Acura: TLX News
#8322
The sizzle in the Steak
#8323
The sizzle in the Steak
Count me a fan of this car. The 2.4L competes with the IS250 and the 3.5L competes with the IS350. The TLX offers better performance and better MPGs than the IS, and I'm sure the 2.4L I4 with 8 speed DCT is way more exciting than the Lexus 2.5L V6. Throw in Honda reliability which can't be said for any of the German cars and this car is smart buy. I'm not sure what more people expected?
Thank you.
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juniorbean (04-17-2014)
#8324
I feel the need...
Let's take one for a spin first and see where they price this puppy first. As long as they don't overreach like they did on RLX pricing, on paper this thing looks respectable.
I'm thinking real world pricing on a V6 9AT TECH at 42k is a value.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Still holding out hope for a 6MT, but sadly don't think its gonna happen. Depending on where the 6MT Golf R and 6MT Audi S3 get priced, they might just steal me as new customer.
I'm thinking real world pricing on a V6 9AT TECH at 42k is a value.
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Still holding out hope for a 6MT, but sadly don't think its gonna happen. Depending on where the 6MT Golf R and 6MT Audi S3 get priced, they might just steal me as new customer.
#8326
The sizzle in the Steak
Let's take one for a spin first and see where they price this puppy first. As long as they don't overreach like they did on RLX pricing, on paper this thing looks respectable.
I'm thinking real world pricing on a V6 9AT TECH at 42k is a value.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Still holding out hope for a 6MT, but sadly don't think its gonna happen. Depending on where the 6MT Golf R and 6MT Audi S3 get priced, they might just steal me as new customer.
I'm thinking real world pricing on a V6 9AT TECH at 42k is a value.
![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Still holding out hope for a 6MT, but sadly don't think its gonna happen. Depending on where the 6MT Golf R and 6MT Audi S3 get priced, they might just steal me as new customer.
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Fibbi: I'm thinking maybe I'd like to try me some of that German Engineering.
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#8327
I feel the need...
#8328
Team Owner
Count me a fan of this car. The 2.4L competes with the IS250 and the 3.5L competes with the IS350. The TLX offers better performance and better MPGs than the IS, and I'm sure the 2.4L I4 with 8 speed DCT is way more exciting than the Lexus 2.5L V6. Throw in Honda reliability which can't be said for any of the German cars and this car is smart buy. I'm not sure what more people expected?
#8330
The styling is conservative (What did you expect, look at the 4G TL), but the rest of the car looks like a winner.
If it's priced well, it should have no issues outselling the IS and Q50.
If it's priced well, it should have no issues outselling the IS and Q50.
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Goosew (04-16-2014)
#8331
Go Giants
Yeah, maybe a 3 series BMW.
#8332
Team Owner
Q50 is selling next to G37 so technically Infiniti killed its own sales # for Q50.
#8333
AZ Community Team
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I was pointing out the obvious that Acura was heading in the right direction in mid-2000's, screwed up sedans a few years later.
They're trying to recover after several misguided attempts, ILX and RLX are not doing it however the TLX is a positive step from a styling point of view. Will it hit it's 45K/yr target, perhaps but time will tell.
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#8335
AZ Community Team
#8336
The sizzle in the Steak
Sorry most if not all know how you work and if you think your mojo that it's all doom and gloom at H/A works then fine, the rest of us get you. ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
I was pointing out the obvious that Acura was heading in the right direction in mid-2000's, screwed up sedans a few years later.
They're trying to recover after several misguided attempts, ILX and RLX are not doing it however the TLX is a positive step from a styling point of view. Will it hit it's 45K/yr target, perhaps but time will tell.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
I was pointing out the obvious that Acura was heading in the right direction in mid-2000's, screwed up sedans a few years later.
They're trying to recover after several misguided attempts, ILX and RLX are not doing it however the TLX is a positive step from a styling point of view. Will it hit it's 45K/yr target, perhaps but time will tell.
