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CTS went to 5-series class, while TL and TSX are not gone with the TLX coming in to be in the 3-series class. One sells ~1500-1800/month, while the other does 3500-4000/month.
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IMHO, Cadillac made a mistake doing that with the CTS as the ATS is just not as good as the old CTS was. Much like filling the TSX hole with the lesser ILX, Cadillac has made a misstep.
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With that said, I think the main mistake with recent Cadillac models is the pricing. Take the ATS as an example, its pricing closely aligns with the 3-series trim vs trim. For the same amount of money, I'd imagine most people would pick the 3-series over the ATS since the 3-series is well known and is better overall.
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I thought the ATS is a solid effort, especially when it comes to its chassis. But with ATS competing with 3-series, CTS against 5-series, and the CT6 against the 7-series, Cadillac is heading to the right direction IMO. Cadillac will need a bit more time to get the other things right though (engine, tranny, interior, tuning, etc).
With that said, I think the main mistake with recent Cadillac models is the pricing. Take the ATS as an example, its pricing closely aligns with the 3-series trim vs trim. For the same amount of money, I'd imagine most people would pick the 3-series over the ATS since the 3-series is well known and is better overall.
With that said, I think the main mistake with recent Cadillac models is the pricing. Take the ATS as an example, its pricing closely aligns with the 3-series trim vs trim. For the same amount of money, I'd imagine most people would pick the 3-series over the ATS since the 3-series is well known and is better overall.
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The 3 series is a 3-series. It's the honda accord of the euro world. There's no dethroning it right now. Cadillac needs to get a dose of reality. They need to be 5K cheaper and need to make sure their cars can last in the long run vs a 3-series. The ATS's cluster looked like garbage to me and the car didn't seem like it'd age well.
Cadillac needs to get everything right before it can ask for 3-series money. I loaded ATS 2.0T is at $55k...........
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Caddy, Yes they are in design language/execution and improvements. While it doesnt happen overnight Caddy seems to be getting it and what they need to do to compete with the big boys. Give them a little more time, they will get it right. Acura?? One could only hope they open their eyes, figure out where they really want to fit in in the bigger picture and start designing and giving us the cars that are needed to do so.
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Caddy, Yes they are in design language/execution and improvements. While it doesnt happen overnight Caddy seems to be getting it and what they need to do to compete with the big boys. Give them a little more time, they will get it right. Acura?? One could only hope they open their eyes, figure out where they really want to fit in in the bigger picture and start designing and giving us the cars that are needed to do so.
If the "Mini NSX" gets a Honda badge, we know Acura is a thing of the past.
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It's more than just Accavitti. At this point they just need to clean house and start fresh. Obviously not going to happen because I'm sure they care too much about the feelings of their lost and out to lunch employees.
Very little of what that company does makes sense to the plethora of people on this Acura forum. And yet they keep chugging a long. Granted, things can't change over night, but its been years of floundering, since even the 4G TL was introduced back in '09. And they stubbornly, yet weakly, continue to row to their own tune
Very little of what that company does makes sense to the plethora of people on this Acura forum. And yet they keep chugging a long. Granted, things can't change over night, but its been years of floundering, since even the 4G TL was introduced back in '09. And they stubbornly, yet weakly, continue to row to their own tune
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Kill the TLX. Let the Accord continue its reign.
Slap a Honda badge on the new NSX, like it will have in most places around the world.
Offer another trim level on the Civic and kill the ILX.
Bring the RDX over.
Kill the MDX by adding another trim level to the Pilot. Then again, spruce up the Pilot a bit more to make room for the RDX below it.
And the RLX? At this point, just kill it. What's the point.
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I'm seeing tons of mdx's and tlx's on the road lately. even starting to see rlx's more frequently. the new nsx packs a lot of value for a $150k super car. seems like things are looking up if you ask me.
...still hoping for some type-r or type-s tlx/ilx variants.
...still hoping for some type-r or type-s tlx/ilx variants.
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There have always been a lot of mdxs around. It's Acura's bread and butter. But to keep the company going because of one model doesn't make much sense. The new accord is snipping at the TLXs heals in a major way. Sales numbers still aren't that great for the TLX and by killing it off it would likely help the accord sales.
Honestly, at this point, maybe Acura being a thing of the past is a good thing. Besides a different design language between the two (and admittedly, not hugely different), there is little difference between the two.
