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and you were wondering why no one is buying Infiniti? take a look at the sales #s of G series. Compare the #s from 2003-2013 when the G series were offered and compare them to when they did not give what the consumers wanted.
and mind you, they were $40k in 2003 when i got mine and it was not even fully loaded.
Infiniti G Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
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Acura TL vs Infiniti G
2004: 77,895 vs 71,177
2005: 78,218 vs 68,728
2006: 71,348 vs 60,741
2007: 58,545 vs 71,809
2008: 46,766 vs 64,181
2009: 33,620 vs 47,174
2010: 34,049 vs 58,143
2011: 31,237 vs 58,246
2012: 33,572 vs 59,844
2013: 24,318 vs 57,878
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total: 489,568 vs 617,921
Acura RL/RLX vs Infiniti M
2004: 8,753 vs 2,090
2005: 17,572 vs 24,000
2006: 11,501 vs 25,658
2007: 6,262 vs 21,884
2008: 4,517 vs 15,618
2009: 2,043 vs 8,501
2010: 2,037 vs 14,618
2011: 1,096 vs 10,818
2012: 379 vs 9,130
2013: 5,053 vs 5,283
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total: 59,213 vs 137,600
2004: 77,895 vs 71,177
2005: 78,218 vs 68,728
2006: 71,348 vs 60,741
2007: 58,545 vs 71,809
2008: 46,766 vs 64,181
2009: 33,620 vs 47,174
2010: 34,049 vs 58,143
2011: 31,237 vs 58,246
2012: 33,572 vs 59,844
2013: 24,318 vs 57,878
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total: 489,568 vs 617,921
Acura RL/RLX vs Infiniti M
2004: 8,753 vs 2,090
2005: 17,572 vs 24,000
2006: 11,501 vs 25,658
2007: 6,262 vs 21,884
2008: 4,517 vs 15,618
2009: 2,043 vs 8,501
2010: 2,037 vs 14,618
2011: 1,096 vs 10,818
2012: 379 vs 9,130
2013: 5,053 vs 5,283
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total: 59,213 vs 137,600
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yeah I'm aware of that. I meant the g moniker.
infiniti sales went up, but they still have very little market share overall.
and you were wondering why no one is buying Infiniti? take a look at the sales #s of G series. Compare the #s from 2003-2013 when the G series were offered and compare them to when they did not give what the consumers wanted.
and mind you, they were $40k in 2003 when i got mine and it was not even fully loaded.
Infiniti G Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
and mind you, they were $40k in 2003 when i got mine and it was not even fully loaded.
Infiniti G Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
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Infiniti kinda fuked themselves up with the name change and the lack of updated engines.
Hey at least they fired that guy now.
They have a chance with the Q60 (new engine/new look) or they can just dig a hole and die slowly if they fuck up Q60.
Hey at least they fired that guy now.
They have a chance with the Q60 (new engine/new look) or they can just dig a hole and die slowly if they fuck up Q60.
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Hmmm this is becoming an interesting discussion.
I know Acura doesn't have any cars dedicated for the enthusiasts right now. I know that for some of their models, color options are severely limited. But is it fair to say that Honda/Acura never listens to the customers? People complained the 2012 Civic is crap, so Honda made tons of changes to the 2013 model. People complained the ILX is weak, so now there's a much improved powertrain. People used to complain how Acura models were always FWD. Acura responded with AWD, and later SH-AWD. Acura came out with the atrocious beak with the 2009. People didn't like it. Acura responded by toning down the beak and making subtle changes. Nowadays, I don't know if I can still call it a beak, it's really up for debate. Let's just say the grille is no longer the talking point nowadays.
Some will say, "oh Honda screwed up with the CIvic/ILX/etc, so they HAD to change things." True, but Infiniti also screwed up with the steering, so they had to make the change too, no? I want a V6 Mazda 6, why they don't build me one? I want to buy a 320i with the M Sport package, is it possible? I want estoril blue metallic as the exterior color for the 320i, can I do so?
This is not to say Honda always listens to the customers, and other brands don't listen. I'm just providing examples to show that sometimes car manufacturers would listen, sometimes, they don't. To say that a company never listens or would never do such and such would be a bit of a stretch.
