Acura: Integra News
03-18-2022, 02:12 PM
#521
Team Owner
03-18-2022, 02:16 PM
#522
Team Owner
I'm referring to the typical person who will be buying the car. Once all the initial demand from the enthusiasts subside, I'd expect like 90% of sales to the automatic. Only enthusiasts will by the 6MT, and that comparison is a totally different matter. But the automatic is going to be compared to the regular Civic, not the Si.
You can make the same argument about ILX Vs. Civic EX-L.... But you have to remember, there are not many ppl buying EX-L Civic to begin. Most of them are going to be the base and Sport trim.
Civic at EX-L and Touring trims are overlapping with Base and Sport Accord.
03-18-2022, 02:32 PM
#523
Probably true. But this $30k is still not confirmed. It could be $31 or 32k for the base trim.
You can make the same argument about ILX Vs. Civic EX-L.... But you have to remember, there are not many ppl buying EX-L Civic to begin. Most of them are going to be the base and Sport trim.
Civic at EX-L and Touring trims are overlapping with Base and Sport Accord.
You can make the same argument about ILX Vs. Civic EX-L.... But you have to remember, there are not many ppl buying EX-L Civic to begin. Most of them are going to be the base and Sport trim.
Civic at EX-L and Touring trims are overlapping with Base and Sport Accord.
The ILX can't really be compared to the Civic because (IMO) it's so much more inferior compared to even the 10G Civic, let alone the 11G Civic. The only saving grace is the K24/8DCT pairing, but if you take away the powertrain the rest of the car is leagues behind. And if you factor in the powertrain, then it really isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since the K24/8DCT is very different from the L15/CVT. Even if you ignore price, the ILX is better in some ways but worse in others. In the case of the Integra, it's shaping up to be better than the Civic in almost all regards if you ignore the price.
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03-18-2022, 02:47 PM
#524
Team Owner
It would be a pretty poor showing if the base Integra was $31K or more, since Acura has been saying it'll start around $30K for so long. If it's $32K, a $5K premium over the EX-L changes the game quite a bit.
The ILX can't really be compared to the Civic because (IMO) it's so much more inferior compared to even the 10G Civic, let alone the 11G Civic. The only saving grace is the K24/8DCT pairing, but if you take away the powertrain the rest of the car is leagues behind. And if you factor in the powertrain, then it really isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since the K24/8DCT is very different from the L15/CVT. Even if you ignore price, the ILX is better in some ways but worse in others. In the case of the Integra, it's shaping up to be better than the Civic in almost all regards if you ignore the price.
The ILX can't really be compared to the Civic because (IMO) it's so much more inferior compared to even the 10G Civic, let alone the 11G Civic. The only saving grace is the K24/8DCT pairing, but if you take away the powertrain the rest of the car is leagues behind. And if you factor in the powertrain, then it really isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since the K24/8DCT is very different from the L15/CVT. Even if you ignore price, the ILX is better in some ways but worse in others. In the case of the Integra, it's shaping up to be better than the Civic in almost all regards if you ignore the price.
The issue is, you can't ignore the price. The price in that segment is the most important deciding factor. Most of the Civic sold are not in the 30k range. So Integra will not steal many Civic buyers as they are a lot more cost driven.
The few Civic EXL/Touriong Trims buyers will probably consider Accord Sport as well since it is a bigger and nicer car. Again these are not the enthusiasts, enthusiast will definitely get the Si over EX-L. Then again Integra Apec is 10k more.
You then left with a very very few Civic EX-L/Touring buyers that might consider Integra base. The # is so small that it really does not matter.
at $28k Accord Sport is the best buy and that is why that is all you see on the street. I dont know why i would wanna spend $2-3k more for tiny Integra. or i could go get the 24k Civic Sport if i wanna go cheap.
The biggest issue with Integra is Acura did not give it the 2.0T. With 2.0T 255hp, the higher price, the differentiation from Civic and everything can be justified.
