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Also $60k for a TLX-S is absurd, that's knocking on M3 and AMG money, it even out prices a M340i. $40k-$50k is more reasonable.
But if the 400+hp TLX-S is a M3/RS4/C63-AMG fighter, there is no reason why the new car can't priced close to the competitors' pricing.
If it is really the case, then Acura will also expect the sales volume of the image-boosting TLX-S to be similar to those of M3/RS4/C63, and not as a volume seller.
In comparison, the limited sales quantity NSX is rated at 573hp and at a whooping $145K+.
But if the 400+hp TLX-S is a M3/RS4/C63-AMG fighter, there is no reason why the new car can't priced close to the competitors' pricing.
If it is really the case, then Acura will also expect the sales volume of the image-boosting TLX-S to be similar to those of M3/RS4/C63, and not as a volume seller.
In comparison, the limited sales quantity NSX is rated at 573hp and at a whooping $145K+.
It's not all about horsepower lol. The Infiniti Red Sport has 400hp and it sucks as a car. It's also priced close to the M3 and C63, guess which ones sell better. The already out there TLX has 300hp, why does it sell less than a BMW 330 which only has 250hp at the same price?
The NSX is rated at 573hp and costs $145k. I bet the Lambo Huracan and Ferrari 488 each sell more even though they're double the price. At the same time, the GT350 has similar power numbers but only costs $70k.
The badge has a cost even if it's just a tax. Also, interior and driving dynamics play a huge part of it.
Purely speculation but this thing will not be an M3/RS4/C63 fighter. I'm gonna liken it to what the 4G TL was - for all its subjective faults, the 6MT SH-AWD could go toe-to-toe with its contemporary in the B8 S4, even when equipped with the optional sport diff.
I will remain cautiously optimistic that this will have similar performance to a 440i M/S4/C43. I think its safe to assume it will be less expensive, and it may even have better performance than the aforementioned as well.
You will be missing out on brand prestige, dealership experience, interior luxury, etc. but will probably have a much lower cost of ownership.
It's not all about horsepower lol. The Infiniti Red Sport has 400hp and it sucks as a car. It's also priced close to the M3 and C63, guess which ones sell better. The already out there TLX has 300hp, why does it sell less than a BMW 330 which only has 250hp at the same price?
The NSX is rated at 573hp and costs $145k. I bet the Lambo Huracan and Ferrari 488 each sell more even though they're double the price. At the same time, the GT350 has similar power numbers but only costs $70k.
The badge has a cost even if it's just a tax. Also, interior and driving dynamics play a huge part of it.
We exactly don't know BMW 330i sales and various options.
TLX is beating at home delivery brand like Genesis.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301033725.html FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., April 1, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Genesis Motor America today reported sales of 969 units in March 2020, a 33.2 percent decrease compared with the prior year.
But if the 400+hp TLX-S is a M3/RS4/C63-AMG fighter, there is no reason why the new car can't priced close to the competitors' pricing.
If it is really the case, then Acura will also expect the sales volume of the image-boosting TLX-S to be similar to those of M3/RS4/C63, and not as a volume seller.
In comparison, the limited sales quantity NSX is rated at 573hp and at a whooping $145K+.
TLS/TLX-S was never a M3 fighter and never will be. M3/RS4/C63 are all going to be over 500hp+ in addition to all performance components that we will never see on TLX-S. Not even in the same league of cars.
$100 E money says TLX-S will come with all season tires standard and no CC Brake as option.
It will compete with M340i, C43 and S4. I personally have doubts that it might not even beat those cars. We will see.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 04-10-2020 at 03:03 PM.
TLS/TLX-S was never a M3 fighter and never will be. M3/RS4/C63 are all going to be over 500hp+ in addition to all performance components that we will never see on TLX-S. Not even in the same league of cars.
$100 E money says TLX-S will come with all season tires standard and no CC Brake as option.
It will compete with M340i, C43 and S4. I personally have doubts that it might not even beat those cars. We will see.