I know Acura doesn't have any cars dedicated for the enthusiasts right now. I know that for some of their models, color options are severely limited. But is it fair to say that Honda/Acura never listens to the customers? People complained the 2012 Civic is crap, so Honda made tons of changes to the 2013 model. People complained the ILX is weak, so now there's a much improved powertrain. People used to complain how Acura models were always FWD. Acura responded with AWD, and later SH-AWD. Acura came out with the atrocious beak with the 2009. People didn't like it. Acura responded by toning down the beak and making subtle changes. Nowadays, I don't know if I can still call it a beak, it's really up for debate. Let's just say the grille is no longer the talking point nowadays.
Some will say, "oh Honda screwed up with the CIvic/ILX/etc, so they HAD to change things." True, but Infiniti also screwed up with the steering, so they had to make the change too, no? I want a V6 Mazda 6, why they don't build me one? I want to buy a 320i with the M Sport package, is it possible? I want estoril blue metallic as the exterior color for the 320i, can I do so?
This is not to say Honda always listens to the customers, and other brands don't listen. I'm just providing examples to show that sometimes car manufacturers would listen, sometimes, they don't. To say that a company never listens or would never do such and such would be a bit of a stretch.
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The problem with what you said is... Acura's AWD is still FWD.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
and FYI, if you are willing to spend $5000, BMW will paint your 320 to any color of your choice from BMW factory.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
and FYI, if you are willing to spend $5000, BMW will paint your 320 to any color of your choice from BMW factory.
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The problem with what you said is... Acura's AWD is still FWD.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
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yah i did say it in my post but you did not quote it.
For $5000.
For $5000.
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Like some people here have said, whether the car sells or not isn't a big issue. The idea is to have a halo trim for the TLX line so the lesser models sell more. Just like how 335i is the halo model but the most popular trims are the 320i and 328i. Whether Acura could succeed on that would depend on the marketing (which I have no confidence in) effort.
A fully loaded 375hp TLX-S with the proper suspension, brakes, styling, etc for $50k would still be cheaper than many competitors. It might be heavier but the extra power should compensate. It's just a suggestion anyway.
The problem with what you said is... Acura's AWD is still FWD.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
and FYI, if you are willing to spend $5000, BMW will paint your 320 to any color of your choice from BMW factory.
When was ILX released? and what year is it now?
Acura's beak is still there. It has a new name now, the shield. Apparently even Captain America prefers his choice of weapon to be an import.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328.
But if i want a real sport package for any cars in Acura now, it does not matter how much more i am willing to spend, it still does not exist.
and FYI, if you are willing to spend $5000, BMW will paint your 320 to any color of your choice from BMW factory.
The original claim was Honda and Acura never listens. At what time the changes are made for the ILX is another topic. The claim should then be, Acura takes too long to make changes, not NEVER listens to customers. Correct?
Like I said, the beak, the shield, the grille, whatever it's called, it's not like Acura is sticking with the same 4G TL design, right? There are different demands for that. Some (like you) demand getting rid of the beak completely and do a complete redesign. Some simply requested Acura to tone down the design. In that case, to people like you, then they aren't listening to your request. But for the other group, that's listening.
If you want a M sport package that badly then spend a few thousand more for 328. Well, then should we tell SamDoe1 to upgrade to a different Accord trim to get the color combo that he wants? Would anyone buying an Accord pay $5k to get the color combo that he/she wants?
Yes indeed you are right about the sport package. That's why I never said Honda could do no wrong, or Honda always listens.
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Both Acura and Audi are adding AWD capability onto their FWD platforms, whereas BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, and MB are adding AWD capability onto RWD platforms.
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i thought that was pretty obvious when i said Acura AWD is still FWD.... ok... FWD based.......
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Hmmm this is becoming an interesting discussion.
I know Acura doesn't have any cars dedicated for the enthusiasts right now. I know that for some of their models, color options are severely limited. But is it fair to say that Honda/Acura never listens to the customers? People complained the 2012 Civic is crap, so Honda made tons of changes to the 2013 model. People complained the ILX is weak, so now there's a much improved powertrain. People used to complain how Acura models were always FWD. Acura responded with AWD, and later SH-AWD. Acura came out with the atrocious beak with the 2009. People didn't like it. Acura responded by toning down the beak and making subtle changes. Nowadays, I don't know if I can still call it a beak, it's really up for debate. Let's just say the grille is no longer the talking point nowadays.
