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Just because the Si was the fastest Civic in the country doesn't mean the the base Integra is always going to be benchmarked against the fastest Civic in the country. If it were, then you'd also expect a substantial price increase since the fastest Civic is now $10K more than an Si. As it is, the Integra is about $3K more than the Si. Want it to have the 2.0T? You're probably looking at mid-to-high 30s. At that price level I suspect a good amount of their young prospective buyers are going to be priced out.
The pricing is all kinds of crazy though if you look at competitive cars.
Civic Si: ~200hp 1.5T 6MT for ~$28k
Golf GTI: ~240hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$29k
Veloster N: ~275hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$32k
WRX: ~270hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$30k
The competitors all have a lot more power and more engine for not a lot more money (based on MSRP that is). These days power is cheap and reliable with turbo motors which is why it surprises me that Honda doesn't do it on any of their cars.
The pricing is all kinds of crazy though if you look at competitive cars.
Civic Si: ~200hp 1.5T 6MT for ~$28k
Golf GTI: ~240hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$29k
Veloster N: ~275hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$32k
WRX: ~270hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$30k
The competitors all have a lot more power and more engine for not a lot more money (based on MSRP that is). These days power is cheap and reliable with turbo motors which is why it surprises me that Honda doesn't do it on any of their cars.
The pricing is all kinds of crazy though if you look at competitive cars.
Civic Si: ~200hp 1.5T 6MT for ~$28k
Golf GTI: ~240hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$29k
Veloster N: ~275hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$32k
WRX: ~270hp 2.0T 6MT for ~$30k
The competitors all have a lot more power and more engine for not a lot more money (based on MSRP that is). These days power is cheap and reliable with turbo motors which is why it surprises me that Honda doesn't do it on any of their cars.
Honda hasn't been competitive when it comes to power for a long time.
Reserving judgement until I drive it, but I'm just not sure what the market is for this type of vehicle. The ILX had terrible sales numbers and this to me appears to just be a rebadged ILX.
Really hope they release a GSR version at least.
Wait for some actual test drives/reviews. I think there is still some market with cars like the WRX but it's not a big market.
I'm curious if a CTR hardware will make it onto the Integra.
RDX now starts at $40K. so they need something at $30K. but i am surprize Acura is not creating some thing based on new HRV. to start at $30K. this thing with Acura badge will have long wait times. i
visibility,space and design. seats have high position. alot more space for legs.
Acura gave the world its first look at the highly-anticipated new Integra, signaling the return of the celebrated nameplate to the Acura lineup. Finished in striking Indy Yellow Pearl paint borrowed from NSX, the Integra Prototype is a strong indication of the exterior design of the all-new 2023 Acura Integra, which will be priced around $30,000 when it arrives at Acura dealers in 2022.
Inspired by past Integras, including the original that helped launch the Acura brand in 1986, the 2023 Integra will become the new gateway performance model in the Acura lineup, a premium sport compact with an evocative five-door design and fun-to-drive spirit. The first-ever factory-turbocharged Integra will excite a new generation of enthusiast drivers with an available six-speed manual transmission, limited slip differential and high-output 1.5-liter engine, with VTEC® of course.
"The Integra is one of the most iconic models in Acura's history," said Jon Ikeda, Vice President and Acura Brand Officer. "This new Integra, will continue to deliver on the original's unique aspirational yet attainable market position, with emotional performance and style, combined with the versatility and utility sought after by today's buyers."
Designed in Japan, the new Acura Integra's bold exterior styling features a dramatically sloping roofline and liftback tailgate, giving it a distinct coupe-like road presence. A modern interpretation of the Integra line, the fifth-generation model displays trademark cues such as the embossed Integra name under the driver's side headlight and passenger's side taillight.
First seen on the Type S Concept, Acura's new frameless Diamond Pentagon grille gives the Integra front a purposeful and sporty character. Acura's unique lighting signature is updated with the "Chicane" LED daytime running lights now positioned above the Integra's JewelEye® LED headlights, yielding an even more dramatic appearance.
