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Well it's very obviously what makes the difference given everything else is the same.
Instead of blithering on about nonsense how about we just go test it out and see what happens. Let me know where to meet you and lets do this. Pick any TLX trim you want in any tire and wheel combo your heart desires.
do you seriously think only 300lbs extra weight on Land Cruiser platform it loses 1.5 second in 0-100mph sprint? and it keep losing more the higher the speed.. and not to mention top speed is less than 20 mph. Tow rating is reduced from 8100lbs to 7000lbs.
the new LandCruiser LC300 they reduced tire width from 285 to 265 on 18inch rims and it is faster 0-120mph by 10 second. engine power alone cannot make that diffference as bhp difference is only 30bhp.
do you seriously think only 300lbs extra weight on Land Cruiser platform it loses 1.5 second in 0-100mph sprint? and it keep losing more the higher the speed.. and not to mention top speed is less than 20 mph. Tow rating is reduced from 8100lbs to 7000lbs.
the new LandCruiser LC300 they reduced tire width from 285 to 265 on 18inch rims and it is faster 0-120mph by 10 second. engine power alone cannot make that diffference as bhp difference is only 30bhp.
do you seriously think only 300lbs extra weight on Land Cruiser platform it loses 1.5 second in 0-100mph sprint? and it keep losing more the higher the speed.. and not to mention top speed is less than 20 mph. Tow rating is reduced from 8100lbs to 7000lbs.
the new LandCruiser LC300 they reduced tire width from 285 to 265 on 18inch rims and it is faster 0-120mph by 10 second. engine power alone cannot make that diffference as bhp difference is only 30bhp.
So you think that the wheels have everything to do with it and the only reason the Toyota is faster than the Lexus is because of wheel size? 300lbs isn't a small amount of weight. There's also other things like front end shape, transmission calibration, engine calibration, etc that are different between the two trucks. The Lexus is designed to be more "lazy" by design because of the clientele it's sold to. Also, tow rating is based on a lot of things like vehicle weight, max cargo capacity, brakes, cooling, and wheelbase.
The civic article you mentioned notes that the car is unexpectedly slower than the old one and they are wondering if there was something wrong with the car. A 1" difference in rim size isn't going to make a notable difference in speed. Also, the new Civic is 150lbs heavier.
You just going to keep dodging the offer to race your TLX? I have giant wheels so it's pretty safe to say you'll win anyway. You can come with the smallest wheel and tire size you want and we can even do a 30-50, 5-30, 5-60, 50-100, whatever speed interval you want to try.
So you think that the wheels have everything to do with it and the only reason the Toyota is faster than the Lexus is because of wheel size? 300lbs isn't a small amount of weight. There's also other things like front end shape, transmission calibration, engine calibration, etc that are different between the two trucks. The Lexus is designed to be more "lazy" by design because of the clientele it's sold to. Also, tow rating is based on a lot of things like vehicle weight, max cargo capacity, brakes, cooling, and wheelbase.
The civic article you mentioned notes that the car is unexpectedly slower than the old one and they are wondering if there was something wrong with the car. A 1" difference in rim size isn't going to make a notable difference in speed. Also, the new Civic is 150lbs heavier.
You just going to keep dodging the offer to race your TLX? I have giant wheels so it's pretty safe to say you'll win anyway. You can come with the smallest wheel and tire size you want and we can even do a 30-50, 5-30, 5-60, 50-100, whatever speed interval you want to try.
new Civic is alot more powerull.
you want to continue on this rabbit hole. identical engines , transmission and trims.
No, I want you to put your money where your dumb mouth is and come race me to prove a point. You've already flaked out on the challenge to take on a shitty Fiat, what's wrong with a crappy golf cart?
All that work didn't exactly pay off when it came to the straight-line performance numbers, however. Out at the track, the 2022 Honda Civic Touring's 0-60-mph time of 7.4 seconds is actually two ticks slower than what we recorded for the then-new 10th-generation Touring sedan back in 2015, despite the new engine's 180 hp and 177 lb-ft of torque (increases of 6 horsepower and 15 lb-ft). Same goes for the quarter-mile time of 15.7 seconds at 91.4 mph, which was also 0.2 second and 1 mph slower than the 2016 Civic Touring sedan we tested.