Some will say, "oh Honda screwed up with the CIvic/ILX/etc, so they HAD to change things." True, but Infiniti also screwed up with the steering, so they had to make the change too, no? I want a V6 Mazda 6, why they don't build me one? I want to buy a 320i with the M Sport package, is it possible? I want estoril blue metallic as the exterior color for the 320i, can I do so?
This is not to say Honda always listens to the customers, and other brands don't listen. I'm just providing examples to show that sometimes car manufacturers would listen, sometimes, they don't. To say that a company never listens or would never do such and such would be a bit of a stretch.
I know Acura doesn't have any cars dedicated for the enthusiasts right now. I know that for some of their models, color options are severely limited. But is it fair to say that Honda/Acura never listens to the customers? People complained the 2012 Civic is crap, so Honda made tons of changes to the 2013 model. People complained the ILX is weak, so now there's a much improved powertrain. People used to complain how Acura models were always FWD. Acura responded with AWD, and later SH-AWD. Acura came out with the atrocious beak with the 2009. People didn't like it. Acura responded by toning down the beak and making subtle changes. Nowadays, I don't know if I can still call it a beak, it's really up for debate. Let's just say the grille is no longer the talking point nowadays.
Some will say, "oh Honda screwed up with the CIvic/ILX/etc, so they HAD to change things." True, but Infiniti also screwed up with the steering, so they had to make the change too, no? I want a V6 Mazda 6, why they don't build me one? I want to buy a 320i with the M Sport package, is it possible? I want estoril blue metallic as the exterior color for the 320i, can I do so?
This is not to say Honda always listens to the customers, and other brands don't listen. I'm just providing examples to show that sometimes car manufacturers would listen, sometimes, they don't. To say that a company never listens or would never do such and such would be a bit of a stretch.
The beak still exists on acuras. It's toned down, but it's still there. You'd think after the first or second model year they'd be like "hmmm... Maybe this is ugly and maybe people do hate it", but rather than do away with the ugly, they just made it a little less ugly. That isn't listening. That's still doing whatever the hell you want. Who's to say acura did even listen? Maybe internally they decided it was too ugly and that's what sparked the toning down.
I don't expect an auto company to listen to every request past on to them and follow up on it accordingly, since people all have different requirements and tastes, however, getting rid of the beak should have been priority #1, yet they went and implemented across their entire lineup. Why you no listen, Acura? It's like more people WANT to buy their product but end up getting turned off and Acura just shrugs it's shoulders and continues on.
The ILX has more power to it now, but how long did it take for such a change to occur? Why did it take years to happen? And why wasn't it identified from the start?
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I'd like to contradict some of your points- for starters, honda didn't necessarily listen to consumers about the 2012 Civic- they themselves admitted it was garbage and that they misread the market when they created it. to save themselves and to keep their "best selling" title for the civic, they quickly jumped on fixing it.
The beak still exists on acuras. It's toned down, but it's still there. You'd think after the first or second model year they'd be like "hmmm... Maybe this is ugly and maybe people do hate it", but rather than do away with the ugly, they just made it a little less ugly. That isn't listening. That's still doing whatever the hell you want. Who's to say acura did even listen? Maybe internally they decided it was too ugly and that's what sparked the toning down.
I don't expect an auto company to listen to every request past on to them and follow up on it accordingly, since people all have different requirements and tastes, however, getting rid of the beak should have been priority #1, yet they went and implemented across their entire lineup. Why you no listen, Acura? It's like more people WANT to buy their product but end up getting turned off and Acura just shrugs it's shoulders and continues on.
The ILX has more power to it now, but how long did it take for such a change to occur? Why did it take years to happen? And why wasn't it identified from the start?
The beak still exists on acuras. It's toned down, but it's still there. You'd think after the first or second model year they'd be like "hmmm... Maybe this is ugly and maybe people do hate it", but rather than do away with the ugly, they just made it a little less ugly. That isn't listening. That's still doing whatever the hell you want. Who's to say acura did even listen? Maybe internally they decided it was too ugly and that's what sparked the toning down.
