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05-30-2020, 05:28 PM
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It is normal practice by other automakers that two turbochargers are using with V6 motors, one turbo for each cylinder bank; except Inline-6 motor which utilizes only a single turbocharger/supercharger.
However, as we all know, Honda loves to do things differently, especially that it has been hanging onto the J-series SOHC V6 for so long, when others have long moved onto DOHC V6 powerplants. So it is possible that Honda employs a single twin-scroll turbocharger with two outlets, each feeding one side of the 2 cylinder banks.
However, as we all know, Honda loves to do things differently, especially that it has been hanging onto the J-series SOHC V6 for so long, when others have long moved onto DOHC V6 powerplants. So it is possible that Honda employs a single twin-scroll turbocharger with two outlets, each feeding one side of the 2 cylinder banks.
05-30-2020, 05:32 PM
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06-01-2020, 12:40 AM
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. Tallest Honda SUV is fastest. and its 3 second difference at 100 mph. how crappy is the competition even with lower height SUVs and all that worthless low end torque.
https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1554486643.pdf
https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1554486643.pdf
I don't even know what this says but I bet that some lower height SUVs (GLC AMG, trackhawk, etc) are all quite a lot faster at any speed than a Passport.
06-01-2020, 01:19 PM
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After watching the video a second time, really like the center stackup and controls.
Still wished the driver instrument display was all digital and touchscreen for center display though
Most perplexing feature/function to me is the brake by wire electric braking system (same as the NSX 2G stepper/servo motor system)
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06-01-2020, 01:44 PM
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Now I'm confused.
According to reporting in Car and Driver:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...n-photos-info/
Not exactly mandatory, though that theoretically twin turbos should improve response rather than having it marginally further downstream, post-merge.
I made this mistake earlier in this thread without scrutinizing too much because for a very long time, rumors abounded that it would be a TT V6.
My thinking is if it were a twin turbo V6, Acura would probably put more emphasis on that aspect in the marketing.
I made this mistake earlier in this thread without scrutinizing too much because for a very long time, rumors abounded that it would be a TT V6.
My thinking is if it were a twin turbo V6, Acura would probably put more emphasis on that aspect in the marketing.
Twin turbo are just two turbos. A twin scroll turbo is the design of the turbo.. A twin scroll turbo splits the exhaust into two ports. It gathers exhaust from a pair of cylinders in alternating sequence from two exhaust down tubes. The BMW 2.0T (B48) and 3.0T (B58) engines use a single twin scroll turbo. People always assume twin scroll means twin turbo. Nothing that google and or youtube can explain in detail.
06-01-2020, 01:48 PM
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Twin turbo are just two turbos. A twin scroll turbo is the design of the turbo.. A twin scroll turbo splits the exhaust into two ports. It gathers exhaust from a pair of cylinders in alternating sequence from two exhaust down tubes. The BMW 2.0T (B48) and 3.0T (B58) engines use a single twin scroll turbo. People always assume twin scroll means twin turbo. Nothing that google and or youtube can explain in detail.
06-02-2020, 06:51 PM
I just really wish they gave us the front bumper from the show car. That nose clip is probably too low for speed bumps and driveways. But My Oh My, is it Sweet!!!! I wonder what the after market will bring. That look is so aggressive yet so classy.
On the performance side: My current BMW 540 is officially rated at 335 hp/332 Torque and hits 0 to 60 in 4.7 but I timed it at 4.5. And yes, I know that BMW lies about their horsepower and torque. The BMW also has an excellent 8 speed ZF automatic transmission. I expect the S-type to have the same or a beefed up version of the transmission from the excellent RDX. I also expect the TLX to be lighter than the 540. I therefore would estimate 0-60 in low 4 second range.
4.1 to 4.5 seconds would be fantastic! and $25K cheaper to boot....Nice! Ok, no massaging seats. I'll live!
If only the TLX had the staggered tire setup that the BMW had 245 mm width up front and 275 rear. The square set up will make tire rotations and tires a lot more economical.
On the performance side: My current BMW 540 is officially rated at 335 hp/332 Torque and hits 0 to 60 in 4.7 but I timed it at 4.5. And yes, I know that BMW lies about their horsepower and torque. The BMW also has an excellent 8 speed ZF automatic transmission. I expect the S-type to have the same or a beefed up version of the transmission from the excellent RDX. I also expect the TLX to be lighter than the 540. I therefore would estimate 0-60 in low 4 second range.