So are you saying 2016 Civic Touring is faster than the 2021 Civic Touring with the same engine?
If not, then 2016 is the same as 2021.
and 2021 had 18" wheels in touring trim, and it is faster than the 2022 with the 18" wheels? and you are saying it is because of the wheels? even tho they are the same size?
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In our 2019 Civic Touring tester, the 1.5-liter turbo-four is paired to CVT and is tuned to make 174 hp and 162 lb-ft of torque. Power is more than adequate, and the engine and CVT behave well together. During testing, we made note of the Civic's smooth power delivery. We recorded a 0-60 mph time of 6.8 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 15.2 seconds, matching the pace of our previous 2016 Civic long-termer. It put down a figure-eight lap time of 26.6 seconds, and the test crew found it an easy car to drive briskly.
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Quit dodging me. Come prove your point. If you can't your comments on here really are as worthless as everyone believes them to be. If you win then everyone will bow down to all your words from now until the end of time. What's there to lose?
I have already shown almost 5 examples of CRV/LX/GX/Civic/1G TLX from C&D where smaller wheel size vehicles are faster. this is enough spoon feeding on this topic.
Motortrend is all over the place. at quarter mile 2016 is faster trap speed. it is called inconsistent testing.
even width of tires impact performance let alone changing to bigger rims.
2019 MDX with 265/45/20 tires.
2017 MDX with 245/50/20 tires. higher trap speed is associated with faster acceleration times in most cases.
I have already shown almost 5 examples of CRV/LX/GX/Civic/1G TLX from C&D where smaller wheel size vehicles are faster. this is enough spoon feeding on this topic.
I don't believe a single word of this being true and I'm guessing nearly everyone (or everyone for that matter) will agree with me. Until you prove it, it's all a farce just like Honda's AWD system being superior.
So he went from TLX - LX450 - Civic and now MDX? all in less than 24 hours...
I think he has ADD... "must pivot"
It was about about consistency of testing. TLX engine changed thats why i used previous generation TLX for wheel size change.
All other vehicles are example of same engine/transmission but with different wheel sizes. It proved beyond doubt larger wheels and wider tires inhibit performance in straight line.
It was about about consistency of testing. TLX engine changed thats why i used previous generation TLX for wheel size change.
All other vehicles are example of same engine/transmission but with different wheel sizes. It proved beyond doubt larger wheels and wider tires inhibit performance in straight line.
beyond doubt? haha
Anyway. Yes, we ALLLLLLL know larger wheels and wider tires slow the car down somewhat.. i mean if you put 22s with 275s in all 4 corners on a CIVIC, yes it will be slow AF and not only that, the braking is non-existent
But to go from 17 to 18 in a modern FI engine car? The difference is not noticeable... and it WILL NOT be almost 1 full sec slower from 0-60... unless of course the new 18" wheels are made of Lead.... then sure.
TLX went from 225 to 255 on tire width in 2nd Generation. Not to mention 20 inch on TLX. it has big impact. thats the reason BMW M340 is not tested with 20 inch rims.
just to give you idea about Honda engine. Civic at 40K miles is 1.6 second faster zero to 120mph compared to its new. The higher the top speed the greater the difference. so have confidence that once TLX type S put more miles. the performance will improve. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m-test-review/
TLX went from 225 to 255 on tire width in 2nd Generation. Not to mention 20 inch on TLX. it has big impact. thats the reason BMW M340 is not tested with 20 inch rims.
just to give you idea about Honda engine. Civic at 40K miles is 1.6 second faster zero to 120mph compared to its new. The higher the top speed the greater the difference. so have confidence that once TLX type S put more miles. the performance will improve. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m-test-review/
That is absolutely 100% not the reason why they didn't test BMW with 20s... because most of the people are not stupid enough to pay $3000 for some 20 accessory wheels.
Go buy a TLX-S and put on some 19s or 18s or 17s and 205 tires for all i care and go run G70 again... It better be ridiculously fast by then...
By your logic, when that civic reaches 200k miles, it should be faster than Model S Plaid?