Do M340i, C43 and S4 have torque vectoring? I am pretty sure the Audi has the Sports Differential option while the BMW may have the Active M Differential but they can be had for much more $.
Do M340i, C43 and S4 have torque vectoring? I am pretty sure the Audi has the Sports Differential option while the BMW may have the Active M Differential but they can be had for much more $.
M diff is standard on M340i..
Remember C43 and M340i even in AWD form are still heavily RWD biased. So naturally the car is more balanced than say a FWD biased AWD.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 04-11-2020 at 01:51 PM.
your transition to Hyundai this time is a little...... rough you need something to serve as as a bridge from BMW to Hyundai
Genesis is RWD brand with turbo and V8 with alot more customization with free 3 year maintance. 0% financing upto 84 months. very low resale value after 5 years. all the the ingredients of carbon copy of BMW. I just dont think Genesis or BMW can come close to Acura values.. Current 3 series just dont look upscale for the price. It will be rapidly lose values faster than even previous 3 series.
I estimate next TLX will be size between BMW 3 series and 5 series... Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-cares.html
Enjoy a worry-free ownership experience that includes Complimentary Scheduled Maintenance* for 3 years or 36,000 miles; whichever comes first. Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment
If you purchase a new Genesis and experience a job loss caused by COVID-19 anytime this year, Genesis will make your payment for up to 6 months.* Also, well-qualified buyers can finance a new 2019 Genesis G70 through Genesis Finance at 0% APR for 84 months and defer payments for up to 120 days.* Because a relationship means we are in this together.
Purely speculation but this thing will not be an M3/RS4/C63 fighter. I'm gonna liken it to what the 4G TL was - for all its subjective faults, the 6MT SH-AWD could go toe-to-toe with its contemporary in the B8 S4, even when equipped with the optional sport diff.
I will remain cautiously optimistic that this will have similar performance to a 440i M/S4/C43. I think its safe to assume it will be less expensive, and it may even have better performance than the aforementioned as well.
You will be missing out on brand prestige, dealership experience, interior luxury, etc. but will probably have a much lower cost of ownership.
+1 The TLX Type-S is probably the step up sporty models from the Germans like you indicate.
I'm optimistic as well, Acura delivered on the NSX. It captured their vision for a everyday supercar.
Perhaps the 2G TLX will capture the spirit of the great 3G TL.
Purely speculation but this thing will not be an M3/RS4/C63 fighter. I'm gonna liken it to what the 4G TL was - for all its subjective faults, the 6MT SH-AWD could go toe-to-toe with its contemporary in the B8 S4, even when equipped with the optional sport diff.
I will remain cautiously optimistic that this will have similar performance to a 440i M/S4/C43. I think its safe to assume it will be less expensive, and it may even have better performance than the aforementioned as well.
You will be missing out on brand prestige, dealership experience, interior luxury, etc. but will probably have a much lower cost of ownership.
Yea pretty sure the type s is more of a 440i m , s4, c43 competitor too.
they seem pretty serious about the car with its own platform and also double wishbone suspension.
For the interior if it's similar to the rdx, then it will also be a huge upgrade over the current tlx.
Genesis is RWD brand with turbo and V8 with alot more customization with free 3 year maintance. 0% financing upto 84 months. very low resale value after 5 years. all the the ingredients of carbon copy of BMW. I just dont think Genesis or BMW can come close to Acura values.. Current 3 series just dont look upscale for the price. It will be rapidly lose values faster than even previous 3 series.
I estimate next TLX will be size between BMW 3 series and 5 series... Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-cares.html
Enjoy a worry-free ownership experience that includes Complimentary Scheduled Maintenance* for 3 years or 36,000 miles; whichever comes first. Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment
If you purchase a new Genesis and experience a job loss caused by COVID-19 anytime this year, Genesis will make your payment for up to 6 months.* Also, well-qualified buyers can finance a new 2019 Genesis G70 through Genesis Finance at 0% APR for 84 months and defer payments for up to 120 days.* B
We exactly don't know BMW 330i sales and various options.
