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Old 04-16-2014, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by VR1
I think the power numbers are ok? Lol the 4 banger is more powerful then the IS250/320i/2.5L ATS. The V6 is more powerful then the 328i, 2.0T ATS.
290hp isn't a sexy number, but when has acura ever had best in class power? maybe there will be a type-s!
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:17 AM
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You, sir, sound like a complete buffoon. You're really comparing cars from 2 different generations (7years difference) in equivalence? Do you not know how fast things change even in the span of 1 year?

It's not even worth it to try and make you understand how idiotic you sound.
to be fair, this comparison started here:

Originally Posted by oonowindoo
for 35k you get 260 hp V6 in 3G.
for 35k you get 208hp I4 in TLX.

So exactly what kind of values are you talking about?

Against 3G, it has less power but cost the same
Against competitors, it is likely to be cheaper but it also has less.

Value = same or better product at the cheaper price (Hyundai)
If you offer less everything for cheaper price, that is just CHEAPER, not value. (Acura)
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Originally Posted by Goosew
You, sir, sound like a complete buffoon. You're really comparing cars from 2 different generations (7years difference) in equivalence? Do you not know how fast things change even in the span of 1 year?

It's not even worth it to try and make you understand how idiotic you sound.
Agreed. Who would brag about a 2015 vehicle being better than its 2006 equivalent? That's like those people who say crap like "I take care of my kids! I'm a real man!". You're supposed to do that!
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Why anyone responds to him is the question I keep asking.

Just pretend its an ad you usually ignore and keep scrolling.
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I am also optimistic on this front. I hope Acura throws enthusiasts a bone. I'd like an Acura other than the NSX that has show AND go.
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Having owned 3 TSXs, I can honestly say I am not the least bit amused by the numbers. I realize that the I4 TLX will be a TSX replacement, but that doesn't mean they had to be so stingy with the performance increase. Considering that the current TSX has had the same 201-hp rating since its introduction as a 2009 model, I hardly think a 5-7% power increase is asking for too much.
Correction. HP numbers haven't really changed much since the TSX debuted in 2003. 11 years later and it's still the same.

2004 - 200 HP
2006 - 205 HP
2009 - 201 HP
2015 - 206 HP

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Originally Posted by AZuser
Correction. HP numbers haven't really changed much since the TSX debuted in 2003. 11 years later and it's still the same.

2004 - 200 HP
2006 - 205 HP
2009 - 201 HP
2015 - 206 HP

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Numbers don't matter as much as the performance of the car. It seems as though everyone is ignoring the fact that the TLX should be 1.5 seconds faster than the TSX which is what really matters.

Let's not forget the TLX will utilize an 8 speed DCT.
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Originally Posted by H_CAR
Numbers don't matter as much as the performance of the car.
For many (most?) potential buyers, I'd say the numbers on paper matter a lot, especially when they'll be comparing it against others makes/models. They'll equate what they see on paper to performance even though that's not accurate.

That's how people tend to shop.... by comparing what's on paper. Most potential buyers don't pull out their copy of Car and Driver or Motortrend to see how the car performs in real life vs other makes/models.
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Originally Posted by AZuser
For many (most?) potential buyers, I'd say the numbers on paper matter a lot, especially when they'll be comparing it against others makes/models. They'll equate what they see on paper to performance even though that's not accurate.

That's how people tend to shop.... by comparing what's on paper. Most potential buyers don't pull out their copy of Car and Driver or Motortrend to see how the car performs in real life vs other makes/models.
so does a lower weight number matter? what about a lower 0-60 number? or a higher mpg number?
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Originally Posted by H_CAR
Numbers don't matter as much as the performance of the car. It seems as though everyone is ignoring the fact that the TLX should be 1.5 seconds faster than the TSX which is what really matters.

Let's not forget the TLX will utilize an 8 speed DCT.
It seems the apologists are ignoring the "numbers" on the competitions cars in the same class as the TLX.
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:43 AM
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all i care about is 0 -100 - 0. That is my main requirement for a vehicle.
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Originally Posted by AZuser
Correction. HP numbers haven't really changed much since the TSX debuted in 2003. 11 years later and it's still the same.

2004 - 200 HP
2006 - 205 HP
2009 - 201 HP
2015 - 206 HP

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you do realize that 2G TSX is larger car than 1G TSX and TLX is larger than 2G TSX and it will still deliver real world better fuel economic, handling and performance.
1G TSX was designed for 215 size tire. 2G TSX for 225. so there is no shrinkage of width of tire to get better fuel economic.
I expect TLX 4cylinder to be closer to 2 second faster than 1G TSX at 0-60. and atleast 5 second difference at 0-120mph.
TLX is designed for ground up for SH-AWD. that system will be very effective even with all season skinny tire setup. not need 275 size tire.



http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._awd_update_1/

The biggest difference in performance was in our figure eight testing. The RDX ran the course in 27.8 seconds with a max lateral acceleration of 0.77 g (avg), while the bigger and heavier MDX ran the course in 26.5 seconds with a max lat of 0.85 g (avg). A difference of more than a second is a lifetime on a track, especially one as short as our figure eight course. It seems the SH-AWD system really does make a significant difference
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Come now, let's get it right, it was the RLX that was going to beat the M5.
You are correct, sir! I had TLX on the brain.