Kill the TLX. Let the Accord continue its reign.
Slap a Honda badge on the new NSX, like it will have in most places around the world.
Offer another trim level on the Civic and kill the ILX.
Bring the RDX over.
Kill the MDX by adding another trim level to the Pilot. Then again, spruce up the Pilot a bit more to make room for the RDX below it.
And the RLX? At this point, just kill it. What's the point.
Kill the TLX. Let the Accord continue its reign.
Slap a Honda badge on the new NSX, like it will have in most places around the world.
Offer another trim level on the Civic and kill the ILX.
Bring the RDX over.
Kill the MDX by adding another trim level to the Pilot. Then again, spruce up the Pilot a bit more to make room for the RDX below it.
And the RLX? At this point, just kill it. What's the point.
Acura sales increasing far rapidly than Honda.
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rdx is a top seller too, but I'm talking more 'jewel eye' models. I'm sure I'll start seeing a lot of the 16 rdx's soon.
I don't see that the accord is that close to the tlx. same company at the end of the day either way. if acura moves up market that will cost more money, which doesn't seem to be acura's MO.
I don't see that the accord is that close to the tlx. same company at the end of the day either way. if acura moves up market that will cost more money, which doesn't seem to be acura's MO.
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Honestly, at this point, maybe Acura being a thing of the past is a good thing. Besides a different design language between the two (and admittedly, not hugely different), there is little difference between the two.
Kill the TLX. Let the Accord continue its reign.
Slap a Honda badge on the new NSX, like it will have in most places around the world.
Offer another trim level on the Civic and kill the ILX.
Bring the RDX over.
Kill the MDX by adding another trim level to the Pilot. Then again, spruce up the Pilot a bit more to make room for the RDX below it.
And the RLX? At this point, just kill it. What's the point.
Kill the TLX. Let the Accord continue its reign.
Slap a Honda badge on the new NSX, like it will have in most places around the world.
Offer another trim level on the Civic and kill the ILX.
Bring the RDX over.
Kill the MDX by adding another trim level to the Pilot. Then again, spruce up the Pilot a bit more to make room for the RDX below it.
And the RLX? At this point, just kill it. What's the point.
Killing the MDX would severely damage Honda.
Accord Touring is $34K. Base 2.4 TLX is $32K and it won't have all the tech the MMC Accord will be getting which includes:
- Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (not available on any TLX)
- New 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface and HD radio
- Honda Sensing™ which includes:
- Remote engine start
- 19-inch wheels
- Heated rear seats
- 60/40 split and folding rear seat
- Front and rear parking sensors
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
Looking at http://www.acura.com/Features.aspx?m...Compare+Models, to get similar features, you'd have to get the 2.4 TLX with Tech package which is $36K. For $2k more, what does it have that the Accord Touring doesn't? P-AWS, an 8 speed DCT, an Integrated Dynamics System, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
For $2K less, what does the Accord Touring have that the 2.4 TLX w/Tech doesn't? A V6 engine, upgraded 19-inch wheels, Remote engine start, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Front and rear parking sensors, Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), LED fog lights
A similarly equipped TLX would be the $40,000 3.5 TLX with Tech package. For $6K more, what will it have that the Accord Touring won't? 18-inch (not 19-inch like on the Accord) wheels, P-AWS, a 9-speed auto, an Integrated Dynamics System, 8-way power seat, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
The 2.4 TLX with Tech and 3.5 TLX with Tech sure looks a lot like an Accord Touring to me. And the Accord Touring is $2,000 to $6,000 less.
- Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (not available on any TLX)
- New 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface and HD radio
- Honda Sensing™ which includes:
- Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW)
- Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS)
- Road Departure Mitigation (RDM)
- Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
- Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
- Remote engine start
- 19-inch wheels
- Heated rear seats
- 60/40 split and folding rear seat
- Front and rear parking sensors
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
Looking at http://www.acura.com/Features.aspx?m...Compare+Models, to get similar features, you'd have to get the 2.4 TLX with Tech package which is $36K. For $2k more, what does it have that the Accord Touring doesn't? P-AWS, an 8 speed DCT, an Integrated Dynamics System, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
For $2K less, what does the Accord Touring have that the 2.4 TLX w/Tech doesn't? A V6 engine, upgraded 19-inch wheels, Remote engine start, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Front and rear parking sensors, Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), LED fog lights
A similarly equipped TLX would be the $40,000 3.5 TLX with Tech package. For $6K more, what will it have that the Accord Touring won't? 18-inch (not 19-inch like on the Accord) wheels, P-AWS, a 9-speed auto, an Integrated Dynamics System, 8-way power seat, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
The 2.4 TLX with Tech and 3.5 TLX with Tech sure looks a lot like an Accord Touring to me. And the Accord Touring is $2,000 to $6,000 less.
