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Our HR manager has one for a loaner while her RDX is in the shop. Just sitting in the parking lot it's a nice place to be, very comfortable.
Can't tell off hand if it's a 4 or 6 though. Pretty sure it's a 4, based on the wheels.
Don't care for the dark red on tan color scheme though.
Can't tell off hand if it's a 4 or 6 though. Pretty sure it's a 4, based on the wheels.
Don't care for the dark red on tan color scheme though.
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Oh for sure it's a nice car to drive and a nice cabin to be in. Its ride comfort is top notch too for both 2.4 and 3.5 models. It's also a pretty decent looking car in person except for those fugly 17" rims and not-so-hidden exhaust tips. The thing is, the TLX is a great car considering its price. But the problem is that there's no trim that would get enthusiasts excited. There are a few things that I'd like Acura to fix but in general they got the basic stuff right. It's time to introduce something fun and exciting to the TLX line.
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Oh for sure it's a nice car to drive and a nice cabin to be in. Its ride comfort is top notch too for both 2.4 and 3.5 models. It's also a pretty decent looking car in person except for those fugly 17" rims and not-so-hidden exhaust tips. The thing is, the TLX is a great car considering its price. But the problem is that there's no trim that would get enthusiasts excited. There are a few things that I'd like Acura to fix but in general they got the basic stuff right. It's time to introduce something fun and exciting to the TLX line.
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Oh for sure it's a nice car to drive and a nice cabin to be in. Its ride comfort is top notch too for both 2.4 and 3.5 models. It's also a pretty decent looking car in person except for those fugly 17" rims and not-so-hidden exhaust tips. The thing is, the TLX is a great car considering its price. But the problem is that there's no trim that would get enthusiasts excited. There are a few things that I'd like Acura to fix but in general they got the basic stuff right. It's time to introduce something fun and exciting to the TLX line.
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Oh for sure it's a nice car to drive and a nice cabin to be in. Its ride comfort is top notch too for both 2.4 and 3.5 models. It's also a pretty decent looking car in person except for those fugly 17" rims and not-so-hidden exhaust tips. The thing is, the TLX is a great car considering its price. But the problem is that there's no trim that would get enthusiasts excited. There are a few things that I'd like Acura to fix but in general they got the basic stuff right. It's time to introduce something fun and exciting to the TLX line.
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Oh for sure it's a nice car to drive and a nice cabin to be in. Its ride comfort is top notch too for both 2.4 and 3.5 models. It's also a pretty decent looking car in person except for those fugly 17" rims and not-so-hidden exhaust tips. The thing is, the TLX is a great car considering its price. But the problem is that there's no trim that would get enthusiasts excited. There are a few things that I'd like Acura to fix but in general they got the basic stuff right. It's time to introduce something fun and exciting to the TLX line.
Also Honda/Acura shoulda hired Gordon Murray for the 2G NSX. Designer and chief engineer on the McLaren F1 road car and numerous Bramham and McLaren F1 racing cars. His inspiration for the F1 was the 1G NSX, and although he can be uncompromising (had a bad stint on the MB SLS) he is an amazing visionary.
Suspension tweaks, bigger wheel/tires, motor tuning, Brembo's, and 6MT would improve the TLX alot. Basic chassis, styling and platform are fundamentally OK.
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And its this type of thinking as to why they arent. One shouldnt be fine with it in its current state. One shouldnt like it because they dont have anything to help elevate them to that status. One needs to want them to be.
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If Charlie Baker was still at Acura/Honda the TLX would probably have been more sporty. Baker (former VP and chief engineer on 1G Pilot, 1G MDX, 7G Accord, 2G CL) was involved with the 2G TL and insisted on dual exhaust tips on opposite sides. He spent his early career at GM and muscle car guy. He left Honda a decade ago and is back on GM now.
Also Honda/Acura shoulda hired Gordon Murray for the 2G NSX. Designer and chief engineer on the McLaren F1 road car and numerous Bramham and McLaren F1 racing cars. His inspiration for the F1 was the 1G NSX, and although he can be uncompromising (had a bad stint on the MB SLS) he is an amazing visionary.
Suspension tweaks, bigger wheel/tires, motor tuning, Brembo's, and 6MT would improve the TLX alot. Basic chassis, styling and platform are fundamentally OK.
Also Honda/Acura shoulda hired Gordon Murray for the 2G NSX. Designer and chief engineer on the McLaren F1 road car and numerous Bramham and McLaren F1 racing cars. His inspiration for the F1 was the 1G NSX, and although he can be uncompromising (had a bad stint on the MB SLS) he is an amazing visionary.
