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Now the question is whether the dealerships will actually let you buy your reserved car for sticker price and justify it now that Acura said "supply will be limited".
Acura? Limited supply?
They're going to be begging people to take these when they come in asking why buy this car that looks just the same as the Civic for $10k more.
I share others' skepticism that the Integra is worthy of pre-ordering, and think Acura may be setting themselves up for an embarrassing flop with this strategy. All I can think is that limiting the production of the final year of the NSX led to a feeding frenzy, so the marketers think they're really onto something. They'll call the Integra "limited", hope people get all worked up over it, and laugh all the way to the bank. Except I don't see it working out that way in the end...
You have to build something worth owning before you can have a wait list of people that anxious to get it.
Car and Driver Lightning Lap issue just came out and they were very positive about the Civic Type R. Got glowing reviews and fairly credible track performance for a respectable price. Why would someone want an Integra with less performance and equivalent interior for the same money...
Fun fact that Civic also beat the TLX Type-S best lap time by 6 seconds....
You have to build something worth owning before you can have a wait list of people that anxious to get it.
Car and Driver Lightning Lap issue just came out and they were very positive about the Civic Type R. Got glowing reviews and fairly credible track performance for a respectable price. Why would someone want an Integra with less performance and equivalent interior for the same money...
Fun fact that Civic also beat the TLX Type-S best lap time by 6 seconds....
Because you can actually get an Integra whereas finding a CTR for anywhere close to MSRP is borderline impossible.
Honda: Lets build the car everyone wants and not let them have it
Acura: Lets build the car nobody wants and make a bunch of them
Makes sense....
Math...
[looks at notes]
...checks out.
Honestly if they would just take the CTR, make it into a ITS, and make a metric fuck ton of them, they'd sell SO many of these cars. It's not like the CTR is all that exotic or anything, they just know that the market to buy a hopped up Civic that still has a Civic interior is small. Sell that same car with an Acura badge and you'd do a lot better because Americans are shallow. Same happened with VW/Porsche/Audi (Touareg vs Cayenne and Phaeton vs A8) as well as Toyota/Lexus (Avalon vs ES).
Honestly if they would just take the CTR, make it into a ITS, and make a metric fuck ton of them, they'd sell SO many of these cars. It's not like the CTR is all that exotic or anything, they just know that the market to buy a hopped up Civic that still has a Civic interior is small. Sell that same car with an Acura badge and you'd do a lot better because Americans are shallow. Same happened with VW/Porsche/Audi (Touareg vs Cayenne and Phaeton vs A8) as well as Toyota/Lexus (Avalon vs ES).
A CTR skinned to look less boy racer, with a bit more creature comforts and NVH insultation, priced in the mid-40s, and I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Have the CTR/ITS be like the Golf R/S3. But alas, that probably ain't happening.
A CTR skinned to look less boy racer, with a bit more creature comforts and NVH insultation, priced in the mid-40s, and I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Have the CTR/ITS be like the Golf R/S3. But alas, that probably ain't happening.
My thoughts exactly, with an emphasis on making the interior premium and competitive with entry-level luxury cars. That would be a ride worth owning.
I would have just buy the Si and save $10k (similarly equipped).
Acura has been staring at Ford and Tesla for too long and they forgot who they are.
Just a terrible market strategy, the civic/SI for the money is decent. VERY few will pay 10k more for a body kit and a slightly more upscale interior. Just a huge head scratcher. Unless they offer different powertrains and drivetrains for the integra then I'd agree this will wind up a flop.
Should've allocated those chips to the Type S models or even focused on the RDX type S instead of an integra.
Will be interesting what the Type S variant will have, the SI engine? Accord Sport? (the engine it should've come with in the first place..) or the Civic Type R version (Unlikely because 10k on top of a Type R is TLX Type S money essentially) Which is the same situation they ran into one of my previous cars the TSX V6 vs the TL. They cost almost the same as their bigger brother without the added space or Brembos.
I can't figure out if Acura really doesn't understand who they are marketing to, or if they know and this is just misdirection for the hype?
They appear to be trying to market to enthusiasts and maybe those who had a Gen 2 looking for a trip down memory lane.
Who they will really sell this car to are Honda loyalists who just want the badge and a daily driver but don't have TLX money. And they are out there - those folks exist - just in such small numbers I can't believe anyone would create a car just for them. It's the ILX all over again.