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Biker, who is still amazed that folks get a rise out of such posts.
Everyone has their inexplicable pet peeves.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
I expect TLX 4cylinder to be closer to 2 second faster than 1G TSX at 0-60. and atleast 5 second difference at 0-120mph.
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Biker, who is biased since he has an 06 TSX 6MT
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With the recent (and good) changes in Acura's leadership, expect to see some Type S models, particularly the TLX. More power, turbo and a possible manual option as well!
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
With the recent (and good) changes in Acura's leadership, expect to see some Type S models, particularly the TLX. More power, turbo and a possible manual option as well!
I said the same thing a few pages back but got attacked by the BMW fanboys.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
With the recent (and good) changes in Acura's leadership, expect to see some Type S models, particularly the TLX. More power, turbo and a possible manual option as well!
We can only cross our fingers and hope!
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I said the same thing a few pages back but got attacked by the BMW fanboys.
I have this t-shirt, it's a good life motto

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I said the same thing a few pages back but got attacked by the BMW fanboys.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
With the recent (and good) changes in Acura's leadership, expect to see some Type S models, particularly the TLX. More power, turbo and a possible manual option as well!
Peeps been hoping, praying, claiming, stating that for years.

Acura has a ton of work to do to change their track record.

Believe it when you see it, when it comes to Acura.

I'm hoping the current TLX is more of the "past" Acura, than the Future "changed" Acura.

The NA 4 cyl, mixed with the not best in class numbers for the old 3.5 V6 are not encouraging.

Let's hope in a few more years (MMC) they make a significant change.
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Live unveiling on their youtube channel..

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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Peeps been hoping, praying, claiming, stating that for years.

Acura has a ton of work to do to change their track record.

Believe it when you see it, when it comes to Acura.

I'm hoping the current TLX is more of the "past" Acura, than the Future "changed" Acura.

The NA 4 cyl, mixed with the not best in class numbers for the old 3.5 V6 are not encouraging.

Let's hope in a few more years (MMC) they make a significant change.
I'll partly agree with you. But remember CAFE standards are priority #1 for manufacturers. The TLX is the bread and butter for Acura and needs to bring up the average.

Some of the performance options R&D has cooked up will now be fast-tracked for approval and production. Here's to a GOOD Type S option.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
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Yep, you're clearly not biased and serving your own agenda.


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With the recent (and good) changes in Acura's leadership, expect to see some Type S models, particularly the TLX. More power, turbo and a possible manual option as well!

And a TLX Type-S with anything less then 400 hp would be another half measure because they clearly don't take anything seriously.
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Originally Posted by H_CAR
Numbers don't matter as much as the performance of the car. It seems as though everyone is ignoring the fact that the TLX should be 1.5 seconds faster than the TSX which is what really matters.

Let's not forget the TLX will utilize an 8 speed DCT.
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so does a lower weight number matter? what about a lower 0-60 number? or a higher mpg number?
0-60 time
hp numbers
mpg number
ring lap time

These ALL matter A LOT for marketing, if you know anything about marketing.
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Wow. Very disappointing. without the A-Spec lip kit. And those wheels .


Notice, there were like 3 people clapping lol...
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They had to find the most boring presenter ever. Jesus.
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And a TLX Type-S with anything less then 400 hp would be another half measure because they clearly don't take anything seriously.
Please, now you are getting ridiculous.

Type-S has never been on par with M, AMG, S, or even F.

I'd assume at best 25-35 additional horses courtesy of a 3.7 motor?, suspension upgrades, wheels, trim pieces...."maybe" a six speed manual option....maybe.

...and that's pretty darn good IMHO.

Type-S never was, and never will be an M or AMG.
...and that's ok......so long as Acura delivers a Type-S that is more than just window dressing trim bits and wheels.....which I think they can/will do.

Turbo V6 is just not in the cards.
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They had to find the most boring presenter ever. Jesus.
Steve Jobs, he is not.
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1. Those wheels seem really busy.

2. About 5 people cared enough to clap for it.

3. P-AWS will always look dumb, stop using that Acura!

4. lol, at "Sport +" mode.
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They had to find the most boring presenter ever. Jesus.
Dude looks the part of a politician trying to sell you some

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Steve Jobs, he is not.
I have coordinated a lot of trade shows/conventions for our client.

There are A LOT of presenters who make things fking interesting when the products aren't interesting.
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I have coordinated a lot of trade shows/conventions for our client.

There are A LOT of presenters who make things fking interesting when the products aren't interesting.
I'm agreeing with you. He's boring as crap.
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Man that track looked fun to drive.
It's so much fun on those straightaways
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