while TLX got twice amount of comments on video in few days.
Genesis not interesting to people.
Go straight to content at 15minute. TLX beat this G70 RWD in 0-60mph.
I can't comment on the G70, but my dad has a GV80 and that is simply not even close to true. People tell him all the time how much they love his car. I don't ride with him often, but the times I have ridden with him I have seen it happen. He had someone in the parking lot flag him down and wave to lower his window just to tell him "they loved his car." Now he does get a lot of "what is it?" or "what's a Genesis?" However, overall people really notice his car. On top of that all if it's parked on the street in a busy area you can watch as people look at it and comment on it.
I can't comment on the G70, but my dad has a GV80 and that is simply not even close to true. People tell him all the time how much they love his car. I don't ride with him often, but the times I have ridden with him I have seen it happen. He had someone in the parking lot flag him down and wave to lower his window just to tell him "they loved his car." Now he does get a lot of "what is it?" or "what's a Genesis?" However, overall people really notice his car. On top of that all if it's parked on the street in a busy area you can watch as people look at it and comment on it.
There's a new GV80 at work, it looks pretty awesome from outside and inside. If we were looking for a SUV, that would definitely be on our list.
I was playing with a dark green 3.3T GV70 on the mountain pass when i first got my car in July.... it was pretty impressive considering it is a CUV... i was surprised how much i had to "try" to keep up
The car looked just as impressive in person as the pictures. I did get to look at his front end eventually from my rear view mirror
I was playing with a dark green 3.3T GV70 on the mountain pass when i first got my car in July.... it was pretty impressive considering it is a CUV... i was surprised how much i had to "try" to keep up
The car looked just as impressive in person as the pictures. I did get to look at his front end eventually from my rear view mirror
You'll have to excuse my ignorance but what were you driving at the time?
Agreed. But, it probably goes back to Fiatlux's post in the 2G TLX forum with respect to the transmission not being able to support the additional power. By going FWD, seems like they compromised the product with the only tranny alternatives being the inhouse 10AT or re-sourcing the ZF9; can't imagine this board if the ZF9 came back.
It's be like the dumpster fire of the 2G TLX forum
Originally Posted by F23A4
I don't think the ZF8 is adaptable to FWD. (correct me if I'm wrong here) The money move (so to speak) would have been to make the new TLX rwd and sync it up with the ZF8. As I have the impression that the J30AC is safely capable of additional output so, something like 400 hp/375 lb-ft would have been feasible. Alas, I'll package that idea/pipedram in a can of 'could have been'.
+1, the ZF8 is a longitude engine transmission. With the exception of the NSX, all current Acura's are transverse engine applications have transaxle, sideways mounted mounted transmission AND differential.
The best solution is to go back to the 5AT of the 2000's
It's be like the dumpster fire of the 2G TLX forum
+1, the ZF8 is a longitude engine transmission. With the exception of the NSX, all current Acura's are transverse engine applications have transaxle, sideways mounted mounted transmission AND differential.
The best solution is to go back to the 5AT of the 2000's
or they could just offer 6mt on the type S... it might be slower... but we can all blame it on the 6mt vs auto, instead on the car itself...
or they could just offer 6mt on the type S... it might be slower... but we can all blame it on the 6mt vs auto, instead on the car itself...
I think the take rate on the TLX-S would be a LOT higher if they had a manual option. It would make it the only reason to actually get one and all the JDM fanbois would go nuts.
I was playing with a dark green 3.3T GV70 on the mountain pass when i first got my car in July.... it was pretty impressive considering it is a CUV... i was surprised how much i had to "try" to keep up
The car looked just as impressive in person as the pictures. I did get to look at his front end eventually from my rear view mirror
I'll apologize in advance that the back of a M3P is so boring looking.
Mine has 20 inch wheels and tires so lets do this. Let me know when and where and we can give this a go. Just because I'm nice, you can bring any trim level of TLX you'd like.
That difference in speed surely has nothing to do with the fact that the Lexus weighs 300lbs more than the Cruiser right? Also, who cares what the 0-60 time is of a big boat like that, it's not what it's supposed to do.
300 lbs difference is very minor for 6000lbs SUV. when engine power and transmission the same.
300 lbs is big difference in 4000lbs class vehicle. when engine size is 10% smaller and is single turbo.
Instead of appreciating TLX power that it beat G70 despite the obvious difference. you are randomly babbling.
Yup... when no one cares about the niche market, then the niche market will become big enough for someone.... Let's see who is willing to take it...
But TBH, I dont know if i wanna drive a 6mt on a 4200 lbs sedan... It just feels like rowing a big ass boat... I think i had that feeling when i was driving a 6mt F10 535 many years ago, it did not feel good...
I think 6mt makes sense if the car is somewhat relatively tossable... (in the 3700-3800 lbs range)
300 lbs difference is very minor for 6000lbs SUV. when engine power and transmission the same.
300 lbs is big difference in 4000lbs class vehicle. when engine size is 10% smaller and is single turbo. Instead of appreciating TLX power that it beat G70 despite the obvious difference. you are randomly babbling.
Show me a video of the actual race between TLX-S and G70 3.3T where G70 lost?
It's be like the dumpster fire of the 2G TLX forum
+1, the ZF8 is a longitude engine transmission. With the exception of the NSX, all current Acura's are transverse engine applications have transaxle, sideways mounted mounted transmission AND differential.
The best solution is to go back to the 5AT of the 2000's
The 2G TLX forum would be the second coming of the Jerry Springer Show....folks throwing chairs virtually this time.
Edit: Oh and as it pertains to that video you posted, he gets a 0-60 time of 5.02s on a shitty road and a RWD car. Car and Driver got a best time of 4.9s from a TLX-S on a drag strip with a clean surface. My guess is that it would get dusted by the AWD version of the G70 on a clean surface. Actually it's not a guess, there's a video to prove it.
C/D tested the 2020MY G70 and got 4.5s and 13.1s for the 1/4 mi.
4.9s and 13.6s for the Type S.
I'd say chances are pretty good that the GV70 is quicker than the Type S.
Sales of the new Acura TLX Type S have exceeded 500cars, according to a letter sent to dealers. The figure is based on retail sales through August 24th for the sporty luxury car.
While 500 cars may not sound like much since the car's launch nearly 60 days ago...
- So the Type S is making up around 9-10% of TLX sales for the past 2 months.
300 lbs difference is very minor for 6000lbs SUV. when engine power and transmission the same.
300 lbs is big difference in 4000lbs class vehicle. when engine size is 10% smaller and is single turbo.
Instead of appreciating TLX power that it beat G70 despite the obvious difference. you are randomly babbling.
Well it's very obviously what makes the difference given everything else is the same.
Instead of blithering on about nonsense how about we just go test it out and see what happens. Let me know where to meet you and lets do this. Pick any TLX trim you want in any tire and wheel combo your heart desires.
We needed a 3.5T or an engine with NSX electric tech. Beautiful car though...luckily I still have the best Type-S made by Acura.
Or They could just up the boost and reinforce whatever shit they need to reinforce to make it work or they could just find a way to remove 300-400 lbs... That is more realistic than creating a new engine...
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