I don't expect an auto company to listen to every request past on to them and follow up on it accordingly, since people all have different requirements and tastes, however, getting rid of the beak should have been priority #1, yet they went and implemented across their entire lineup. Why you no listen, Acura? It's like more people WANT to buy their product but end up getting turned off and Acura just shrugs it's shoulders and continues on.
The ILX has more power to it now, but how long did it take for such a change to occur? Why did it take years to happen? And why wasn't it identified from the start?
And I have already addressed the beak and ILX, see 2nd part of post #11204.
The original plan was to have the Accord's powertrain in the ILX. The tsunami in 2011 affected the plan as two R&D centres were seriously damaged, killing 1 employee and injuring ~30 others.
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I was more referring to the fact that Honda/Acura still refuses to listen to it's customers and prefers to tell them what they want.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
For example, I'm in the process of picking up an '07 Miata. A bunch of guys got together back in 06/07 and complained to Mazda Canada, saying "you need to offer the saddle brown interior on more colors of the Miata, and not just the select 2". What did Mazda Canada do? Custom built models for it's fans. I'm now picking up documented #1 of 16 Stormy Mica Blue Miatas with a saddle brown interior. This option won't be seen in any of the brochures from 07 and really, Mazda didn't have to do anything. Lets also keep in mind that Mazda Canada is way smaller than Mazda USA and that only a fraction of Miatas is sold north of the border, and yet Mazda listened. They even did the same with the "performance package" that was dropped off the 2006 GTs and brought it back in 2007, as an option, because people asked.
I have a feeling that Acura/Honda would NEVER do such a thing. Ever. Don't like it? Pound sand, they'd say.
Honda like other manufacturers looks at market surveys and customer research for product requirements. For the Ody, they video'ed parents dropping/picking up their kids at schools (which drew attention and police questioned them). For the Ridgeline, they went to construction sites and that made the controls and switch gear larger for gloved hands. For the MDX and Pilot, the flat folding 3rd row seats came about from people wanting occasional extra passengers which proved highly successful. The fact that 3 of the top ten selling US vehicles are a Honda also
Nice story on the Miata, I was at a motorcycle meet long time ago and a PA doctor has a collection of 60's Honda road racers with a similar tale. One of his RC bikes he restored had a Kihei CV carbs was damaged beyond repair. This was a very limited racing carb which he could not find used anywhere, he contacted Honda in Gardena. After some time they got back to him and quoted a $1000 paid up front. He ordered it and few months later a newly made carb gets delivered. So Honda got Kihei to find the original tooling and molds, and commissioned one carb to be made. Not only was it freshly made (the AL body was shiny and where the tech hand filed away the body mold flashing), they included copies from 60's HRC carb flow and setup instructions, and a complete set of new needles, o-rings, jets and diaphragms for both carbs. Most probably cost Honda way more than $1K.
There's a similar tale from Patrick Head at Williams on getting a Honda twin turbo V6 engine into one of their FW11's for Goodwood.
Took couple years but Honda delivered a runnning RA166 to Williams for free, mostly goodwill and good PR for Honda.
So sunroof on your Accord Sport, nope but they do some special parts orders
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That's your opinion and not a fact. Despite formally starting in 1946 Honda today has 4.3X revenue of Mazda despite Mazda starting in 1920 so it's fair to say Honda understands it's customer base pretty well. Add in that 3 of the top ten selling US vehicles is a Honda, Mazda's best is in #46 so it's pretty evident Honda understand what it's customers want better than Mazda despite having fairly similar products.
As far as "best selling" is concerned, the 2013 civic, which Honda themselves admitted was a piece of crap, was a "best seller" yet again. Like many AZiners have pointed out, Honda is riding on it's own coat tails from it's past. Hope that keeps working for them. Honda's "reliable" reputation is what sells their cars, and according to reliability ratings, Honda/Acura has dropped significantly.
