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iTrader: (1)

$1500 brake job from the stealership? That sounds cheap.

Fibonacci

I had to google "pawl".

AZuser

Acura could fix things by offering a TLX Type S and a TLX coupe to increase the TLX's variation.

Increased competition should affect everyone. If it's only affecting Acura, then that says something about the brand and using the "increased competition" excuse is a bit weak when others can grow their car sales #s. It's not the competition, it's Acura and their weak car (i.e. non-truck/SUV) lineup.

The Audi A3 has been around since 2005 so it's not new competition for Acura or the TL. Interestingly, Acura had their best TL sales year ever in 2005 with 78,218 units sold.... the same year the A3 came out.

The A3 faces new competition from the CLA, the ILX (and TLX according to you since they're close in price), and the 1- and 2-series. Yet 2014 YTD A3 sales have already set a new record, and will be more than 2.5 times higher than their prior best year in 2006. Shouldn't this "increased competition" have affected them too, especially since Audi is (aside from Acura) the weakest of the main premium/luxury brands?

jwong77

I disagree the 5GT and Z4 sales numbers prove this to be the case. Even thoughh they have a strong brand, BMW still needs to produce something worth buying.

jwong77

That's really not a bad strategy considering the fact that SUV/CUV'S outsell sedans in the us marketplace.

Yumcha

That's fine. Mine does too.


But, so long as no one's feelings are hurt from personal attacks and trolling, headaches are allowable.

Edward'TLS

A $1500 brake job is about right for an Audi vehicle, because the expensive rotors will also get replaced in addition to the brake pads.

I don't know if it is a factory requirement, but Audi never reuse the rotors whenever new brake pads are changed.

Legend2TL

MeehowsBRZ

You two get along, that's shocking!




Anyways, for some actual TLX news, has this been posted yet?

From Autoblog: Acura TLX sales stopped over rollaway fears

RPhilMan1

I wonder how the public will react to this.

Imagine walking in to an Acura dealer, interested in a V6 TLX, only to be told by the salesperson that there is a stop-sale and they cannot sell the vehicle.

Legend2TL

It's hard to contrast and compare the suspension geometries across BMW generations but I suspect the steering kingpin angle and caster angle have been dialed back over time. Add in that the US models get different suspension bushings (lower durometer, more isolation) due to the rough roads in US compared to Europe.

What's interesting is how MB, BMW, Lexus, Audi, and even Cadillac all have moved toward alot of overlap in their vehicle lineup. Slightly sporty with their sedans, high performance line, AWD sedans, SUV, convertibles,....

Think back to the dark days of Cadillac in the 90's, when the average age of their buyers was increasing a year literally year to year. Audi was plodding along with sub-standard cars, and Lexus were sofa-cruisers. Now their all fairly close in their marketing and image.

And Acura? The TLX is a good reset to realign themselves, and MMC will hopefully get sportier. Would like to see return of 6MT, Brembo, limited slip, stiffer suspension, bigger wheels/tires and aluminum subframe. Acura need to get the team that did the Accord Sport to work on a TLX Type-S.

oonowindoo

It is already been posted by every major car websites. (see TLX thread)

i just hope it does not get into the news or cover of the actual car magazine.

wait since i am a hater, i think it does.

Legend2TL

Happened to the C7 in September

GM slams the brakes on Corvette sales - Fortune

As for the TLX, temp drop in sales and resuming sales once sorted and solved

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think the issue is with the rotors eh? It's just that I've never paid anything even close to $1000 at the dealer for any maintenance service before in the past 10 years with cars that are close to 200000km...so I was just a bit surprised to hear what my friend said considering his car only has like 75000km on it.

I definitely agree that Acura should expand the line up. No doubt about it.

Well, we all know the Acura brand is not as strong as BMW/MB/Audi/Lexus.

The A3 was a hatch. Now it's a sedan.

AZuser

In short, Audi

• figured out what their customers wanted
• listened to what their customers wanted
• both of the above

then gave their customers what they wanted and sales went up dramatically.

Acura on the other hand tells their customers what they want and leaves very little room for customization.

ttribe

Also not comparable.

ttribe

Not comparable because they are completely different cars. People will wait for a Corvette, because it's a Corvette. People looking for an into-lux sedan will not wait around for the TLX because it's the TLX. They'll move on.

Legend2TL

they're both cars, and many people once they've selected a car will wait depending on the situation (custom order, delivery,...). Happens all the time.

ttribe

Are you kidding? You really don't see a difference here?