I can't figure out if Acura really doesn't understand who they are marketing to, or if they know and this is just misdirection for the hype?
They appear to be trying to market to enthusiasts and maybe those who had a Gen 2 looking for a trip down memory lane.
Who they will really sell this car to are Honda loyalists who just want the badge and a daily driver but don't have TLX money. And they are out there - those folks exist - just in such small numbers I can't believe anyone would create a car just for them. It's the ILX all over again.
The only thing i wish they carried over from the ILX was the DCT, I never dealt with a Honda/Acura DCT but liked the idea in principle. I've heard rumors of it popping back up. I think if they kept it with Acura only and used it on the Integra there may be some potential.
Longtime Acura fans were thrilled when the luxury Japanese automaker announced the return of the Integra, one of its most iconic nameplates, in late 2021. Production will begin at the Marysville, Ohio assembly plant later this year for the 2023 model year. There has been a lot of debate within the Integra fan community regarding the fastback sedan's styling and that it appears to be, at least for some, nothing more than a heavily restyled Honda Civic Si. That might turn out to be partially true but something has changed.
A member of the Integra Talk fan forum has posted a screenshot from an Acura dealership in Wisconsin claiming the reborn Integra will be offered with the brand's outstanding Super Handling-All Wheel Drive system (SH-AWD).
As Acura put it, this will help "to increase your traction" in road conditions like rain, snow, and ice." Even better, the system will be paired with the six-speed manual transmission. Acura has not officially confirmed this information.
CarBuzz reached out to Acura seeking comment and a spokesperson told us the following: "The Integra will continue a tradition of being one of the best driving, front-wheel drive vehicles on the market. We look forward to sharing additional details on the all-new Integra soon."
This is a pretty big deal because the addition of SH-AWD, standard or optional, will properly separate the Integra from the Civic Si. Both cars share not only a platform (and heavy doses of interior styling) but also a turbocharged 1.5-liter VTEC four-cylinder engine.
A precise output has not been revealed for the Integra but in the Civic Si it pumps out 200 horsepower and 192 lb-ft of torque. Acura recently announced pre-orders will kick off on March 10 prior to sales beginning this spring. Spots will surely be limited. Prospective customers have been told pricing will begin at around $30,000. To compare, the 2022 Civic Si costs at least $27,300. The Honda will remain FWD only.
Integra customers interested in getting SH-AWD, which we highly recommend, should be prepared to pay around a couple thousand more for the system. Hopefully, official details will be arriving soon.
Is the Si tuned for 91/93 only? Maybe the Integra gets a 91 tune from the factory & a small HP bump. If it gets AWD, it'll be interesting to see if that's an option with the 6MT, or if it's a CVT/DCT only option.
Guess we can hold out hope for a TypeS or TypeR to get the 2.0T + AWD
AWD changes things a little bit - but it still needs the Type R motor.
Yeah...it makes the car heavier and therefore even slower.
Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Is the Si tuned for 91/93 only? Maybe the Integra gets a 91 tune from the factory & a small HP bump. If it gets AWD, it'll be interesting to see if that's an option with the 6MT, or if it's a CVT/DCT only option.
Guess we can hold out hope for a TypeS or TypeR to get the 2.0T + AWD
They can't do a 91 only tune from the factory, it has to be adaptable to whatever is put in it, I think this is a legal thing that it has to be able to automatically run on 87.
^ Wut?
My TL was premium only, my Mercedes was the same. 91 octane minimum.
Correct but if you put 87 in there it would automatically compensate and still run albeit not at the optimum parameters. My point is that you can't have an ONLY 91 tune, it needs to be able to automatically compensate so some dumbfuck doesn't kill their engine.
Ok, agreed.
List it as 91 minimum, but have the retardation there if someone puts in 87.
Never ran anything lower than 91 in the TL or the C
Tried a few tanks of 89 in my Infiniti J30 (VG30DE) when gas spiked around Hurricane Ike. It didn't like it at all & had some mild knock after a few hundred miles. Bank to 91/93 & it was happy.
That's true, but seems like pretty much only CUV/SUV.
And where acceleration/performance is not always an important factor.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a 1.5T being used in any premium/luxury car, let alone one with performance aspirations. Acura better up the boost, because otherwise this car is going to be quite slow for what it's supposed to be.
Ok, agreed.