4.1 to 4.5 seconds would be fantastic! and $25K cheaper to boot....Nice! Ok, no massaging seats. I'll live!
If only the TLX had the staggered tire setup that the BMW had 245 mm width up front and 275 rear. The square set up will make tire rotations and tires a lot more economical.
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06-03-2020, 11:57 AM
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I just really wish they gave us the front bumper from the show car. That nose clip is probably too low for speed bumps and driveways. But My Oh My, is it Sweet!!!! I wonder what the after market will bring. That look is so aggressive yet so classy.
On the performance side: My current BMW 540 is officially rated at 335 hp/332 Torque and hits 0 to 60 in 4.7 but I timed it at 4.5. And yes, I know that BMW lies about their horsepower and torque. The BMW also has an excellent 8 speed ZF automatic transmission. I expect the S-type to have the same or a beefed up version of the transmission from the excellent RDX. I also expect the TLX to be lighter than the 540. I therefore would estimate 0-60 in low 4 second range.
4.1 to 4.5 seconds would be fantastic! and $25K cheaper to boot....Nice! Ok, no massaging seats. I'll live!
If only the TLX had the staggered tire setup that the BMW had 245 mm width up front and 275 rear. The square set up will make tire rotations and tires a lot more economical.
On the performance side: My current BMW 540 is officially rated at 335 hp/332 Torque and hits 0 to 60 in 4.7 but I timed it at 4.5. And yes, I know that BMW lies about their horsepower and torque. The BMW also has an excellent 8 speed ZF automatic transmission. I expect the S-type to have the same or a beefed up version of the transmission from the excellent RDX. I also expect the TLX to be lighter than the 540. I therefore would estimate 0-60 in low 4 second range.
4.1 to 4.5 seconds would be fantastic! and $25K cheaper to boot....Nice! Ok, no massaging seats. I'll live!
If only the TLX had the staggered tire setup that the BMW had 245 mm width up front and 275 rear. The square set up will make tire rotations and tires a lot more economical.
Also using your 540 335hp and 0-60 to predict TLX's # is not even close to reality on so many levels.
06-04-2020, 08:20 AM
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I really like the looks of the TypeS both inside and out. Sad it will be almost a full year till it is available.
06-19-2020, 05:07 PM
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06-20-2020, 09:40 AM
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Acura is aware of the leaks. Lol.
06-20-2020, 01:56 PM
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07-30-2020, 10:56 AM
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Lame.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-s-horsepower/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-s-horsepower/
2021 Acura TLX Type S's 3.0L V-6 Makes 355 HP, 354 LB-FT
The new turbo V-6 makes 65 hp more than the old TLX V-6, and all Type S models come with SH-AWD and a 10-speed automatic transmission.
The 2021 Acura TLX looks great, and with it comes a new Type S model powered by a turbocharged V-6 that should make enthusiasts grin. But there was one looming question when the new sedan was unveiled: how much power will the new six make? The Type S is set to arrive this spring, and Acura has finally announced that it produces 355 horsepower and 354 lb-ft of torque. That amount of power puts the TLX Type S right between the Audi S4, which makes 349 horsepower from a turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6, and the BMW M340i, which is powered by a 382-hp turbocharged inline-six. The Type S's 355 ponies will be sent to all four wheels through Acura's SH-AWD system and a 10-speed automatic transmission. Sadly, there's no manual option. Don't get too upset, though, because Acura assures us that the Type S badge will adorn other performance-oriented Acuras in the future.
Adaptive dampers are standard on the Type S and optional on the regular TLX, which is powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four making 272 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque. The Type S gets 20-inch wheels wrapped in 255/35 all-season tires, and a summer performance tire will be optional. We'll have to wait until early next year to experience the TLX Type S's 355 ponies, as Type S models will arrive at dealers starting in the spring of 2021 (the base model will go on sale this fall). Pricing is expected to start around $35,000 for the standard TLX and around $45,000 for the Type S.
The new turbo V-6 makes 65 hp more than the old TLX V-6, and all Type S models come with SH-AWD and a 10-speed automatic transmission.