Suspension tweaks, bigger wheel/tires, motor tuning, Brembo's, and 6MT would improve the TLX alot. Basic chassis, styling and platform are fundamentally OK.
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Based on what's available, I think Acura could use a variation of the 2.0T engine with 6MT, or use the RLX Sport Hybrid's system. The former option would probably be more fun but I'm not sure if that combo would work with SH-AWD. The tri-motor option would make the TLX a very capable car as long as all components fit.
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Based on what's available, I think Acura could use a variation of the 2.0T engine with 6MT, or use the RLX Sport Hybrid's system. The former option would probably be more fun but I'm not sure if that combo would work with SH-AWD. The tri-motor option would make the TLX a very capable car as long as all components fit.
and it has been proven that Market does not really care about sports hybrid right now (Other than super exotics)
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no I don't think that, but the financial situation of all of those companies is a bit different than acura. infiniti, for one, has barely made it to 2014 alive. do you think acura is just trying to drive away enthusiasts?
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it's only sold what is expected when taking away 2 models.
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For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
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I was more referring to the fact that Honda/Acura still refuses to listen to it's customers and prefers to tell them what they want.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
don't get me wrong I'd like to see a tlx type-s and a coupe but, I don't think acura is making decisions to piss anyone off. just trying to get the most juice for the squeeze in selling cars.
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You don't seem to understand the basic of luxury auto market.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
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You don't seem to understand the basic of luxury auto market.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
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That is not my winning formula.. that is everyone else's
I didn't want to sound like "i know it all", i don't but apparently i know a lot more than you do, since you did not even know when CL-S was released and there was an M3 in 1993?
shit if Acura listened to us 10 years ago, it would be right up there with Lexus.
Remember, Acura DOES NOT listen to consumers. they decide on what consumers want.
I didn't want to sound like "i know it all", i don't but apparently i know a lot more than you do, since you did not even know when CL-S was released and there was an M3 in 1993?
shit if Acura listened to us 10 years ago, it would be right up there with Lexus.
Remember, Acura DOES NOT listen to consumers. they decide on what consumers want.
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Not everyone will be successful even with the right formula. while Infiniti does not sell as many cars but the brand itself is generally viewed higher than Acura. They currently do not have the right models and most of their crap are from 2008.
For one, they are not afraid to give what the consumers want.
You want 6mt, Q60 will have it. You want more power, turbo I4 and V6 are coming. You don't like the E-steering, we will drop it and put the hydrolic steering back... sounds a lot more appealing to me than Acura...
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I'm pretty sure my cat knows more about the automotive industry and how to run a successful luxury brand than him... that cat stares at walls for entertainment.
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Sorry...I'm an accountant and just have an irrational aversion to invoking the "accountants" when management decides to do stupid things. It wasn't the "accountants" who designed the beak. It wasn't the "accountants" who decided to stick with the beak when it was an obvious failure in the market. The "accountants" may have told management what the realistic financial constraints were, but it was management who did stupid thing after stupid thing within those constraints.
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I was more referring to the fact that Honda/Acura still refuses to listen to it's customers and prefers to tell them what they want.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
that's pretty cool that mazda does stuff like that. I know bmw has the individual program which is very customizable. I wonder if anyone on the forum has ever done something like that with honda/acura? maybe start a poll or something and forward to honda/acura? I don't think I've seen a single person on here asking for hidden exhausts.
don't get me wrong I'd like to see a tlx type-s and a coupe but, I don't think acura is making decisions to piss anyone off. just trying to get the most juice for the squeeze in selling cars.
don't get me wrong I'd like to see a tlx type-s and a coupe but, I don't think acura is making decisions to piss anyone off. just trying to get the most juice for the squeeze in selling cars.
I'm not sure there's a single person I have ever met or known who has liked the Acura beak. Yet it still exists in some way to this day. Why you ask? Because Honda doesn't GAF about what anyone else thinks. You'll still buy it, because it's a Honda. They are riding along on their reputation at this point but it'll eventually end.
You don't seem to understand the basic of luxury auto market.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
1st. Luxury Auto market is not the same as commodity auto market (Honda, Toyota and Nissan) and they should not be.
2nd. you need the non-profit, low volume cars to sell your volume leader. You need to put your brand name out there to the general public with innovative/exciting cars year after year. These low volume cars will make a bigger impression in your brain than the volume leader.
3rd. Remember these brands are not Necessities. They are luxury items. A basic transportation is necessity, a $60k commuter car is not.