But they didn't
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03-18-2022, 02:53 PM
#525
Acura has been saying their goal is a $30k Integra. a $31k, $32k base price integra would not be too off. That is still reasonable within their goal. We will know what it is soon.
The issue is, you can't ignore the price. The price in that segment is the most important deciding factor. Most of the Civic sold are not in the 30k range. So Integra will not steal many Civic buyers as they are a lot more cost driven.
The few Civic EXL/Touriong Trims buyers will probably consider Accord Sport as well since it is a bigger and nicer car. Again these are not the enthusiasts, enthusiast will definitely get the Si over EX-L. Then again Integra Apec is 10k more.
You then left with a very very few Civic EX-L/Touring buyers that might consider Integra base. The # is so small that it really does not matter.
at $28k Accord Sport is the best buy and that is why that is all you see on the street. I dont know why i would wanna spend $2-3k more for tiny Integra. or i could go get the 24k Civic Sport if i wanna go cheap.
The issue is, you can't ignore the price. The price in that segment is the most important deciding factor. Most of the Civic sold are not in the 30k range. So Integra will not steal many Civic buyers as they are a lot more cost driven.
The few Civic EXL/Touriong Trims buyers will probably consider Accord Sport as well since it is a bigger and nicer car. Again these are not the enthusiasts, enthusiast will definitely get the Si over EX-L. Then again Integra Apec is 10k more.
You then left with a very very few Civic EX-L/Touring buyers that might consider Integra base. The # is so small that it really does not matter.
at $28k Accord Sport is the best buy and that is why that is all you see on the street. I dont know why i would wanna spend $2-3k more for tiny Integra. or i could go get the 24k Civic Sport if i wanna go cheap.
03-18-2022, 03:05 PM
#526
Ex-OEM King
It would be a pretty poor showing if the base Integra was $31K or more, since Acura has been saying it'll start around $30K for so long. If it's $32K, a $5K premium over the EX-L changes the game quite a bit.
The ILX can't really be compared to the Civic because (IMO) it's so much more inferior compared to even the 10G Civic, let alone the 11G Civic. The only saving grace is the K24/8DCT pairing, but if you take away the powertrain the rest of the car is leagues behind. And if you factor in the powertrain, then it really isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since the K24/8DCT is very different from the L15/CVT. Even if you ignore price, the ILX is better in some ways but worse in others. In the case of the Integra, it's shaping up to be better than the Civic in almost all regards if you ignore the price.
The ILX can't really be compared to the Civic because (IMO) it's so much more inferior compared to even the 10G Civic, let alone the 11G Civic. The only saving grace is the K24/8DCT pairing, but if you take away the powertrain the rest of the car is leagues behind. And if you factor in the powertrain, then it really isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since the K24/8DCT is very different from the L15/CVT. Even if you ignore price, the ILX is better in some ways but worse in others. In the case of the Integra, it's shaping up to be better than the Civic in almost all regards if you ignore the price.
03-18-2022, 03:15 PM
#527
That's true at the bottom end of the range, but in this case an EX-L buyer is likely less price sensitive and willing to pay the extra $3K for the Integra, compared to a base or Sport buyer who may not be willing to pay the extra $3K to move up to an EX-L. The point I was trying to make is that the ILX is a mixed bag compared to the Civic, even if you ignore the higher price, wheras the Integra should be objectively better than the Civic in almost all facets excluding price.
03-18-2022, 03:19 PM
#528
* excludes Destination & Handling fee of $1,045
03-18-2022, 03:19 PM
#529
?By the time the final pricing comes out and deliveries start happening, I would not be surprised if a lot of early reservation holders wind up cancelling. The 6MT is not going to be cheap (even though someone here thinks its going to be $32K), and the CTR (whenever it gets released) is going to steal a lot of buyers, assuming they don't get ADM'd into oblivion (wishful thinking I know). One the initial excitement wears off and reality sets in, I think enthusiasts are going to realize that the regular 6MT is too much of a compromise.