![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Acura began it's slide in the mid 2000's. It's when they began to lose their way. It really set them up for the troubles they have on hand now. You could see that they did not have very good direction for their product.
Killing a "premium" coupe"
Not knowing what to do for an entry model, then killing the RSX/Integra
A very old outdated RL, just sat there.
RDX with turbo 4?!?!?
Bringing up the Accord (TSX) as the entry model....only helped to push the narrative of Honda +.
...but at least they had the MDX and 3G TL.
You are one of the few that think the TLX is "positive" step.
It's not a positive step, nor is it a negative step like the TL 4G.
It's like I said, they needed a home run, and they got a bit over a single.....could have been worse, and gone down looking on a strike 3 call.
I'm with Ken, see Acura in +5 YEARS if they ever do turn it around.
Let's hope this TLX is the last product from the old guard.
#8337
Team Owner
if we are only talking about horsepower #s. Camry has 270, base model Dodge charger has 290+hp.
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Yes TLX 4 banger with DCT might be able to achieve the same 0-60 as A4. but what about 20-100mph? you will have to revive the shit out of that car and flicking your fingers at lightning speed to get some reasonable acceleration. In order word, the car will feel slow in every day driving.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
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#8338
The sizzle in the Steak
Low end motor...not so much
2.4 182 lb-ft
320i 200 lb-ft
C250 229 lb-ft
A4 258 lb-ft
High end motor is close...against some....not so much against others
3.5 267 lb-ft
335i 300 lb-ft
C350 273 lb-ft
Audi?
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RPhilMan1 (04-17-2014)
#8339
Team Owner
182lbs and 267lbs of torque at 5000-6000 RPM does not mean much.
but at least Acura has the balls to put DCT and 9at in their cars now. I give them that. But i really hope they are not made of glass.
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I don't think you really need to flip your fingers lightning fast in the 2.4 TLX...there's an automatic mode.....
Actually, I think a 20-100mph race would benefit the NA TLX more. For instance, the A4 2.0T can reach 0-60mph in 6.4s, but takes 7.2s to to 5-60mph. In another test, it does 0-60mph in 6.3s, and 5-60mph in 7.8s. In a third test, 0-60mph in 5.7s, 5-60mph in 7.2s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
In all of these tests, the 0-60mph (~6s) is way faster than the 5-60mph (~7.5s).
Now let's look at a car with NA engine with 5AT, the TSX V6. 0-60mph in 6.1s, 5-60mph in 6.3s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
You will find similar results if you compare other cars too. Even though Audi and BMW make really good turbocharged engines, they still suffer from a small degree of turbo lag. That shows up in the 5-60mph run big time. It takes a bit of time for the boost to build up. Once the boost is up, then yea, these engines make big torque. This is not a dig to those cars, don't get me wrong, but it's the fact.
Another way to look at it is that, because of the immense amount of torque available at low rpm and max boost, you can really get a good start if you do brake torquing in a turbocharged car, especially one with AWD.
Anyway, I guess we will find out how the TLX will perform soon enough.
Actually, I think a 20-100mph race would benefit the NA TLX more. For instance, the A4 2.0T can reach 0-60mph in 6.4s, but takes 7.2s to to 5-60mph. In another test, it does 0-60mph in 6.3s, and 5-60mph in 7.8s. In a third test, 0-60mph in 5.7s, 5-60mph in 7.2s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
In all of these tests, the 0-60mph (~6s) is way faster than the 5-60mph (~7.5s).
Now let's look at a car with NA engine with 5AT, the TSX V6. 0-60mph in 6.1s, 5-60mph in 6.3s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
You will find similar results if you compare other cars too. Even though Audi and BMW make really good turbocharged engines, they still suffer from a small degree of turbo lag. That shows up in the 5-60mph run big time. It takes a bit of time for the boost to build up. Once the boost is up, then yea, these engines make big torque. This is not a dig to those cars, don't get me wrong, but it's the fact.