For the Ody, they video'ed parents dropping/picking up their kids at schools (which drew attention and police questioned them). For the Ridgeline, they went to construction sites and that made the controls and switch gear larger for gloved hands. For the MDX and Pilot, the flat folding 3rd row seats came about from people wanting occasional extra passengers which proved highly successful. The fact that 3 of the top ten selling US vehicles are a Honda also
Nice story on the Miata, I was at a motorcycle meet long time ago and a PA doctor has a collection of 60's Honda road racers with a similar tale. One of his RC bikes he restored had a Kihei CV carbs was damaged beyond repair. This was a very limited racing carb which he could not find used anywhere, he contacted Honda in Gardena. After some time they got back to him and quoted a $1000 paid up front. He ordered it and few months later a newly made carb gets delivered. So Honda got Kihei to find the original tooling and molds, and commissioned one carb to be made. Not only was it freshly made (the AL body was shiny and where the tech hand filed away the body mold flashing), they included copies from 60's HRC carb flow and setup instructions, and a complete set of new needles, o-rings, jets and diaphragms for both carbs. Most probably cost Honda way more than $1K.
There's a similar tale from Patrick Head at Williams on getting a Honda twin turbo V6 engine into one of their FW11's for Goodwood.
Took couple years but Honda delivered a runnning RA166 to Williams for free, mostly goodwill and good PR for Honda.
So sunroof on your Accord Sport, nope but they do some special parts orders
Took couple years but Honda delivered a runnning RA166 to Williams for free, mostly goodwill and good PR for Honda.
So sunroof on your Accord Sport, nope but they do some special parts orders
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Not sure what this has to do with listening to customers? Mazda was seriously hurt when Ford got involved with them. Prior to that, Mazda's reputation was completely different, being called the "mercedes" of Japanese cars. For all we know, it could have been bad marketing, not necessarily wanting to grow too large, being more expensive, etc, etc, that results in that.
As far as "best selling" is concerned, the 2013 civic, which Honda themselves admitted was a piece of crap, was a "best seller" yet again. Like many AZiners have pointed out, Honda is riding on it's own coat tails from it's past. Hope that keeps working for them. Honda's "reliable" reputation is what sells their cars, and according to reliability ratings, Honda/Acura has dropped significantly.
Who does these market surveys? I, to date, have never once been approached to fill one out, and yes, I have bought new cars in the past. And again, like you said, all manufacturers do this, so it's nothing out of the norm. To me, this does not sound like Honda is listening. Many on AZ will agree that Honda/Acura just crams whatever the hell they want down their consumers throats, not giving them what they are asking for.
Yes, they analyze the market like all manufacturers do. Again, they're not doing anything that other manufacturers aren't doing. Every car company has some kind of innovation. However, when it comes to what Honda's die hard fans want, Honda puts earplugs in. Even Honda has come to recognize that turning their backs on the enthusiast crowd isn't the best idea, but it's slow to be fixed.
I'd be surprised if Honda of Gardena was able to do all that by themselves to be honest....
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Not sure what this has to do with listening to customers? Mazda was seriously hurt when Ford got involved with them. Prior to that, Mazda's reputation was completely different, being called the "mercedes" of Japanese cars. For all we know, it could have been bad marketing, not necessarily wanting to grow too large, being more expensive, etc, etc, that results in that.
It's pretty common sense business model strategy. Again, you may not be happy with Honda/Acura but many others are.
.Ford got involved because Mazda was again suffering financial distress, they've gone through several of them causing reorg's. Ford owned 1/3 of Mazda at one time, they sold most of it under Mulally. Mazda was so messed up they were one of the first large Japanese corporations to have a foreigner as their CEO.
As to Mazda being the Mercedes of Japanese car makers, I've never seen or read that. Do you have any references for that?
To me the premier Japanese brand would be Toyota which had luxury sedans well before Lexus (Crown platform)
As far as "best selling" is concerned, the 2013 civic, which Honda themselves admitted was a piece of crap, was a "best seller" yet again. Like many AZiners have pointed out, Honda is riding on it's own coat tails from it's past. Hope that keeps working for them. Honda's "reliable" reputation is what sells their cars, and according to reliability ratings, Honda/Acura has dropped significantly.
BTW, it was the 2011 Civic, the 2013 was the MMC which US dealers were requesting. My daughter has a 2011, there's some stuff with the interior I'm not happy with but it does drive nice.