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03-18-2022, 03:36 PM
#530
Team Owner
I dont know why Acura does not offer 6mt on their cheapest trim...
I am not spending $35k + tax and fees, $40k on a 6mt Civic, or integra for that matter with 1.5L 200hp... they r smoking crack.
I am not spending $35k + tax and fees, $40k on a 6mt Civic, or integra for that matter with 1.5L 200hp... they r smoking crack.
03-18-2022, 03:41 PM
#531
I imagine if they offered it on the base, incrementality wouldn't be great because it would cannibalize the Si far too much. They have to make it expensive enough to make sure buyers wouldn't have bought the Si anyways if this car didn't exist. Problem is that the CTR and ITS also exists (soon), and I suspect those cars are going to instead cannibalize the top-spec-only 6MT Integra. I've said it before; I wouldn't be surprised if the 6MT Integra only lasts for a couple years so that Acura can capitalize on the hardcore fans, and then axe it once the CTR and ITS comes out and 6MT sales falls off a cliff. We saw it happen with the ILX and Accord; no reason it can't happen to the Integra too.
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04-28-2022, 01:32 PM
#532
Race Director
The 2023 Acura Integra debuted in March 2022. At the time, automaker representatives said it would be priced at around $30,000. Now, we know exactly what it will cost: $31,895 for the base model. That includes a mandatory destination fee of $1,095.
What do you get at that price point? All Integra models feature the same 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder available in the Honda Civic Si, creating 200 horsepower (149 kilowatts) and 192 pound-feet (260 Newton-meters) of torque. A 10.2-inch digital instrument display and a 7.0-inch center infotainment screen are standard, as are a suite of driver-assist and safety features in the AcuraWatch system. That includes traffic jam assist in models with the CVT, which is also the standard-issue transmission for the Integra line.
Enthusiasts are naturally interested in the six-speed manual transmission. It's available in the upgraded Integra A-Spec trim, however, you can only get it with the Technology Package, which pushes the cheapest manual-equipped Integra to $36,895. Along with the manual, the A-Spec and Technology Package adds a larger infotainment screen, a heads-up display, an upgraded stereo, a sport-tuned suspension with adaptive dampers, various drive modes, and there's a limited-slip differential for managing power at the front wheels. For 2023, the Integra A-Spec with Technology Package serves as the flagship of the line.
Here is a complete price breakdown between Integra trim levels. Note the six-speed manual is a no-cost option on the range-topping Integra.
2023 Integra Trim Level Transmission Price (before $1,095 destination) Total MSRP
Integra CVT $30,800 $31,895
Integra A-Spec CVT $32,800 $33,895
ntegra A-Spec w/ Technology Package CVT or 6-Speed Manual $35,800 $36,895
By comparison, the Honda Civic Si with the same powertrain starts at $28,315. However, it must be noted that the Honda is only available in sedan format versus Integra's five-door hatchback design. The Si also doesn't feature Integra's adaptive dampers or drive modes, as well as various tech upgrades like the heads-up display. New Integras also come with Acura's maintenance program that includes select factory-scheduled service visits for the first two years or 24,000 miles of ownership.
The 2023 Acura Integra will reach dealerships beginning in early June.
What do you get at that price point? All Integra models feature the same 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder available in the Honda Civic Si, creating 200 horsepower (149 kilowatts) and 192 pound-feet (260 Newton-meters) of torque. A 10.2-inch digital instrument display and a 7.0-inch center infotainment screen are standard, as are a suite of driver-assist and safety features in the AcuraWatch system. That includes traffic jam assist in models with the CVT, which is also the standard-issue transmission for the Integra line.
Enthusiasts are naturally interested in the six-speed manual transmission. It's available in the upgraded Integra A-Spec trim, however, you can only get it with the Technology Package, which pushes the cheapest manual-equipped Integra to $36,895. Along with the manual, the A-Spec and Technology Package adds a larger infotainment screen, a heads-up display, an upgraded stereo, a sport-tuned suspension with adaptive dampers, various drive modes, and there's a limited-slip differential for managing power at the front wheels. For 2023, the Integra A-Spec with Technology Package serves as the flagship of the line.