Muscular rear wheel arches and aggressive rear fascia with dual-exhaust finishers emphasize Integra's wide track. Inspired by previous Integra models, the distinctive rear styling features wide, single-piece taillights with matching "Chicane" light signature. Behind the Integra Prototype's matte-finish 19-inch split-five spoke wheels are oversized Brembo™ high-performance brakes with color-keyed Indy Yellow calipers, providing incredible stopping power and an aggressive look.
The Acura Integra Prototype's striking Indy Yellow Pearl paint pays homage to Phoenix Yellow, offered on the iconic 2000-2001 Integra Type R. High-gloss Berlina Black accents have been applied to the Integra's roof, decklid spoiler, mirror caps, rear diffuser and front grille. A lower-sill graphic boldly displays the Integra name across the side of the vehicle.
The launch of the 2023 Acura Integra will mark the first time for Integra to be built in America, when it begins mass production next year at the Marysville Auto Plant in Ohio. Set to be built on the same production line with the Acura TLX, Integra will join all new Acura models sold in the U.S. in being built in Ohio.
I think the side would look a lot better if it wasn't fucking yellow with a sticker on it. This car in gray, white, blue, red, etc would suit it much better than yellow lol.
I think the side would look a lot better if it wasn't fucking yellow with a sticker on it. This car in gray, white, blue, red, etc would suit it much better than yellow lol.
But without that sticker, how would people know it's an Integra and not a Civic?
But without that sticker, how would people know it's an Integra and not a Civic?
True. Plus I'm sure the sticker accounts for the majority of whatever power increase this has over the normal Civic.
I still seriously think Honda should just shit can Acura and move on. Make all the Acura models a trim level of whatever Honda they're based on and call it good. Wouldn't be a whole lot of difference in reality either.
True. Plus I'm sure the sticker accounts for the majority of whatever power increase this has over the normal Civic.
I still seriously think Honda should just shit can Acura and move on. Make all the Acura models a trim level of whatever Honda they're based on and call it good. Wouldn't be a whole lot of difference in reality either.
I half expected Acura marketing to spout some BS about how this is a callback to the DOHC VTEC sticker from the 8G Si.
I think Acura is desperately trying to figure out how to differentiate itself from Honda beyond just being a Honda Plus product since they decided to hop off the luxury boat about ten years ago. The problem is that Acura's definition of "Performance" is doesn't match what most people think of when they think of "Performance". Sure their base cars might be more dynamic and "fun to drive" compared to the competitors' base cars, and maybe the Type S "performance" models might be more "fun to drive" compared to the equivalent competitive models (which aren't even their performance models), but all that doesn't show up in the numbers. When I think of Acura's "performance", I think of cars like the Miata and GT86/BRZ. Yes, they're fun to drive, and yes, they are drivers cars, but performance? Sporty, yes, but performance, no not really.
I forget which outlet said it, but "Precision Crafted Adequecy" probably best describes the company.
I half expected Acura marketing to spout some BS about how this is a callback to the DOHC VTEC sticker from the 8G Si.
I think Acura is desperately trying to figure out how to differentiate itself from Honda beyond just being a Honda Plus product since they decided to hop off the luxury boat about ten years ago. The problem is that Acura's definition of "Performance" is doesn't match what most people think of when they think of "Performance". Sure their base cars might be more dynamic and "fun to drive" compared to the competitors' base cars, and maybe the Type S "performance" models might be more "fun to drive" compared to the equivalent competitive models (which aren't even their performance models), but all that doesn't show up in the numbers. When I think of Acura's "performance", I think of cars like the Miata and GT86/BRZ. Yes, they're fun to drive, and yes, they are drivers cars, but performance? Sporty, yes, but performance, no not really.
I forget which outlet said it, but "Precision Crafted Adequecy" probably best describes the company.