4th if only selling boring, non intrusive cars is Acura's goal, then soon it will become Buick and Lincoln.
The M3/4 are the models getting people in the showroom to buy a 320i. That's the way it has always worked and every single brand has a halo model that serves that function...that is except for Honda.
That's not saying much.
Sorry...I'm an accountant and just have an irrational aversion to invoking the "accountants" when management decides to do stupid things. It wasn't the "accountants" who designed the beak. It wasn't the "accountants" who decided to stick with the beak when it was an obvious failure in the market. The "accountants" may have told management what the realistic financial constraints were, but it was management who did stupid thing after stupid thing within those constraints.
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you should put this knowledge of yours to work. I'm sure any car company would pay big $$$ if you could turn them into lexus.
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It takes $$$ to make more $$$$$$$.
Not everyone will be successful even with the right formula. while Infiniti does not sell as many cars but the brand itself is generally viewed higher than Acura. They currently do not have the right models and most of their crap are from 2008.
For one, they are not afraid to give what the consumers want.
You want 6mt, Q60 will have it. You want more power, turbo I4 and V6 are coming. You don't like the E-steering, we will drop it and put the hydrolic steering back... sounds a lot more appealing to me than Acura...
Not everyone will be successful even with the right formula. while Infiniti does not sell as many cars but the brand itself is generally viewed higher than Acura. They currently do not have the right models and most of their crap are from 2008.
For one, they are not afraid to give what the consumers want.
You want 6mt, Q60 will have it. You want more power, turbo I4 and V6 are coming. You don't like the E-steering, we will drop it and put the hydrolic steering back... sounds a lot more appealing to me than Acura...
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Sorry...I'm an accountant and just have an irrational aversion to invoking the "accountants" when management decides to do stupid things. It wasn't the "accountants" who designed the beak. It wasn't the "accountants" who decided to stick with the beak when it was an obvious failure in the market. The "accountants" may have told management what the realistic financial constraints were, but it was management who did stupid thing after stupid thing within those constraints.
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Yeah, as far as the manuals are concerned, the whole market is heading that way. Heck, you can't even get a Ferrari with a manual transmission anymore; the take rates are just too low.
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The sad part is that Honda doesn't care what we think. Even if there was a poll of a million people who said they don't want hidden exhausts, Honda would tell us all to sit on it and spin.
I'm not sure there's a single person I have ever met or known who has liked the Acura beak. Yet it still exists in some way to this day. Why you ask? Because Honda doesn't GAF about what anyone else thinks. You'll still buy it, because it's a Honda. They are riding along on their reputation at this point but it'll eventually end.
I'm not sure there's a single person I have ever met or known who has liked the Acura beak. Yet it still exists in some way to this day. Why you ask? Because Honda doesn't GAF about what anyone else thinks. You'll still buy it, because it's a Honda. They are riding along on their reputation at this point but it'll eventually end.
I don't know what the future holds.
ok.
maybe if folks at the forum feel strongly enough they should approach acura. if enough people are saying the same things surely they'd listen.
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This is what every performance and enthusiast related brand will do. MB, Lexus, Porsche, BMW, etc all have a way for you to get exactly what you want (if you're willing to pay for it) even things like completely custom one off colors. Simple things like color combos and feature sets are the things that really piss me off about Honda. Even though it's the EXACT SAME CAR I can't have a certain combo of colors or options? WTF? I've made this comment before but the Accord sport 6MT probably has the same exact same wiring harness and 98% of the same electrical components as the V6 Touring. Why the flying fvck can I not get a sunroof and leather seats in a sport manual?
I never saw Mazda as a company I'd be buying products from, but hearing that they're willing to listen to average Joes has definitely put them on my radar for the future.
I totally hear what you're saying about the Accords too. Isn't it absolutely frustrating?
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They were so good, i had 3 of them.
However, they slowly going with weird design and the same old VQ crap (sounds familiar?) and the market is punishing them for that as we speak.
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the other transmissions are lighter and shifting faster nowadays too, but there is a fun-factor to having a clutch.
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Infiniti DID give what the consumers want... for your lack of automotive knowledge, starting in 2003, G35/G35C and to some extend 2008+ G37 were a HUGE success for Infiniti.
They were so good, i had 3 of them.
However, they slowly going with weird design and the same old VQ crap (sounds familiar?) and the market is punishing them for that as we speak.
They were so good, i had 3 of them.
However, they slowly going with weird design and the same old VQ crap (sounds familiar?) and the market is punishing them for that as we speak.