Here is a complete price breakdown between Integra trim levels. Note the six-speed manual is a no-cost option on the range-topping Integra.
2023 Integra Trim Level Transmission Price (before $1,095 destination) Total MSRP
Integra CVT $30,800 $31,895
Integra A-Spec CVT $32,800 $33,895
ntegra A-Spec w/ Technology Package CVT or 6-Speed Manual $35,800 $36,895
By comparison, the Honda Civic Si with the same powertrain starts at $28,315. However, it must be noted that the Honda is only available in sedan format versus Integra's five-door hatchback design. The Si also doesn't feature Integra's adaptive dampers or drive modes, as well as various tech upgrades like the heads-up display. New Integras also come with Acura's maintenance program that includes select factory-scheduled service visits for the first two years or 24,000 miles of ownership.
The 2023 Acura Integra will reach dealerships beginning in early June.
04-28-2022, 01:38 PM
#533
Not $30,995 ?
By the time the final pricing comes out and deliveries start happening, I would not be surprised if a lot of early reservation holders wind up cancelling. The 6MT is not going to be cheap (even though someone here thinks its going to be $32K), and the CTR (whenever it gets released) is going to steal a lot of buyers, assuming they don't get ADM'd into oblivion (wishful thinking I know). One the initial excitement wears off and reality sets in, I think enthusiasts are going to realize that the regular 6MT is too much of a compromise.
?By the time the final pricing comes out and deliveries start happening, I would not be surprised if a lot of early reservation holders wind up cancelling. The 6MT is not going to be cheap (even though someone here thinks its going to be $32K), and the CTR (whenever it gets released) is going to steal a lot of buyers, assuming they don't get ADM'd into oblivion (wishful thinking I know). One the initial excitement wears off and reality sets in, I think enthusiasts are going to realize that the regular 6MT is too much of a compromise.
04-28-2022, 01:47 PM
#534
Team Owner
DOA for the 6mt.
Some base trim will be sold as the econ box alternative (Civic) at 31k.
With all the new cars coming out. who is going to remember a a $37k 6mt Integra with 200hp.
Some base trim will be sold as the econ box alternative (Civic) at 31k.
With all the new cars coming out. who is going to remember a a $37k 6mt Integra with 200hp.
ntegra A-Spec w/ Technology Package CVT or 6-Speed Manual $35,800 $36,895
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04-28-2022, 01:48 PM
#535
I bet some chump is still going to pay for it. All it takes is one. I can't imagine dealerships will have a lot of these; much like the Accord 6MT, they'll probably have just enough to be able to sell at these inflated prices, and not a single one more.
04-28-2022, 01:52 PM
#536
Ex-OEM King
We all knew this was going to be a turd in regards to bang for buck, our suspicions were just confirmed.
04-28-2022, 02:06 PM
#537
Team Owner
I mean for that price, i would go get a Veloster N and actually save a lot $$
Acura really should have just dropped Accord's 2.0T in it... Then the price is justified.
Acura really should have just dropped Accord's 2.0T in it... Then the price is justified.
04-28-2022, 02:13 PM
#538
I'm still struggling to understand who this 6MT is for. I wouldn't be surprised if the base and A-Spec sells really well, but this top-trim 6MT sells like ass, and Acura says "see, nobody buys manuals" and just kills the 6MT once and for all.
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04-28-2022, 02:21 PM
#539
Team Owner
At thist point that'll probably be what the ITS is going to be. I can't imagine them dropping in the CTR's powertrain into it, as much as I want to believe. Probably going to be a hard no from the Honda folks.
I'm still struggling to understand who this 6MT is for. I wouldn't be surprised if the base and A-Spec sells really well, but this top-trim 6MT sells like ass, and Acura says "see, nobody buys manuals" and just kills the 6MT once and for all.