The 2021 Acura TLX looks great, and with it comes a new Type S model powered by a turbocharged V-6 that should make enthusiasts grin. But there was one looming question when the new sedan was unveiled: how much power will the new six make? The Type S is set to arrive this spring, and Acura has finally announced that it produces 355 horsepower and 354 lb-ft of torque. That amount of power puts the TLX Type S right between the Audi S4, which makes 349 horsepower from a turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6, and the BMW M340i, which is powered by a 382-hp turbocharged inline-six. The Type S's 355 ponies will be sent to all four wheels through Acura's SH-AWD system and a 10-speed automatic transmission. Sadly, there's no manual option. Don't get too upset, though, because Acura assures us that the Type S badge will adorn other performance-oriented Acuras in the future.
Adaptive dampers are standard on the Type S and optional on the regular TLX, which is powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four making 272 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque. The Type S gets 20-inch wheels wrapped in 255/35 all-season tires, and a summer performance tire will be optional. We'll have to wait until early next year to experience the TLX Type S's 355 ponies, as Type S models will arrive at dealers starting in the spring of 2021 (the base model will go on sale this fall). Pricing is expected to start around $35,000 for the standard TLX and around $45,000 for the Type S.
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the base is powered by a 4-cylinder?! 
07-30-2020, 11:43 AM
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Yeah, where have you been...
As for 355hp, a bummer but about what I expected. Just hope they put good enough parts that can allow tunes to bump that up safely. My 2015 S4 "only" had 333hp, but a tune and pulley upgrade has it around 450hp reliably.
Still let down it's auto only, even if that was expected. I'll be holding onto 6MT S4 as long as possible.
As for 355hp, a bummer but about what I expected. Just hope they put good enough parts that can allow tunes to bump that up safely. My 2015 S4 "only" had 333hp, but a tune and pulley upgrade has it around 450hp reliably.
Still let down it's auto only, even if that was expected. I'll be holding onto 6MT S4 as long as possible.
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I haven't paid attention to Acura since they discontinued the 3G TL. Oh and finally released the NSX 
Still running my 07 3G TL thou. keeping it until the wheels fall off.
Still running my 07 3G TL thou. keeping it until the wheels fall off.
07-30-2020, 12:00 PM
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The projected starting price of $45k for the Type S was a bit of a shock. Based on the price of the current A-Spec, I was fully expecting a $50k car. They still have my attention, as that undercuts their competition, but as coop said - I'll wait to see what the tunability is. The BMW has more hp and torque and can pick up an additional 100hp with a reflash. The Audi is rated at 349/369 and can pick up around the same with a stage 1 reflash. I have doubts that Honda will be as responsive.
07-30-2020, 12:27 PM
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The projected starting price of $45k for the Type S was a bit of a shock. Based on the price of the current A-Spec, I was fully expecting a $50k car. They still have my attention, as that undercuts their competition, but as coop said - I'll wait to see what the tunability is. The BMW has more hp and torque and can pick up an additional 100hp with a reflash. The Audi is rated at 349/369 and can pick up around the same with a stage 1 reflash. I have doubts that Honda will be as responsive.
07-30-2020, 12:43 PM
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From the recent Acura video, the guy said "We upgraded the turbo and did a lot of software tuning and still couldn't get close to the power of the Type S." This was at 1:32 into the video. So don't think the 355hp is the final numbers. That's probably just for their Pike's Peak cars.
07-30-2020, 12:45 PM
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If someone puts together a flex fuel kit and tune for it, that's a gain of 50hp and 100 lb-ft torque. Would put you at the 400hp mark.
07-30-2020, 01:10 PM
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Let's clear up a few things.
Numbers are just numbers, don't let this be the issue.
Nobody knows the Actual Hp/Tq numbers for the type-s since it was expected, and even if the 355 hp and 354 tq are the claimed stock numbers, they still don't mean anything.
The only way to determine IF these stock numbers are under rated, is for the type-s to hit the rollers.
The Germans ALL have under rated their engine numbers so whatever is on paper, is total bullshit anyway.
The 2.0T will be the prefer choice of many. The 2.0T is a well known engine which has aftermarket support. Throw a civic type-R turbo with a reflash tune, and it will out perform the type-s.