Another way to look at it is that, because of the immense amount of torque available at low rpm and max boost, you can really get a good start if you do brake torquing in a turbocharged car, especially one with AWD.
Anyway, I guess we will find out how the TLX will perform soon enough.
#8341
The sizzle in the Steak
if you put the RPM along with the torque #, then it will actually tell the story.
182lbs and 267lbs of torque at 5000-6000 RPM does not mean much.
but at least Acura has the balls to put DCT and 9at in their cars now. I give them that. But i really hope they are not made of glass.
182lbs and 267lbs of torque at 5000-6000 RPM does not mean much.
but at least Acura has the balls to put DCT and 9at in their cars now. I give them that. But i really hope they are not made of glass.
Huge difference not only in torque numbers, but where that torque is in the power band.
#8342
Instructor
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
The high torque turbo engines are fine, but Honda is historically good at the high revving stuff, so I don't see a problem with them sticking to what they do well. These engines are competitive in their class, and I appreciate the reliability of a N/A setup.
#8343
Moderator
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I hate to break this to you, but the market indicators seem to tell the story that such a group of customers is quickly diminishing. That's not a good thing if you are a business.
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RPhilMan1 (04-17-2014)
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I don't think you really need to flip your fingers lightning fast in the 2.4 TLX...there's an automatic mode.....
Actually, I think a 20-100mph race would benefit the NA TLX more. For instance, the A4 2.0T can reach 0-60mph in 6.4s, but takes 7.2s to to 5-60mph. In another test, it does 0-60mph in 6.3s, and 5-60mph in 7.8s. In a third test, 0-60mph in 5.7s, 5-60mph in 7.2s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
In all of these tests, the 0-60mph (~6s) is way faster than the 5-60mph (~7.5s).
Now let's look at a car with NA engine with 5AT, the TSX V6. 0-60mph in 6.1s, 5-60mph in 6.3s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
You will find similar results if you compare other cars too. Even though Audi and BMW make really good turbocharged engines, they still suffer from a small degree of turbo lag. That shows up in the 5-60mph run big time. It takes a bit of time for the boost to build up. Once the boost is up, then yea, these engines make big torque. This is not a dig to those cars, don't get me wrong, but it's the fact.
Another way to look at it is that, because of the immense amount of torque available at low rpm and max boost, you can really get a good start if you do brake torquing in a turbocharged car, especially one with AWD.
Anyway, I guess we will find out how the TLX will perform soon enough.
Actually, I think a 20-100mph race would benefit the NA TLX more. For instance, the A4 2.0T can reach 0-60mph in 6.4s, but takes 7.2s to to 5-60mph. In another test, it does 0-60mph in 6.3s, and 5-60mph in 7.8s. In a third test, 0-60mph in 5.7s, 5-60mph in 7.2s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
In all of these tests, the 0-60mph (~6s) is way faster than the 5-60mph (~7.5s).
Now let's look at a car with NA engine with 5AT, the TSX V6. 0-60mph in 6.1s, 5-60mph in 6.3s.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
You will find similar results if you compare other cars too. Even though Audi and BMW make really good turbocharged engines, they still suffer from a small degree of turbo lag. That shows up in the 5-60mph run big time. It takes a bit of time for the boost to build up. Once the boost is up, then yea, these engines make big torque. This is not a dig to those cars, don't get me wrong, but it's the fact.
Another way to look at it is that, because of the immense amount of torque available at low rpm and max boost, you can really get a good start if you do brake torquing in a turbocharged car, especially one with AWD.
Anyway, I guess we will find out how the TLX will perform soon enough.
And if you are going to magazine race, find the fastest time for both cars. You always pick the slowest time of the car that you want it to lose.
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#8345
Audi has S4 which competes with 335i and have beaten 335i in pretty much every review.
if we are only talking about horsepower #s. Camry has 270, base model Dodge charger has 290+hp.