I'm still struggling to understand who this 6MT is for. I wouldn't be surprised if the base and A-Spec sells really well, but this top-trim 6MT sells like ass, and Acura says "see, nobody buys manuals" and just kills the 6MT once and for all.
If a 30k Accord could have it, i dont see why a 37k Intergra can't.
Everyone and their moms have some kind of 2.0T in the lineup all with 250hp and more. Only Honda still thinks it is some kind of forbidden fruit that cannot be shared.
04-28-2022, 02:27 PM
#540
I dont see it as a CTR powertrain. It is just a 250hp Accord's 2.0T. That is how i see it.
If a 30k Accord could have it, i dont see why a 37k Intergra can't.
Everyone and their moms have some kind of 2.0T in the lineup all with 250hp and more. Only Honda still thinks it is some kind of forbidden fruit that cannot be shared.
If a 30k Accord could have it, i dont see why a 37k Intergra can't.
Everyone and their moms have some kind of 2.0T in the lineup all with 250hp and more. Only Honda still thinks it is some kind of forbidden fruit that cannot be shared.
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04-28-2022, 02:34 PM
#541
Team Owner
Honda messed this whole thing up.
The 6mt, instead of Aspec, should have been offered as the Type S at 37k with 2.0T...
Everyone will be happy.
The 6mt, instead of Aspec, should have been offered as the Type S at 37k with 2.0T...
Everyone will be happy.
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04-28-2022, 02:56 PM
#542
My first Avatar....
Veloster N
Elantra N....the Elantra N LINE for that matter.
Toyota GR 86
Toyota GR Corolla .
04-28-2022, 03:46 PM
#544
Ex-OEM King
I dont see it as a CTR powertrain. It is just a 250hp Accord's 2.0T. That is how i see it.
If a 30k Accord could have it, i dont see why a 37k Intergra can't.
Everyone and their moms have some kind of 2.0T in the lineup all with 250hp and more. Only Honda still thinks it is some kind of forbidden fruit that cannot be shared.
If a 30k Accord could have it, i dont see why a 37k Intergra can't.
Everyone and their moms have some kind of 2.0T in the lineup all with 250hp and more. Only Honda still thinks it is some kind of forbidden fruit that cannot be shared.
Honda is the only company that doesn't see that people want more power and also seems to be the only company that can't both get more power along with getting better efficiency and reliability.
05-06-2022, 05:33 AM
#545
Race Director
Acura has a brand new Integra for the 2023 model year and it is already on sale. The production of the sports car begins at the Marysville Auto Plans, marking the first time in history the Integra is built in the United States. The first units are expected to arrive at the brand’s US dealers in early June this year or about a month from now.
The factory in Ohio is the exclusive global producer of the new Integra, where the sports car is assembled on the same line as the Acura TLX. In the preparations for the start of production, the associates at the plant had to overcome several challenges, including working remotely during the worst weeks of the COVID pandemic. New processes and new equipment were needed due to the different panels of the Integra compared to other vehicles assembled at the Marysville Auto Plant.
Acura also had to install an entirely new instrument panel production equipment that meets the requirements of the Integra’s digital panel. The vehicle’s 1.5-liter turbocharged engine, meanwhile, is assembled at Honda’s Anna Engine Plant in Ohio. As a reminder, the four-cylinder unit delivers a peak output of 200 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque.
The 2023 Integra made its official debut in March this year and in April, the automaker released the pricing information for its new performance product. Prices for the first year on the market start at $31,895 for the base model, including the mandatory destination fee of $1,095.
As standard, the vehicle is equipped with a CVT, though if you upgrade to the A-Spec trim with the Technology Package, it comes with a six-speed manual gearbox. This pushes the price to $36,895 but Acura says 70 percent of reservation holders wanted the three-pedal configuration.