C&D normally get fully optioned BMWs for tests but i havent seen BMW 340 with 20 inch rims. so most probably its not available in stock with dealers. they had no problem testing various tires combo on Civic Type R in long term tests.
than there is difference in character of engine. look at long term BMW 340 test. its performance at 40K miles is weaker than new.
while Honda Civic FI engine gain full 1.5 second in zero to 120mile timing. so it is logical to assume if they put TLX Type S on long term tests. it will gain much more performance. it just need right tire and wheel combination.
Come race me or STFU. I have 20" wheels and tires on my compact car, it should be slow AF. Should have no issue beating it with a TLX 4 banger, especially one with 40k miles on it.
2021 Acura TLX long-term update: You can go home again
In which my mom and I drive home to Washington for the first time in years. Kyle Hyatt Sept. 7, 2021 2:00 a.m. PT Listen
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Enlarge ImageWe've put nearly 15,000 miles on our TLX now. Steven Ewing/Roadshow It takes a long time to drive the length of the West Coast. I've done it a handful of times, first when I took a road trip with my then-fiancee-now-wife in our BMW station wagon. That trip had us clinging to the ragged edge of the coast on Highway 1 and took around three days of 10- to 12-hour stints behind the wheel. Then I did it again when I moved from Seattle to Los Angeles in a giant diesel Penske moving truck that I jokingly named Imminent Domain.
Since moving to LA, though, I've always just flown home to Seattle. It's the difference between a 2.5-hour flight or 22-ish hours behind the wheel, so it always seemed like a no-brainer. But with the last year and a half being what it is and air travel seeming scarier than it ever has, I opted to make my 1st trip home in two years in the driver's seat of our long-term 2021 Acura TLX. And because COVID-19 has a funny way of making emotional distances a lot longer than physical ones, I decided to do the drive with my mom.
Please welcome the 2021 Acura TLX to Roadshow's long-term fleet
See all photos +28 More The plan is simple: Mom flies down (she has less fear of catching the 'rona on a plane than I do) and hangs out for a day or two to see my wife, our cats and our newly rented house. Then we pile our stuff into the TLX and set out for the Pacific Northwest. I'm getting close to 40, she's getting real close to 60, and in the spirit of Danny Glover's Roger Murtaugh, we both agree that we're "getting too old for this shit" and decide to break the drive up into two days.
We get up early on the first day and head out of Pasadena. Because I want to show my mom what I do for a living, we climb up into the Angeles National Forest and take the famous Angeles Crest Highway to Palmdale, bypassing the hated Grapevine (aka I-5 North out of Los Angeles and into the Central Valley). She is a generally nervous passenger, so I delight in taking the TLX through the fast, sweeping corners at speed, waxing about the excellent handling characteristics of the 2021 TLX thanks to its dual-wishbone front suspension and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive.
As we come down out of the mountains and into the blasted wasteland that is Palmdale, we're already laughing and making jokes about how much my dad would love that road and how my mom hated riding with me as a younger driver because I "didn't use the brakes enough." It's the most effortless conversation we've had in years. Enlarge ImageSteven Ewing/Roadshow Long hours behind the wheel without regular distractions like Twitter or Netflix forces us to escape from our escapism and be present in the moment.That conversation aspect is a large part of why I wanted my mom with me on this trip. We chat on the phone a couple of times a week usually, but it's rare that we really talk. Being stuck together in a car is a chance to reconnect after years of distance, and it seems to be working.
From Palmdale, we head west to hit the arrow-straight slog that is Interstate 5 north through the middle of California. It's all citrus groves, almond trees and stockyards as we blast along, dodging overly ambitious produce truck drivers passing one another on this two-lane freeway. The Acura, as expected, is eating up the miles, its 2.0-liter turbocharged engine quietly buzzing along, the 10-speed automatic transmission doing its level best to return decent fuel economy. However, as we've seen since our TLX arrived last year, those mileage figures leave much to be desired -- on this trip, I'm only seeing 26.8 mpg. The suspension, set in comfort mode, soaks up imperfections and offers a real luxury car experience when paired with the comfortable interior, which is welcome on a trip of this length.