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Yes TLX 4 banger with DCT might be able to achieve the same 0-60 as A4. but what about 20-100mph? you will have to revive the shit out of that car and flicking your fingers at lightning speed to get some reasonable acceleration. In order word, the car will feel slow in every day driving.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
if we are only talking about horsepower #s. Camry has 270, base model Dodge charger has 290+hp.
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Yes TLX 4 banger with DCT might be able to achieve the same 0-60 as A4. but what about 20-100mph? you will have to revive the shit out of that car and flicking your fingers at lightning speed to get some reasonable acceleration. In order word, the car will feel slow in every day driving.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
328Xi gets 29mpg with 8speed auto on 2100 mile.( Despite MDX being 25% heavier and much wider/taller vehicles with heavier wheels)
the longer the trip the greater is fuel economic advantage.
MDX with 6speed Auto
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/mdx/201...moth-trip.html
We covered 744 miles during the trip from Orange County to L.A. to Mammoth and back, averaging 22.8 mpg, even with the first hour or two of the trip spent at near-idle trying to get out of L.A. Our best tank was 24.9 mpg.
We covered 744 miles during the trip from Orange County to L.A. to Mammoth and back, averaging 22.8 mpg, even with the first hour or two of the trip spent at near-idle trying to get out of L.A. Our best tank was 24.9 mpg.
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/3-series-...uel-range.html.
Our overall trip average for the 2,100-mile round trip and associated side trips came out to 29.7 mpg.
All of this compares quite favorably to the EPA combined rating of 26 mpg.
Not sure if anyone will break the 500-mile range barrier in this car, but I'm convinced it can be done with the cruise control set between 65 and 70 mph on cruise control
Our overall trip average for the 2,100-mile round trip and associated side trips came out to 29.7 mpg.
All of this compares quite favorably to the EPA combined rating of 26 mpg.
Not sure if anyone will break the 500-mile range barrier in this car, but I'm convinced it can be done with the cruise control set between 65 and 70 mph on cruise control
Even Honda Accord V6 with summer performance tires will smoke 335. Accord V6 with all season tires and 6 speed auto has same timing to 0-120mph as 335 with 8speed auto.
TLX has 9 speed Auto with 15% aerodynamic improvement over TL and lighter. It is generation apart in advancement.
Honda technology is for real world. BMW is for paper specifications like use of summer tires or extra wide setup. All BMW got bald tires and deform alignment on long term tests.
#8346
I drive a Subata.
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better real world efficiency?. MDX gets 23mpg avg on 744 mile trip with no cruise control and two hrs in traffic.
328Xi gets 29mpg with 8speed auto on 2100 mile.( Despite MDX being 25% heavier and much wider/taller vehicles with heavier wheels)
the longer the trip the greater is fuel economic advantage.
MDX with 6speed Auto
8speed auto 328XI.
Even Honda Accord V6 with summer performance tires will smoke 335. Accord V6 with all season tires and 6 speed auto has same timing to 0-120mph as 335 with 8speed auto.
TLX has 9 speed Auto with 15% aerodynamic improvement over TL and lighter. It is generation apart in advancement.
Honda technology is for real world. BMW is for paper specifications like use of summer tires or extra wide setup. All BMW got bald tires and deform alignment on long term tests.
328Xi gets 29mpg with 8speed auto on 2100 mile.( Despite MDX being 25% heavier and much wider/taller vehicles with heavier wheels)
the longer the trip the greater is fuel economic advantage.
MDX with 6speed Auto
8speed auto 328XI.
Even Honda Accord V6 with summer performance tires will smoke 335. Accord V6 with all season tires and 6 speed auto has same timing to 0-120mph as 335 with 8speed auto.
TLX has 9 speed Auto with 15% aerodynamic improvement over TL and lighter. It is generation apart in advancement.
Honda technology is for real world. BMW is for paper specifications like use of summer tires or extra wide setup. All BMW got bald tires and deform alignment on long term tests.