Legend2TL

Nope, do you really think that everyone thinks the same way on a car purchase?
Sometimes if someone really wants something they'll wait depending on circumstance.
Again this happens all the time, as many car buys are not necessity.

AZuser

I view the Corvette more as a weekend toy while the TLX is more of a daily/family car. Weekend toys can wait. Daily/family drivers? Yes, to a certain extent, but not as easily.

There also aren't as many comparable options to the Corvette to consider while there are many more for the TLX.

If I was told I had to wait an unknown amount of time for the TLX stop sale to be lifted, I would be considering other options because it'd be my daily. Could I wait? Sure. But not as long as or as easily vs a weekend toy like the Corvette.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Hmm I don't know, I think Acura listened and gave customers more choices. For instance, back in the days, for the TL, you either standard model or get the navi model, that's it. Now, you can choose I4 or V6, you can choose FWD or AWD, you can choose the base trim, tech pkg, or advance pkg. I know, there's still not as much customization as others, but I think it's a bit unfair to say that Acura doesn't listen.

ttribe

Good grief, is it not self-evident to you that there are exceptions to virtually every general statement? Of course, someone will want to wait for the TLX. That being said, it is my opinion that the Corvette, being a rather unique vehicle, is going to be impacted less (as a %) than a near-lux sedan by a stop-sale order; significantly so. So much so, in fact, that your comparison of the two is ludicrous.

ttribe

"Listening" and "adapting to survive" are two very different things. They've done just enough to stay afloat, but not enough to prosper.

Legend2TL

Agree on the weekend Vette usage, and less likely to wait for a daily commuter.

All depends on the situation.

My 3G TL I wanted non-Nav, NBP/Camel, 6MT and had to wait 6 weeks. I was donating a 89 Legend so didn't matter I had to wait.

My father-in-law's g/f totaled her 3G TL in July, I helped her shop for a replacement. She couldn't wait (I told her to not get a 4G TL, but wait and look at the TLX). Ultimately she got a Accord V6 EX-L and couldn't wait to drive a TLX. Didn't matter since she wanted a V6 and leather and her new Accord was less than base TLX with cloth and 4 cylinder.

Legend2TL

The bottom line is it was a stop-sale example of a production car and what a person would do, which was comparable.

You're all hung up on the difference of the amount of people who would wait. Sure the Vette is probably more, but they are comparable events as there are plenty in 5G TLX section waiting now for their orders.

It's ludicrous to think they are not comparable.

ttribe

Yeah, umm, okay. Comparing the impact of a stop-sale on Corvette sales to the TLX is perfectly reasonable. You've convinced me.

Legend2TL

Keep living in that black and white world

ttribe

These references to "black-and-white" thinking...

oonowindoo

People will wait for performance cars like GTR, Corvette, Porsche, or even S2000. Because there is no realistic alternative for it.

if i can't get a TLX today and i have to wait for 2-3 months? i will just go buy a 3 series or A4, Q50, or IS or even an Accord.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

^not all people are the same. some might wait and some might not. only time will tell how this will affect tlx sales.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

then why are sales doing so well for acura?

oonowindoo

it seems you have some selective memory issues.

and the answer to your next questions: Why is TLX selling well? is also in the previous pages.

oonowindoo

That just shows you had never owned a niche vehicle in your life.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

I've owned an m3 actually. try again.

ttribe

How many times do I need to say this? The made a good car. They made a car that's much better than the 4G. They did not make a great car. They did not make a car that will allow them to invest in significantly expanding the lineup to be more competitive.

AZuser

It's been said time and again that Acura's overall sales are good because of the RDX and MDX. If you look at their car sales (i.e. non-truck sales), you'll see that they're not doing so well, both vs their prior sales numbers and against the competition. But you already knew this and I'm just f̶e̶e̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

yeah, asking questions that are on topic is such a troll thing to do.

tlx sales have done well thus far. suv sales are a big part of all successful manufacturers sales today.

TacoBello

TLX sales have done well so far because it is a brand new vehicle and it is moderately priced for a decently sized car. Those two things alone make room for tons of sales. That does not indicate what the next 3-4 years will bring.

There aren't all that many new model cars that don't sell well. And if there is one, it's generally pretty obvious why it isn't selling. It's not that acura built this legendary car called the TLX that has shook the world upside down and that's why it's selling. It's like anything else out there in the same price range.

oonowindoo

If you think M3 is a niche car then you really dont know what a niche car is.