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V6 engine cost alot more to maintain and fuel economy in city poor. very small portion of Accord sales V6. you can look at dealer inventory.
TLX 2.4tech much nicer interior, better dealer with loaner cars, better music system, better resale values.
TLX 2.4tech much nicer interior, better dealer with loaner cars, better music system, better resale values.
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Accord Touring is $34K. Base 2.4 TLX is $32K and it won't have all the tech the MMC Accord will be getting which includes:
- Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (not available on any TLX)
- New 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface and HD radio
- Honda Sensing™ which includes:
- Remote engine start
- 19-inch wheels
- Heated rear seats
- 60/40 split and folding rear seat
- Front and rear parking sensors
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
Looking at 2015 Acura TLX | Features | Compare Models | Acura.com, to get similar features, you'd have to get the 2.4 TLX with Tech package which is $36K. For $2k more, what does it have that the Accord Touring doesn't? P-AWS, an 8 speed DCT, an Integrated Dynamics System, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
For $2K less, what does the Accord Touring have that the 2.4 TLX w/Tech doesn't? A V6 engine, upgraded 19-inch wheels, Remote engine start, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Front and rear parking sensors, Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), LED fog lights
A similarly equipped TLX would be the $40,000 3.5 TLX with Tech package. For $6K more, what will it have that the Accord Touring won't? 18-inch (not 19-inch like on the Accord) wheels, P-AWS, a 9-speed auto, an Integrated Dynamics System, 8-way power seat, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
The 2.4 TLX with Tech and 3.5 TLX with Tech sure looks a lot like an Accord Touring to me. And the Accord Touring is $2,000 to $6,000 less.
- Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (not available on any TLX)
- New 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface and HD radio
- Honda Sensing™ which includes:
- Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW)
- Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS)
- Road Departure Mitigation (RDM)
- Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
- Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
- Remote engine start
- 19-inch wheels
- Heated rear seats
- 60/40 split and folding rear seat
- Front and rear parking sensors
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
Looking at 2015 Acura TLX | Features | Compare Models | Acura.com, to get similar features, you'd have to get the 2.4 TLX with Tech package which is $36K. For $2k more, what does it have that the Accord Touring doesn't? P-AWS, an 8 speed DCT, an Integrated Dynamics System, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
For $2K less, what does the Accord Touring have that the 2.4 TLX w/Tech doesn't? A V6 engine, upgraded 19-inch wheels, Remote engine start, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Front and rear parking sensors, Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), LED fog lights
A similarly equipped TLX would be the $40,000 3.5 TLX with Tech package. For $6K more, what will it have that the Accord Touring won't? 18-inch (not 19-inch like on the Accord) wheels, P-AWS, a 9-speed auto, an Integrated Dynamics System, 8-way power seat, perforated Milano premium leather-trimmed interior, and a slightly quieter cabin.
The 2.4 TLX with Tech and 3.5 TLX with Tech sure looks a lot like an Accord Touring to me. And the Accord Touring is $2,000 to $6,000 less.
years back when I was shopping for my current car, the accord was not an option for me, and I don't think most people cross shop the accord with the tlx now. tlx sales and acura sales in general are doing very well, better than honda actually:
American Honda Motor Co. saw its total sales rise 1.3% last month, in large part thanks to continued successes for Acura. As in April, sales for the automaker’s Honda Division were down in May (by 0.3%), while the Acura Division was posting gains.
Acura May 2015 sales totaled 17,042 vehicles, for a substantial year-over-year increase of 16.1%. Those figures were largely driven by the brand’s luxury sedans, which enjoyed a remarkable 43.5% sales increase, and a second straight 4,000+ unit month.
Every current Acura model was up from the previous month, but the new TLX luxury sport sedan and upgraded ILX gateway luxury sedan were the real stars of the show, with a total of 4,352 TLXs and 1,673 ILXs sold.
Acura May 2015 sales totaled 17,042 vehicles, for a substantial year-over-year increase of 16.1%. Those figures were largely driven by the brand’s luxury sedans, which enjoyed a remarkable 43.5% sales increase, and a second straight 4,000+ unit month.