Am I understanding your post alright?
#8347
Instructor
You have market indicators on whether the general population wants to get hp out of a high revving engine or a high torque engine?
#8349
4G TL and 2G IS sales have been on par, therefore the TLX not beating (2009-2012) 2G IS or 4G TL sales would be a disappointment since it's being touted as a big improvement over the outgoing model.
. . . . . 4G TL vs 2G IS
2009: 33,620 vs 38,077
2010: 34,049 vs 34,129
2011: 31,237 vs 29,669
2012: 33,572 vs 27,708
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Totals: 132,478 vs 129,583
But will the TLX have any issues outselling the 3G TL (60K-80K a year) or 2G TL (60k+ a year) or even initial 2G IS sales (2006 = 54,267 ; 2007 = 54,933 ; 2008 = 49,432)?
But if reports of Acura targeting a sales goal of 45,000 a year are true, then maybe not.
Hopefully they won't have to revise that 45,000 target down like they did with the ILX from 40K to 30K. (waiting for the revised sales goal of 20K)
. . . . . 4G TL vs 2G IS
2009: 33,620 vs 38,077
2010: 34,049 vs 34,129
2011: 31,237 vs 29,669
2012: 33,572 vs 27,708
_______________________
Totals: 132,478 vs 129,583
But will the TLX have any issues outselling the 3G TL (60K-80K a year) or 2G TL (60k+ a year) or even initial 2G IS sales (2006 = 54,267 ; 2007 = 54,933 ; 2008 = 49,432)?
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But if reports of Acura targeting a sales goal of 45,000 a year are true, then maybe not.
Hopefully they won't have to revise that 45,000 target down like they did with the ILX from 40K to 30K. (waiting for the revised sales goal of 20K)
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RPhilMan1 (04-17-2014)
#8351
AZ Community Team
Please link those posts for the rest of us.
- In 2005 Acura had it's peak sales of ~231K
- The TL peaked in 2005 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html) at 79K
- The RL peaked in 2005 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html) at 18K
- The TSX peaked in 2006 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html) at 38K
- So by the mid 2000's Acura had a good sedan family that accounted for 58% of it's sales.
- The MDX peaked in 2004 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html) at 60K.
- CL, not a great seller at only 12K in 2002 and going down from there (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/06...sa-canada.html). So maybe the nostalgic may love it but it was not selling well.
- Not as bad for the RSX at 30K sales in 2002 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/06...sa-canada.html) but that to me seemed like a strategic decission to get away from the low-end sport coupe which perhaps didn't line up with Acura's long term intentions.
- So what happened? Simple, planning of future sedans and poor style didn't work out. The 4G TL, ILX, and RLX have not met their goals. I wonder if it coincided with Charlie Baker leaving Honda for GM, but it's probably alot of factors.
- As to a few, I don't know quite a few have expressed optimism. It's a move in the positive direction.
Nope, this ignores a good chunk of my posts about the upside of Acura, and how they can get better, but you ignore that.
Acura began it's slide in the mid 2000's. It's when they began to lose their way. It really set them up for the troubles they have on hand now. You could see that they did not have very good direction for their product.
Killing a "premium" coupe"
Not knowing what to do for an entry model, then killing the RSX/Integra
A very old outdated RL, just sat there.
RDX with turbo 4?!?!?
Bringing up the Accord (TSX) as the entry model....only helped to push the narrative of Honda +.
...but at least they had the MDX and 3G TL.
You are one of the few that think the TLX is "positive" step.
It's not a positive step, nor is it a negative step like the TL 4G.
It's like I said, they needed a home run, and they got a bit over a single.....could have been worse, and gone down looking on a strike 3 call.
I'm with Ken, see Acura in +5 YEARS if they ever do turn it around.
Let's hope this TLX is the last product from the old guard.