TLX is beating at home delivery brand like Genesis.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Genesis is RWD brand with turbo and V8 with alot more customization with free 3 year maintance. 0% financing upto 84 months. very low resale value after 5 years. all the the ingredients of carbon copy of BMW. I just dont think Genesis or BMW can come close to Acura values.. Current 3 series just dont look upscale for the price. It will be rapidly lose values faster than even previous 3 series.
I estimate next TLX will be size between BMW 3 series and 5 series... Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-cares.html
I've been gone awhile...I missed you, man! orry-free ownership experience that includes Complimentary Scheduled Maintenance* for 3 years or 36,000 miles; whichever comes first. Plus, complimentary oil changes every normally scheduled maintenance appointment If you purchase a new Genesis and experience a job loss caused by COVID-19 anytime this year, Genesis will make your payment for up to 6 months.* Also, well-qualified buyers can finance a new 2019 Genesis G70 through Genesis Finance at 0% APR for 84 months and defer payments for up to 120 days.* Because a relationship means we are in this toget
Can they bring back the manual transmission option, too?
It'd be nice, but I doubt it. Acura can surprise since the 2G TL didn't have a MT but the 3G TL did.
However sales were low for the MT for the 3G and 4G TL's, so not expecting it.
I expect the continuation of the Honda DCT-8 for a turbo 4 (my guess), which will be the 2l turbo K20C4 series 4 cylinder motor from the Accord/RDX will be used.
The V6 turbo will get a larger new DCT or Honda's 10AT. The ZF9 is gone for any future new Honda designs..
Someone created a pretty cool animation of the ZF9 operation of the various clutches and gears on Wiki.
Besides the powertrains, the double wishbone front suspension and unique chassis to me are the big news for the 2G TLX
There are way too many fan boys having issues understanding how Acura operates. Acura always butchers the final production ready vehicle. I doubt the Carbon fiber will see final production as well as the wheels, those specific calipers and most of the exterior design (mirrors, bumpers ect). The vehicle will have brembo brakes, more than likely smaller calipers. Bumpers will end up being less aggressive and toned down along with some other exterior items. Interior will probably be similar to the RDX, which isn't terrible but could be better. Here's the biggest fan boy debate with this car. How much HP will it have? Most are saying about 350-370, while others are saying 400+. Regardless of the numbers, Acura's number might actual be on the money and not underrated like the Germans. This vehicle, loaded might end up costing around 55-60K. That's a lot of coin for a company that's been sleeping on performance and I'm not here to discuss the NSX. Almost every other manufacture makes a sporty or performance version of their base model. The other issue I see and I know this 1st hand, Acura has been doing bread and butter builds throughout the years. Throw the service department something beyond what they normally handle and I can assure you there will be a lot of calls out to tech line for assistance. I wouldn't touch any of these 1st year production Type-s models. Except a lot of issues across the board and dealerships struggling to make the correct repairs. The best Acura's made, are long discontinued. Let's hope for the best for them, but expect to be disappointed.
Curious if Michelle Christensen, Acura's lead exterior designer for the 2G NSX is working on the 2G TLX?
Some of the flow of the 2G TLX concept pics look like her work with line/flow progression.
... The Acura Type S Concept was conceived by the Acura Design Studio in California, led by executive creative director, Dave Marek, and chief designer, Ben Davidson...
04-09-2020, 03:10 PM
and no CC Brake as option.
2021 TLS Type-S SPIED
purchase a new Genesis and experience a job loss caused by COVID-19 anytime this year, Genesis will make your payment for up to 6 months.* Also, well-qualified buyers can finance a new 2019 Genesis G70 through Genesis Finance at 0% APR for 84 months and defer payments for up to 120 days.* Because a relationship means we are in this together.
The TLX Type-S is probably the step up sporty models from the Germans like you indicate.