Every current Acura model was up from the previous month, but the new TLX luxury sport sedan and upgraded ILX gateway luxury sedan were the real stars of the show, with a total of 4,352 TLXs and 1,673 ILXs sold.
years back when I was shopping for my current car, the accord was not an option for me, and I don't think most people cross shop the accord with the tlx now. tlx sales and acura sales in general are doing very well, better than honda actually:
TLX, ILX Fuel Acura May Sales Increases | The News Wheel
TLX, ILX Fuel Acura May Sales Increases | The News Wheel
Acura May 2015 sales totaled 17,042 vehicles, for a substantial year-over-year increase of 16.1%. Those figures were largely driven by the brand’s luxury sedans, which enjoyed a remarkable 43.5% sales increase, and a second straight 4,000+ unit month.
May 2015 Acura RLX sales were 239 vs 324 in May 2014. A decrease of 23.4%
Acura TLX sales were 4,352. There were no TLX sales in May 2014 because it wasn't even out yet. This means that Acura's comparing sales of a brand new less than 1 model year old TLX to sales of a 6 yr old and discontinued 2G TSX and a 6 yr old and discontinued 4G TL.
Do you or Acura really expect 6 yr old and discontinued models to sell as well as brand new models? It's only natural to see sales taper off near the end of their model life.
For May 2015:
Acura TLX sales were 4,352
Acura TSX sales were 4
Acura TL sales were 10
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Total: 4,366
For May 2014:
TSX sales were 941
TL sales were 1,480
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Total: 2,421
So sales increased by 1,945 units from May 2014 to May 2015, or 80.33%. When you factor in ILX and RLX sales, that's how Acura's getting their 43.5% sales increase.
Acura should be comparing May 2015 sales with May 2009 sales because that's when the 2G TSX and 4G TL were in their 1st year of sales. You know why they didn't? Because if they did, we'd see this:
May 2009:
Acura TL sales were 3,375
Acura TSX sales were 2,466
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Total: 5,841
May 2015:
Acura TLX sales were 4,352
Acura TSX sales were 4
Acura TL sales were 10
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Total: 4,366
That sales decreased by 1,475 units or 25.25%.
I won't include the ILX into the number because there was no equivalent model on sale in May 2009. And if you compared May 2015 RLX sales to May 2009 RL sales, they were just as dismal so it'd be a wash.
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it's clear to me that your mind is made up. ilx ought to be included if the tsx is going to be included. you're comparing one model to two models.
But okay, if you want to include ILX sales.... I'll also include RL/RLX sales too so you don't think I'm being biased or trying to hide something.
May 2015 sedan sales:
Acura TLX sales were 4,352
Acura TSX sales were 4
Acura TL sales were 10
Acura ILX sales were 1,673
Acura RLX sales were 239
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Total: 6,278
May 2009 sedan sales:
Acura TL sales were 3,375
Acura TSX sales were 2,466
Acura RL sales were 169
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Total: 6,010
6,278 - 6,010 = 268 more units or +4.45%. A 4.45% increase is a far cry from Acura's claim of a 43.5% sales increase.
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The TLX might be one model, but it replaced both the TSX and the TL. That's why the TLX has a 2.4 and 3.5 engine option. The ILX did not replace the TSX. The ILX is Acura's entry level model and it's taking the place of the entry level RSX.
But okay, if you want to include ILX sales.... I'll also include RL/RLX sales too so you don't think I'm being biased or trying to hide something.
May 2015 sedan sales:
Acura TLX sales were 4,352
Acura TSX sales were 4
Acura TL sales were 10
Acura ILX sales were 1,673
Acura RLX sales were 239
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Total: 6,278
May 2009 sedan sales:
Acura TL sales were 3,375
Acura TSX sales were 2,466
Acura RL sales were 169
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Total: 6,010
6,278 - 6,010 = 268 more units or +4.45%. A 4.45% increase is a far cry from Acura's claim of a 43.5% sales increase.
But okay, if you want to include ILX sales.... I'll also include RL/RLX sales too so you don't think I'm being biased or trying to hide something.