Who does these market surveys? I, to date, have never once been approached to fill one out, and yes, I have bought new cars in the past. And again, like you said, all manufacturers do this, so it's nothing out of the norm. To me, this does not sound like Honda is listening. Many on AZ will agree that Honda/Acura just crams whatever the hell they want down their consumers throats, not giving them what they are asking for.
And most on AZ would admit they do not represent the general car owners as well. Some of their more recent vehicles have done a great effort in addressing what the consumer wants (Ody, MDX, Pilot, CRV, ..) along with the traditional cars (Accord, Civic,..). Acura sedans they've admitted to having made the cut recently, the TLX is trying to change that.
Yes, they analyze the market like all manufacturers do. Again, they're not doing anything that other manufacturers aren't doing. Every car company has some kind of innovation. However, when it comes to what Honda's die hard fans want, Honda puts earplugs in. Even Honda has come to recognize that turning their backs on the enthusiast crowd isn't the best idea, but it's slow to be fixed.
A ride/drive in a Accord Sport showed they coulda made a SE model between the LX and EX instead they quickened the steering ratio, bigger wheels/tires, dual exhausr tips (see just for you), fog lights, 6MT, but no sunroof. Would be the Honda I would buy today, fun little sporty sedan.
I've heard good will stories for Honda going back to the 70's (1G Honda Accord fenders rusting and cylidner head gaskets getting replaced out of warranty). I've also seen a few people have GM stories too (friend had three TurboHydramatic's in his IROC replaced free, one out of warranty). Someone who's owned several MB had his SD300 engine destroyed due to oil pump failure out of warranty. MB of USA replaced it with a rebuilt motor for a small fee (hundreds of dollars).
Commonplace no, but not that rare it depends on the customer and circumstance. FWIW I've never ever heard of any Audi good will story, ever.
Again, a racing team is not an average Joe. Williams asking for something is not the same as you or I asking for something. Actually, I did ask for a 6MT loaded 2012 Accord sedan. I was told to keep dreaming. This wasn't erally even special order. this is from Honda's racing division, and like stated, for PR purposes. This isn't even comparable again.
As for your loaded Accord, meh. Honda/Acura does not do custom orders. Been that way for decades, it's their SCM philosophy so to keep bemoaning it is pointless.
For the 3G TL there were 8 exterior colors and 4 interior colors (not all were available for each color), 2 transmissions, Nav/non, and summer tires for factory options so there were ~150 factory combinations, not including dealer installed options (A-Spec, spoiler,...) I knew what I wanted in Jan. 2004, dealer looked up the code for the configuration and then the Ohio plant build schedule. TL matching that config was slated to be built in mid Feb. Waited a 5-6 weeks and it came in, it was not a big deal but I got what I wanted and still love driving it a decade later.
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Gardena, CA is Honda Motorcycle of America's headquarters.
This owner (PA doctor) got ahold of someone there and explained the damaged carb on the CR,
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Nice, and appropriate, change of title for the thread.
So, anyone know anything new or exciting about the TLX planned for 2016?
So, anyone know anything new or exciting about the TLX planned for 2016?
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This being a car enthusiast forum, my point was geared towards us. And you agreed with Honda not listening [to us]
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The thread title has now been changed.
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The Troubled Acura TLX Is Actually the Best Car the Brand Makes
The Troubled Acura TLX Is Actually the Best Car the Brand Makes - Bloomberg
First the bad news: Last week Honda told U.S. dealers to stop selling some versions of its 2015 Acura TLX sedan because of problems with the transmission.
Apparently 9,500 of the 2015 TLX had errors that could cause the 9-speed automatic to fail to properly shift into park. The gear shifter would indicate that the car was safely stopped and secure—when it wasn’t.
Poor timing; that problem came after Acura’s October announcement that it incorrectly recorded the gross vehicle and axle weights on the car’s safety labels. Not long after, the company's president, along with all Japan-based executives, had to take a 20 percent pay cut for three months as punishment for recalls relating to Honda, according to an Acura spokesman.
Now, the good news: I drove the 2.4L 4-cylinder version of the TLX recently in New York and experienced no such problems. In fact I found the TLX perfectly inoffensive, even mildly entertaining. The $30,995 sedan is a capable if lesser-known option against other entry-level offerings from Infiniti, Lexus and Volvo.