The miles fall away and the scenery starts to slowly change from dusty brown to gold to green as we get closer to Sacramento. Then the landscape changes dramatically as we get up to Redding and into the mountains near Lake Shasta and its drought-receded shores. The road starts to get twisty again as we wind up into the Siskiyou Mountains and make our first overnight stop in the lovely little town of Ashland, Oregon -- best known for its yearly Shakespeare festival. The drive up to this point took about 12 hours, and neither my mom or I are feeling particularly tired, proof of the TLX's comfort. Enlarge ImageWe wish our TLX's four-cylinder engine returned better fuel economy. Steven Ewing/Roadshow Day 2 takes us through Oregon, which we both hold dear. Her, because her brothers and sister both live there, and me because Portland was the first place I lived that was really like home after moving away from my family. We stop and visit my uncle outside Portland in a town called Gresham, best known as the home of Chris O'Donnell's character in Scent of a Woman (it's pronounced Orygun, guys, not Ore-uh-gon).
From there, it's a short three-hour drive through southwest Washington and up to the Olympic Peninsula and my parents' house, a little more than 1,200 miles from where we started in sunny Pasadena. I spend the next few days visiting friends and family and picking up a project motorcycle (in many, many pieces) before hopping back in the TLX, cueing up some audiobooks and making the drive home alone.
This trip proved to be a perfect reset, both for me mentally after a year and a half of staying home and for my relationship with my mom, who, despite not being especially old, isn't going to be around forever. It's easy to forget the power that cars have to do things like this for us. They give us the freedom to move around our country, but long hours behind the wheel without regular distractions like Twitter or Netflix forces us to escape from our escapism and be present in the moment, for ourselves and those stuck in the car with us. In short, I needed a trip like this. Roadshow
You can excuse many other things, but that's just pathetic for a Honda product.
Not sure I'd call it pathetic per se but, they can do much better. My old 19 3.5 PAWS was good for 30mpg+ on a long distance road trip; and that included a few 'spirited applications' of the throttle from time to time.
Although I enjoy the results of the reflashing in my new 2.0T, I still say that the J35 w/10AT would have been a better overall entry level powertrain. (i.e.: 22 MDX).
Is the TLX performance priced the same as M3? If it’s a lot cheaper then why bugging him about performance. You get what you pay for, and there’s an inherent value aspect in Acura right there.
The problem comes when cheaper car has a better performance than the more expensive, luxurious, and performance focused vehicle.
C&D normally get fully optioned BMWs for tests but i havent seen BMW 340 with 20 inch rims. so most probably its not available in stock with dealers. they had no problem testing various tires combo on Civic Type R in long term tests.
than there is difference in character of engine. look at long term BMW 340 test. its performance at 40K miles is weaker than new.
while Honda Civic FI engine gain full 1.5 second in zero to 120mile timing. so it is logical to assume if they put TLX Type S on long term tests. it will gain much more performance. it just need right tire and wheel combination.
Go buy me some 21s and i will race in in those 21".. chrome is OK too.
I think it's like $55k so it's not out the spectrum of a Model 3 and is certainly more expensive than the long range model.
Well by M3 I meant, BMW M3, isn’t that what you guys are comparing the TLX sport to?
Sure the Model 3 will easily win a price / performance argument with that.
09-02-2021, 02:52 PM
she's seriously pulling the selective source card??
RoadShow
Enlarge ImageWe've put nearly 15,000 miles on our TLX now.
+28 More The plan is simple: Mom flies down (she has less fear of catching the 'rona on a plane than I do) and hangs out for a day or two to see my wife, our cats and our newly rented house. Then we pile our stuff into the TLX and set out for the Pacific Northwest. I'm getting close to 40, she's getting real close to 60, and in the spirit of Danny Glover's Roger Murtaugh, we both agree that we're "getting too old for this shit" and decide to break the drive up into two days.
Enlarge ImageSteven Ewing/Roadshow Long hours behind the wheel without regular distractions like Twitter or Netflix forces us to escape from our escapism and be present in the moment.That conversation aspect is a large part of why I wanted my mom with me on this trip. We chat on the phone a couple of times a week usually, but it's rare that we really talk. Being stuck together in a car is a chance to reconnect after years of distance, and it seems to be working.
Enlarge ImageWe wish our TLX's four-cylinder engine returned better fuel economy. 