The 3.0T is completely new. New engine, new ecu ect. It will be a VERY long time before someone develops a RELIABLE tune with aftermarket parts. Don't hold your breath on this.
Most tune company's provide claims numbers on STOCK numbers. Most will say "this tune brings the vehicle to xxx hp and xxx tq, gains of XXX and XXX" the gains are added to the stock numbers. The gained numbers are correct since they are supported with dyno pulls.
It's hard to say with a tune the TLX-S will put you in the 400 hp range since nobody knows the true base line numbers. It's all speculations and again, spinning around the drain of disappointments and false hopes.
Let the production ready model come out and the journalist put it to the test. Cars.com did a review on the 2020 M340i (0-60 and 1/4 mile) and track tested the vehicle and nailed numbers much quicker than what BMW claims.
Numbers are just numbers, don't let this be the issue.
Nobody knows the Actual Hp/Tq numbers for the type-s since it was expected, and even if the 355 hp and 354 tq are the claimed stock numbers, they still don't mean anything.
The only way to determine IF these stock numbers are under rated, is for the type-s to hit the rollers.
The Germans ALL have under rated their engine numbers so whatever is on paper, is total bullshit anyway.
The 2.0T will be the prefer choice of many. The 2.0T is a well known engine which has aftermarket support. Throw a civic type-R turbo with a reflash tune, and it will out perform the type-s.
The 3.0T is completely new. New engine, new ecu ect. It will be a VERY long time before someone develops a RELIABLE tune with aftermarket parts. Don't hold your breath on this.
Most tune company's provide claims numbers on STOCK numbers. Most will say "this tune brings the vehicle to xxx hp and xxx tq, gains of XXX and XXX" the gains are added to the stock numbers. The gained numbers are correct since they are supported with dyno pulls.
It's hard to say with a tune the TLX-S will put you in the 400 hp range since nobody knows the true base line numbers. It's all speculations and again, spinning around the drain of disappointments and false hopes.
Let the production ready model come out and the journalist put it to the test. Cars.com did a review on the 2020 M340i (0-60 and 1/4 mile) and track tested the vehicle and nailed numbers much quicker than what BMW claims.
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07-30-2020, 01:37 PM
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From the recent Acura video, the guy said "We upgraded the turbo and did a lot of software tuning and still couldn't get close to the power of the Type S." This was at 1:32 into the video. So don't think the 355hp is the final numbers. That's probably just for their Pike's Peak cars.
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles/2021-tlx
The only way to determine IF these stock numbers are under rated, is for the type-s to hit the rollers.
The Germans ALL have under rated their engine numbers so whatever is on paper, is total bullshit anyway.
The 2.0T will be the prefer choice of many. The 2.0T is a well known engine which has aftermarket support. Throw a civic type-R turbo with a reflash tune, and it will out perform the type-s.
The 3.0T is completely new. New engine, new ecu ect. It will be a VERY long time before someone develops a RELIABLE tune with aftermarket parts. Don't hold your breath on this.
The Germans ALL have under rated their engine numbers so whatever is on paper, is total bullshit anyway.
The 2.0T will be the prefer choice of many. The 2.0T is a well known engine which has aftermarket support. Throw a civic type-R turbo with a reflash tune, and it will out perform the type-s.
The 3.0T is completely new. New engine, new ecu ect. It will be a VERY long time before someone develops a RELIABLE tune with aftermarket parts. Don't hold your breath on this.
Let the production ready model come out and the journalist put it to the test. Cars.com did a review on the 2020 M340i (0-60 and 1/4 mile) and track tested the vehicle and nailed numbers much quicker than what BMW claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREhX9GvQqU
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07-30-2020, 01:51 PM
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The projected starting price of $45k for the Type S was a bit of a shock. Based on the price of the current A-Spec, I was fully expecting a $50k car. They still have my attention, as that undercuts their competition, but as coop said - I'll wait to see what the tunability is. The BMW has more hp and torque and can pick up an additional 100hp with a reflash. The Audi is rated at 349/369 and can pick up around the same with a stage 1 reflash. I have doubts that Honda will be as responsive.
They only advertise the lower numbers because they don't want to piss us off when we find out that the engine is less powerful than advertised.