The A-Spec vehicles also benefit from 18-inch wheels and have a small spoiler at the back. The interior is equipped with stainless steel pedal caps, red gauge needles, and contrast stitching for the upholstery.
The factory in Ohio is the exclusive global producer of the new Integra, where the sports car is assembled on the same line as the Acura TLX. In the preparations for the start of production, the associates at the plant had to overcome several challenges, including working remotely during the worst weeks of the COVID pandemic. New processes and new equipment were needed due to the different panels of the Integra compared to other vehicles assembled at the Marysville Auto Plant.
Acura also had to install an entirely new instrument panel production equipment that meets the requirements of the Integra’s digital panel. The vehicle’s 1.5-liter turbocharged engine, meanwhile, is assembled at Honda’s Anna Engine Plant in Ohio. As a reminder, the four-cylinder unit delivers a peak output of 200 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque.The 2023 Integra made its official debut in March this year and in April, the automaker released the pricing information for its new performance product. Prices for the first year on the market start at $31,895 for the base model, including the mandatory destination fee of $1,095.
As standard, the vehicle is equipped with a CVT, though if you upgrade to the A-Spec trim with the Technology Package, it comes with a six-speed manual gearbox. This pushes the price to $36,895 but Acura says 70 percent of reservation holders wanted the three-pedal configuration.
The A-Spec vehicles also benefit from 18-inch wheels and have a small spoiler at the back. The interior is equipped with stainless steel pedal caps, red gauge needles, and contrast stitching for the upholstery.
05-06-2022, 10:24 AM
#546
My first Avatar....
The production of the sports car...
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05-06-2022, 11:20 AM
#547
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
The title of that article is cracking me up.
So the headline is the car is assembled before arriving a dealerships....
So the headline is the car is assembled before arriving a dealerships....
05-06-2022, 11:42 AM
#549
My first Avatar....
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05-08-2022, 11:25 AM
#550
AZ Community Team
Acura Integra Production US, Ohio
05-26-2022, 08:22 AM
#552
AZ Community Team
2023 Acura Integra | It's Not the 90s Anymore
SG Integra intro, @0:57 they get into which parts of the structure/body/chassis are Integra exclusive
05-26-2022, 08:24 AM
#553
AZ Community Team
The Integra Has Returned! | 2022 Acura Integra First Drive
AoA
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05-26-2022, 08:30 AM
#555
Azine Jabroni
Sure looks like the Manual version is the best Acura sedan since the TL Type S
05-26-2022, 08:42 AM
#556
AZ Community Team
Reviews are fairly positive, designers and engineers at Honda/Acura did a very good overall design which should sell well.
The 6MT should be made available on lower tier trim packages, and Acura should and probably will create a Type-S version.
The 6MT should be made available on lower tier trim packages, and Acura should and probably will create a Type-S version.
05-26-2022, 08:45 AM
#557
Azine Jabroni
Seems like the reviews for the manual are almost universally praised but yeah, the CVT turns it into a "it's a nice car" but it has a ton of competitors.
05-26-2022, 12:20 PM
#558
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
Sarah's reviews are always entertaining.
05-26-2022, 12:28 PM
#560
6MT is fantastic, car drives like an Si but less frantic and more comfortable. Audio system good, materials good, backseat space good, handling good. CVT is good for a CVT (still lousy but is not a dealbreaker for regular folks). Sounds like it's what most people expected it to be based on what it looked like on paper.
I think the most interesting thing is that the CVT is gutless down low to the point where you can have the front wheels turned from a stop and it still can't get the tires to slip. Honda/Acura made it sound like the CVT wouldn't detract from the car, but based on the initial impressions it sure sounds like it's still a letdown even if it's good by CVT standards.
I think the most interesting thing is that the CVT is gutless down low to the point where you can have the front wheels turned from a stop and it still can't get the tires to slip. Honda/Acura made it sound like the CVT wouldn't detract from the car, but based on the initial impressions it sure sounds like it's still a letdown even if it's good by CVT standards.
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