If, that is, you can get past those pesky recalls
....
Apparently 9,500 of the 2015 TLX had errors that could cause the 9-speed automatic to fail to properly shift into park. The gear shifter would indicate that the car was safely stopped and secure—when it wasn’t.
Poor timing; that problem came after Acura’s October announcement that it incorrectly recorded the gross vehicle and axle weights on the car’s safety labels. Not long after, the company's president, along with all Japan-based executives, had to take a 20 percent pay cut for three months as punishment for recalls relating to Honda, according to an Acura spokesman.
Now, the good news: I drove the 2.4L 4-cylinder version of the TLX recently in New York and experienced no such problems. In fact I found the TLX perfectly inoffensive, even mildly entertaining. The $30,995 sedan is a capable if lesser-known option against other entry-level offerings from Infiniti, Lexus and Volvo.
If, that is, you can get past those pesky recalls
....
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Poor timing; that problem came after Acura’s October announcement that it incorrectly recorded the gross vehicle and axle weights on the car’s safety labels. Not long after, the company's president, along with all Japan-based executives, had to take a 20 percent pay cut for three months as punishment for recalls relating to Honda, according to an Acura spokesman.
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Nabooly (01-01-2015)
3 month pay cut. Pfft. How about a pay cut until all problems have been addressed and fixed?
Hyundai's R&D, Product President, Engineering and Electronics Chiefs Resign Over Quality Issues - The Truth About Cars
Hyundai’s R&D, Product President, Engineering and Electronics Chiefs Resign Over Quality Issues
November 12, 2013
After consumer complaints over quality issues in its home market of Korea and a string of recalls there, in the U.S. and other countries. Hyundai Motor Group’s president for research and development, Kwon Moon-sik and two other executives in charge of engineering and electronics have resigned. The shakeup comes as the automaker prepares some important new vehicle launches.
The Hyundai group’s chairman, Chung Mong-koo, son of Hyundai founder Chung Ju-yung, has a reputation for firing (and rehiring) executives and he is also known for stressing quality. Chung is seen as responsible for changing the reputation of Hyundai from being seen as a maker of cheap, poorly made automobiles.
“The latest personnel change shows our firm commitment to quality management and reaffirms our will to continuously improve R&D competitiveness,” Hyundai said in a statement. The executives resigned to “take responsibility for a series of quality issues.” Replacements have not been named.
November 12, 2013
After consumer complaints over quality issues in its home market of Korea and a string of recalls there, in the U.S. and other countries. Hyundai Motor Group’s president for research and development, Kwon Moon-sik and two other executives in charge of engineering and electronics have resigned. The shakeup comes as the automaker prepares some important new vehicle launches.
The Hyundai group’s chairman, Chung Mong-koo, son of Hyundai founder Chung Ju-yung, has a reputation for firing (and rehiring) executives and he is also known for stressing quality. Chung is seen as responsible for changing the reputation of Hyundai from being seen as a maker of cheap, poorly made automobiles.
“The latest personnel change shows our firm commitment to quality management and reaffirms our will to continuously improve R&D competitiveness,” Hyundai said in a statement. The executives resigned to “take responsibility for a series of quality issues.” Replacements have not been named.
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Poor timing; that problem came after Acura’s October announcement that it incorrectly recorded the gross vehicle and axle weights on the car’s safety labels. Not long after, the company's president, along with all Japan-based executives, had to take a 20 percent pay cut for three months as punishment for recalls relating to Honda, according to an Acura spokesman.
Problem is is they need to do it to the US exec's as well. Maybe that might help pull their heads out of their asses here for Acura
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20% pay cut for 3 months ?
This is all a show for the outside population.
I bet the year end bonus will factor in all these loss salaries plus extra compensations for all these executives.
The only real penalty will be job termination. This should make the remaining executives a lot smarter.
This is all a show for the outside population.
I bet the year end bonus will factor in all these loss salaries plus extra compensations for all these executives.
The only real penalty will be job termination. This should make the remaining executives a lot smarter.
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fsttyms1 (01-02-2015)
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Yep. The only time you ever hear about stuff like this is in Japan or Korea. In North America the execs only get big or bigger bonuses, even if the company is going in the toilet.