I'm equally baffled by where Acura thinks they are in the market these days. This Integra is not helping. Acura only seems to exist to service people intensely loyal to Honda who have made enough money now to afford something that appears to be more upscale but really isn't compared to competition - unless they are just banking on the folks who will not bother cross shopping (and there are lots to be honest). But they are not drawing people away from BMW, Audi, Lexus or even Infiniti. And the Genesis line up is really competitive now. Even Kia and Mazda are blurring the lines between what used to be the difference between mass market and luxury brands.
I half expected Acura marketing to spout some BS about how this is a callback to the DOHC VTEC sticker from the 8G Si.
I think Acura is desperately trying to figure out how to differentiate itself from Honda beyond just being a Honda Plus product since they decided to hop off the luxury boat about ten years ago. The problem is that Acura's definition of "Performance" is doesn't match what most people think of when they think of "Performance". Sure their base cars might be more dynamic and "fun to drive" compared to the competitors' base cars, and maybe the Type S "performance" models might be more "fun to drive" compared to the equivalent competitive models (which aren't even their performance models), but all that doesn't show up in the numbers. When I think of Acura's "performance", I think of cars like the Miata and GT86/BRZ. Yes, they're fun to drive, and yes, they are drivers cars, but performance? Sporty, yes, but performance, no not really.
I forget which outlet said it, but "Precision Crafted Adequecy" probably best describes the company.
100%. The TLX-S performance model is slower than the mid level German equivalent (M340i, S4, C43, etc) let alone the real performance variants of those cars. The TLX-S is probably equally as good as the Accord 2.0T which is half the price.
It’s a shame their marketing dept didn’t choose slogan that their cars could actually support. “Precision Crafted, Sport Injected” is a lot more accurate. Their cars are pretty good if you look at them with the right perspective, but the unrealistic expectations that all this talk about “performance” sets leads to disappointment and ridicule. You can’t bill yourself as “performance” and then accelerate slower than almost everything else in the same class.
It’s a shame their marketing dept didn’t choose slogan that their cars could actually support. “Precision Crafted, Sport Injected” is a lot more accurate. Their cars are pretty good if you look at them with the right perspective, but the unrealistic expectations that all this talk about “performance” sets leads to disappointment and ridicule. You can’t bill yourself as “performance” and then accelerate slower than almost everything else in the same class.
Yep. A TLX is about as sporty as a Lexus ES and a Type S is competitive with an IS350...that's about it. Everything else in that market will spank it like the bad car it is.
It is still shocking that a 3L TWIN TURBO can be as bad as a TLX-S.... i did not expect it to be as fast as BMW... but i seriously thought it was be at least on par with S4, which i believe is what Acura used as the benchmark for TLX-S right?
How they could allow TLX-S to go in production when i am sure they had done the testing and comparison already???
It is still shocking that a 3L TWIN TURBO can be as bad as a TLX-S.... i did not expect it to be as fast as BMW... but i seriously thought it was be at least on par with S4, which i believe is what Acura used as the benchmark for TLX-S right?
How they could allow TLX-S to go in production when i am sure they had done the testing and comparison already???
It would be more egregious if it was a twin-turbo.
Why?
Only non-car people would think TwinTurbo is better than single turbo. In reality it does not really matter.
It is just different applications. Single turbo can make just as much power as twin actually if it could make more. That is especially true in 2021 when mild hybrid and other tech like twinscroll turbo are making single turbo lag almost non-existent.
I personally see little to no benefits of having TT, all it does it having more hardware to breakdown and adding more weight.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 11-18-2021 at 12:45 PM.
A twin turbo setup is to reduce lag by making the impellers smaller as they need to pass less flow through each bank of the engine. A twin scroll accomplishes the same task by having two different impellers in the same housing. Other than sounding more fancy, a twin turbo setup is no better or worse than a twin scroll.
11-12-2021, 02:05 PM
Wait for some actual test drives/reviews. I think there is still some market with cars like the WRX but it's not a big market.