List it as 91 minimum, but have the retardation there if someone puts in 87.
Never ran anything lower than 91 in the TL or the C
Tried a few tanks of 89 in my Infiniti J30 (VG30DE) when gas spiked around Hurricane Ike. It didn't like it at all & had some mild knock after a few hundred miles. Bank to 91/93 & it was happy.
Right, a 91 specific tune from the factory is a dangerous game which is why all these cars come with knock/octane sensing and the software to adjust as needed. A 91 specific aftermarket tune is a different story not to mention factory tunes are pretty conservative to begin with.
Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
This would be a major problem, just like the TLX-S.
Makes me think, are there any 1.5L turbos out there paired with an AWD system?
Off the top of my head, seems like most are 2.0L+. Need that displacement.
Toyota GR Yaris is AWD and runs a 1.5L 3 banger and it's a fucking hoot from what I read from over the pond.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a 1.5T being used in any premium/luxury car, let alone one with performance aspirations. Acura better up the boost, because otherwise this car is going to be quite slow for what it's supposed to be.
1.5L 3 cylinder.
It's not the size of the engine, it's how you use it. Running a 1.5L turbo 4 with a super conservative tune is going to suck. Boosting it to the moon or adding a hybrid system is going to be more fun but more of a reliability/cost concern.
Solution? Go with the 2.0T you already make and use that instead of being idiots and running the lower output motor for no apparent reason.
The first thing that came to my mind is 1.5T Si is already slow... if you add AWD to it... the initial jump would be good if you actually launch the car at the light.. for everyday driving it is going to be SLLLLLLLOOW.
I dont believe it until i see it. CTR doesnt even have AWD, i dont see this happening, especially if the source is from a honda dealer.... i never trust dealers when it comes to car specs until it is officially announced.
Off the top of my head, the Bronco Sport has AWD and comes with a 1.5L 3-cylinder. CRV, Chevy Equinox, and Ford Escape are 1.5T too.
Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
That's true, but seems like pretty much only CUV/SUV.
And where acceleration/performance is not always an important factor.
Hoping Ford decides to offer the 2.0T in the 'lower' B Sport trims in the future. An Outer Banks with the 2.0T would be tempting for a DD.
Have read that the 1.5T is not bad, but far less peppy than the 2.0T
That, or figure out the Maverick Hybrid powertrain into the B Sport.
After taking a break for decades, the Acura Integra is finally back. With it comes a nostalgia-filled excitement for its fans and a waiting game that has already started. Good thing Acura already gave us a preview via the Integra Prototype along with some information about the production model.
While waiting for more info about the 2023 Integra, it seems like its trim levels have been revealed via the Integra Talk forum site. More importantly, one mystery has been confirmed through the leakage – if we're to take it as gospel.
According to the post by username TogueLife, there will be three trim levels for the upcoming 2023 Acura Integra, namely the base, the A-Spec, and the A-Spec Tech. Those who know their Acuras should discern that the A-Spec Tech stands as the range-topper in this lineup.
Interestingly, CVT is standard on all three trim levels, while the six-speed manual that came with the Integra Prototype is available as an option for the A-Spec Tech. This isn't surprising as the Honda Civic Si, which the Integra will share its turbocharged 1.5-liter four-banger engine with, also has CVT as standard for the non-stick-shift versions.
The color options for each trim level (exterior and interior) have also been leaked on the same thread, revealing the lack of the Integra Prototype's yellow launch color. Of note, these leaked pieces of information are not official at this point.
Acura said that the ordering books for the 2023 Integra will open on March 10, 2022. The first batch will be limited for the early adopters, though the exact number has yet to be said.
"By capturing natural demand early for specific builds (option packages, exterior and interior colors, etc.) we can prioritize these units into early production to best meet the needs of these most ardent buyers," an Acura spokesperson said.
Interestingly, CVT is standard on all three trim levels, while the six-speed manual that came with the Integra Prototype is available as an option for the A-Spec Tech. This isn't surprising as the Honda Civic Si, which the Integra will share its turbocharged 1.5-liter four-banger engine with, also has CVT as standard for the non-stick-shift versions.
The Civic Si is available with a CVT? When did this happen?
02-14-2022, 06:55 PM
at Acura. That they think they've made something so exclusive that this kind of wait list is warranted. 
^ Wut?
The Civic Si is available with a CVT? When did this happen?