I don't know if this is something to do with laws in Germany or the EU in general but it seems that all the German makes do it. In the US and Japan, they don't care as much and will probably give you a nominal value or even a best case value.
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07-30-2020, 02:03 PM
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The projected starting price of $45k for the Type S was a bit of a shock. Based on the price of the current A-Spec, I was fully expecting a $50k car. They still have my attention, as that undercuts their competition, but as coop said - I'll wait to see what the tunability is. The BMW has more hp and torque and can pick up an additional 100hp with a reflash. The Audi is rated at 349/369 and can pick up around the same with a stage 1 reflash. I have doubts that Honda will be as responsive.
07-30-2020, 02:09 PM
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To be fair, I bet the TLX-S will come with a shit ton of standard features at that $45k mark. Most of those features will be optional on comparable M340, C43, and S4 models which will widen that gap even larger. I'd give up the immediate ability to tune for more power for a far lower cost of entry and (potentially) lower service costs.
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The ones you have to pay probably wont be offered on TL-S anyway or as options. ... like laser light.. hand gesture and etc...
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07-30-2020, 02:12 PM
Yeah, this is one of the biggest myths about BMWs and Mercedes. Everyone thinks they cost so much once you option them up, and that's true, but the price only goes sky high when you option it with a bunch of gimmicky stuff you can't even get on an Acura. If you spec them to be more inline with what you get from Acura, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. It's still more expensive, yes, but not glaringly so.
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07-30-2020, 02:20 PM
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I was hoping TL-S will be at 400hp at least on paper... It will put the new TLS into the same conversation. With 355hp... .. meh i expected more..
like how the CL-S had 260hp and E36 M3 only had 240.... let alone 330i... at the time.
A stock M340i-Xdrive is currently running low to mid 12s. in 1/4. I seriously doubt TLS with 355hp will be anywhere close to it.
With a stage 1 tune and a dp.. it is a mid 11 car.
like how the CL-S had 260hp and E36 M3 only had 240.... let alone 330i... at the time.
A stock M340i-Xdrive is currently running low to mid 12s. in 1/4. I seriously doubt TLS with 355hp will be anywhere close to it.
With a stage 1 tune and a dp.. it is a mid 11 car.
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07-30-2020, 02:42 PM
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Yeah, this is one of the biggest myths about BMWs and Mercedes. Everyone thinks they cost so much once you option them up, and that's true, but the price only goes sky high when you option it with a bunch of gimmicky stuff you can't even get on an Acura. If you spec them to be more inline with what you get from Acura, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. It's still more expensive, yes, but not glaringly so.
Looking at BMW's website, the M340i starts at $54,700. Anything other than the basic white is a bit extra, along with the wheels and interior color/leather/etc.
Looking at options/packages:
$1400 - Premium (HUD, heated steering and front seats)
$2600 - Executive (HUD, heated steering wheel and front seats, gesture control, "adaptive LED with laserlight")
$700 - Driving assistance package (BSD, LDW, parking distance control)
$1,700 - Driving assistance professional package (above + "traffic jam assistant" and "active assistant driving pro")
$700 - Parking assistance package ( sensors, self parallel park, 3D view, rear view camera*)
$500 - Wireless charging and wifi hotspot
$300 - Remote engine start
$250 - Power tailgate
Looking at all that...except for the higher level semi-autopolit stuff and the gimmicky 3D camera...for a car that is in the upper-mid tier 3-series, it doesn't come with what I would say should be standard for a luxury sedan.
Honda could include heated steering wheel/front seats, HUD, BSD/LDW/Parking sensors and wireless charging as standard and if priced below $50,000 you have some competition there....
To me it seems like many of these options are not "gimmicky stuff that you can't even get on an Acura"
Taking out the gesture control and the higher level autopilot stuff you're with these options:
$1400 premium package
$700 driving assistance package
$500 wireless charging and wifi
You're at $57,300...and this is the basic white color it seems...other exterior color is about $500 more
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07-30-2020, 02:42 PM
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- Color that isn't white ($550+)
- Leather seats ($1500)
- Heated seats ($500 unless bought as part of a package which is $1400)
- Better sound system ($875)
- Adaptive suspension ($700)
- Driving assistance package like Honda Sensing ($2400)
Add in a starting price that's ~$12k higher to begin with and it starts to make a lot of sense.
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