Acura began it's slide in the mid 2000's. It's when they began to lose their way. It really set them up for the troubles they have on hand now. You could see that they did not have very good direction for their product.
Killing a "premium" coupe"
Not knowing what to do for an entry model, then killing the RSX/Integra
A very old outdated RL, just sat there.
RDX with turbo 4?!?!?
Bringing up the Accord (TSX) as the entry model....only helped to push the narrative of Honda +.
...but at least they had the MDX and 3G TL.
You are one of the few that think the TLX is "positive" step.
It's not a positive step, nor is it a negative step like the TL 4G.
It's like I said, they needed a home run, and they got a bit over a single.....could have been worse, and gone down looking on a strike 3 call.
I'm with Ken, see Acura in +5 YEARS if they ever do turn it around.
Let's hope this TLX is the last product from the old guard.
#8352
Team Owner
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if you put the RPM along with the torque #, then it will actually tell the story.
182lbs and 267lbs of torque at 5000-6000 RPM does not mean much.
but at least Acura has the balls to put DCT and 9at in their cars now. I give them that. But i really hope they are not made of glass.
182lbs and 267lbs of torque at 5000-6000 RPM does not mean much.
but at least Acura has the balls to put DCT and 9at in their cars now. I give them that. But i really hope they are not made of glass.
Peak horsepower is basically right at or around redline.
#8353
AZ Community Team
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As for the other, let's stay on topic as you asked about the German power. But you also showed how the HP debate is also pointless as relatively cheap HP can be abound in different vehicles. Are they in the same vehicle class here is the question? Someone buying a mid-2000's S500 probably couldn't care less if a Mustang GT at that time also had a ~300HP V8.
As for real world performance how often do people do 20-100? Flicking fingers? I would bet a year's salary the DCT has a auto mode and probably a sport mode that will allow redline shifting.
As for the actual performance, in a couple months I guess Edmunds will have a early review for some numbers.
Audi has S4 which competes with 335i and have beaten 335i in pretty much every review.
if we are only talking about horsepower #s. Camry has 270, base model Dodge charger has 290+hp.
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Yes TLX 4 banger with DCT might be able to achieve the same 0-60 as A4. but what about 20-100mph? you will have to revive the shit out of that car and flicking your fingers at lightning speed to get some reasonable acceleration. In order word, the car will feel slow in every day driving.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
if we are only talking about horsepower #s. Camry has 270, base model Dodge charger has 290+hp.
#s are all close but real world performance is not. Benz is coming out with C400 later on this year, so C350 will not matter anymore.
most if not all of TLX low end and high end competitors are using FI with better performance and better real world efficiency with power that you can actually feel.
Yes TLX 4 banger with DCT might be able to achieve the same 0-60 as A4. but what about 20-100mph? you will have to revive the shit out of that car and flicking your fingers at lightning speed to get some reasonable acceleration. In order word, the car will feel slow in every day driving.
Acura can't expect to steal many customers when their car feel significantly slower during test drive from its competitors. "oh you have to rev higher to feel it" does not work well for this type of car. It is not a s2000 where people actually appreciate the torque less acceleration.
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As for the other, let's stay on topic as you asked about the German power. But you also showed how the HP debate is also pointless as relatively cheap can be abound in different vehicles. Are they in the same vehicle class here?
As for real world performance how often do people do 20-100? Flicking fingers? I would bet a year's salary the DCT has a auto mode and probably a sport mode that will allow redline shifting.
As for the actual performance, in a couple months I guess Edmunds will have a early review for some numbers.
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Could be me, but I thought the S4's were much more than engine changes and trim configuration. Is it on par with M3 type with chassis changes?
BTW, what happened to the V6 in the A4's?
BTW, what happened to the V6 in the A4's?
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Just really not impressed. Everyone around them is just blowing their doors off at this point.
Its not bad or hideous...but its not inspiring either. Its just meh.
Its not bad or hideous...but its not inspiring either. Its just meh.
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