May 2015 sedan sales:
Acura TLX sales were 4,352
Acura TSX sales were 4
Acura TL sales were 10
Acura ILX sales were 1,673
Acura RLX sales were 239
______________________
Total: 6,278
May 2009 sedan sales:
Acura TL sales were 3,375
Acura TSX sales were 2,466
Acura RL sales were 169
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Total: 6,010
6,278 - 6,010 = 268 more units or +4.45%. A 4.45% increase is a far cry from Acura's claim of a 43.5% sales increase.
Competition is also tough due to 320i/A3. Those lowest models were simply not there.
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In May 2009 TL/TSX were 1 year old. while in May 2015 ILX is 3 years old. i am sure next ILX will boost the sales. first attempt on ILX not very successfull. the design and space is down market for the price.
Competition is also tough due to 320i/A3. Those lowest models were simply not there.
Competition is also tough due to 320i/A3. Those lowest models were simply not there.
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Neither of those things is an "axe." You may not like what he has to say, or even how he says it, but dismissing everything he says outright as being nothing more than axe - grinding is disingenuous.
If the '16 TLX does not come with exhaust, carplay, better wheels, and 220hp on the I4 Tech package, it will be an embarrassment. This is coming from who likes and is shopping for a TLX.
Why would I spend 2k more for a TLX 2.4L tech when I could get the accord with way better engine, better wheels, more tech, arguably better transmission, arguably better looking for less.
For slightly better leather and road noise, I am paying more for all that less with a engine half as powerful?
Why would I spend 2k more for a TLX 2.4L tech when I could get the accord with way better engine, better wheels, more tech, arguably better transmission, arguably better looking for less.
For slightly better leather and road noise, I am paying more for all that less with a engine half as powerful?
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seems like you set out to undermine the tlx in this post. for example, I'm pretty sure you can get 19's and remote start on the tlx. the same comparisons could be made between tl's and accords in years past as well. regardless, tlx is a step up from the accord, and people are buying them.
Yes, you can give the TLX remote start and 19" wheels and other parts and accessories it doesn't have that the Accord Touring does. The same can be done to the Accord to give it what the TLX has. But I'm comparing them stock for stock with no options. It's easier to compare them that way since the claim you made was that you didn't see how the Accord was that close to the TLX.
Yes, I know the TLX is a step up from the Accord. I never said it wasn't. What I did say and show is how close the Accord Touring is to the 2.4 TLX Tech than they are different.
Consumer Reports did a comparison of the EX-L V6 Accord to the 2.4 TLX Tech as discussed here: https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...accord-925135/
Their conclusion:
"Sure, the TLX has three more stereo speakers and one more year of warranty. And though it’s slower, the TLX rides better and feels sportier. If those things, plus the prestige badge, are worth the $3,000, go for it."
There was another review/comparison done here: Acura advances with TLX: All-new mid-size car offers impressive technology, crisp performance
This brand-new Medium — sorry, TLX — is a very worthy contender, though, offering the kind of technology and refinement that Acura desperately needs to set itself apart in the tightly competitive luxury segment.
And unlike its comparatively uninspiring ancestors, it doesn’t tempt you to buy its cousin on the Honda lot to save some money. It’s such a big step up that you don’t sense a corporate connection there, making it seem more like a luxury car that’s a bargain rather than a bargain car that’s made to be luxurious.
Most of the difference comes from technology, which is where the TLX shines brightest.
And unlike its comparatively uninspiring ancestors, it doesn’t tempt you to buy its cousin on the Honda lot to save some money. It’s such a big step up that you don’t sense a corporate connection there, making it seem more like a luxury car that’s a bargain rather than a bargain car that’s made to be luxurious.
Most of the difference comes from technology, which is where the TLX shines brightest.
You don't have to agree with me. I don't expect you or anyone else to. As I said, "The 2.4 TLX with Tech and 3.5 TLX with Tech sure looks a lot like an Accord Touring to me."
When the MMC TLX comes out in a couple years, then it'll be a different story.
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2) Misinterpreting? I can see that Acura did increase sales year over year. But comparing against 6 year old and discontinued models? Even you have to admit those were some very easy comparisons to beat. Not exactly fair, IMO. That was my point.
Wrong about?
Your own links admit that TLX has sporty feel and better ride. and Accord is not good value at all. thats why it sells never compete with Camry.
TLX is good value as its standard product competing against big variations BMW 3 series and Hyundai Genesis with many big packages.
Accord design and material wise down market.
TLX is good value as its standard product competing against big variations BMW 3 series and Hyundai Genesis with many big packages.
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