iforyou

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I think it may help a bit if there's 6MT for every trim, plus a tech pkg only model for $33.8k. I don't think the Integra really needs that A-spec kit for $2k. It just makes the car seems more pricey without really adding much to the value.

At $33.8k Tech with 6MT, it has all the bells and whistles (HUD, adaptive dampers, parking sensors, heated seats, memory seats, power seats, etc) and still be cheaper than a absolute base Audi A3. A $30.8k 6MT base Integra would also be nice just for the better warranty, maintenance. badge, and lift back design.

But ya, I don't see the above happening unfortunately.

oonowindoo

It will help a lot. Because as of right now, it is not about the trim. Basically Acura is saying Integra 6mt is $37k since that is the only way you can get one whether you actually want those extra feature or not.

iforyou

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agreed that's an issue. Hopefully they will have the 6MT in more trims going forward.

00TL-P3.2

If the ILX is an indicator, unlikely.
Maybe they'd add it to the base trim & keep it on the loaded. Shame you can't just get it on all trims
Bring back a la carte ordering.

oonowindoo

I can't remember the last time Acura has offered a la carte options. if you want 1 thing, then you gotta pay for the other 20 things that you dont need.

Legend2TL

Summer tires, special paint and Navigation have been on many modern Acura's as single line items. Current TLX Type-S also has the performance wheels and summer tires.

Legend2TL

That would probably increase overall sales IMO

oonowindoo

Navigation is still single line item? i thought that was like Acura CL Type S days. You can order Special Paint from Acura? like BMW Individual?
But sure, usually i dont really think wheels and tires as a la carte options. They are more of accessories than your typical options.

Legend2TL

All are factory single line options which are options not accessories. The special paint are premium colors which are again single line options (similar to other manufactures). Same with the wheel/tires which are options similar to other manufacturers. Accessories are dealer installed items, which are none of what I listed are accessories. I also used the word "have" not necessary meaning current, AFAIK haven't seen Nav available in several years.

The 6MT on the Integra is also kinda a single line option since the A-Spec w/Technology has choice of two transmissions.

oonowindoo

Ok if you must define it like that, then i guess Badges, maintenance programs would qualify too. I think every model, trim and brand would all have a la carte options.

I think we were talking about HUD, Sound system, heated seats, heated steering wheel, cool seats, laser or matrix headlight, Screen size, wireless charging, safety features and other luxury features. I guess you can throw Wheels/tires and color too then.

Legend2TL

No it's not how I define it, it's how manufacturers define it.
Pretty simple to understand if it's a factory installed it's an option, if it's dealer installed it's an accessory.

https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/...nd-accessories

Honda/Acura are mostly a trim operation but have a few single item options depending on vehicle.
Even their CBR600RR motorcycle had a single option, being ABS.
Acura even shows the many accessories available for a TLX as shown in this link but they're not factory options but dealer accessories

https://www.acura.com/build-price/tl...3P&interior=EN

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SamDoe1

Dammit I was just coming here to post that lol.

oonowindoo

The GLI choked at launch... if the driver could launch the car, it probably could have kept up with the N. Pretty impressive.

Not even going to comment on the integra. It brought a knife to a gun fight.

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I agree with everything they've mentioned in this review which is the same things I said to my wife when we spent some time with the Integra.

Edward'TLS

Unfortunately, the only guns that Acura can bring out to drag race fights are the NSX and the pair of turbo-V6 Type-S vehicles, the remaining Acura products are just knives.

fiatlux

Unfortunately from a performance and power perspective, the pair of Type S cars might as well be 22LR pea shooters.

oonowindoo

When a 2.5T 4 bangers with 290hp from KIA can pull on the V6TT with 350hp in a roll race, i would not call it a gun.

Maybe a long ass sword at best.

Back to Integra: to this day, i am still confused as why Acura didnt drop the Accord 2.0T in the Integra. It will be justified even if they increase a few grand more from the 37k.

fiatlux

My guess is because they need to save the 2.0T for the ITS. Otherwise what would they put in the ITS? God forbid they give the the CTR powertrain (actually I bet Acura would love to but Honda won't let them).

F23A4

Honestly, I think the IL…I mean…”Integra” is DOA, particularly as the half assed effort resulted in a stillborn product.

They should have kept the CTR abroad, made the Accord’s 2.0T the base Integra motor and then transplanted the new CTR powertrain into and Integra Type R/S. Maybe this would have brought some credibility back to the brand.

F23A4

iforyou

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May be it's on Acura, but I think the main issue here is that Acura is trying to market the Integra as an alternative to the likes of Audi A3 and A220. For whatever reasons, people are comparing the Integra with the likes of GTI, Jetta GLI, Elantra N, Civic Si, etc. I guess this shows how poor Acura marketing is (and has always been). The other brands don't have this issue (ie people don't compare the A3 to the Jetta GLI) and this is something Acura needs to address.

fiatlux

I still think they're going to sell the base and A-Spec CVT cars as quickly as they can pump them out. As a premium / entry-level luxury car it checks a lot of boxes, at a relatively low price point. $31K today was less than $20K back in 2004. By most measures, the Integra is a hell of a value. It's just not a good value if you're seeking something with more performance or that fun-to-drive factor. The smiles-per-dollar ratio is quite low, at least for me on my test drive.

biker

The 2006 TSX with NAV, which is the closest match to the Integra of today, had a sticker of $31K in 2006.

SamDoe1

It's likely coming in the ITS. The downside is that'll be even more expensive and now knocking at the door of cars like the S3 and A35 AMG in terms of price, both of which will blow its doors off yet again. I don't think you'll see the CTR drivetrain in one of these, the cost would be astronomical.

Yup. It's that kind of thrill. (TM)

They're trying to sell it as a luxury performance car especially when all of their marketing materials include references to the old Integra and most of the pics are of the ITR and not whatever base model. Compared to the performance car competition, it falls flat on its face. Audi and MB don't make any claims or suggestions of sporting ability until you get to the S3/RS3 and the AMG models which makes a whole lot of sense. They market the base models as entry level luxury and, to that end, they're great and so are the lower trim Integras.

oonowindoo

If Acura wants the buyers to take the Integra seriously (they had 1 shot, hyped it up and under-deliver again like TLX-S), Acura themselves have to take it more seriously.

Everyone and their moms have a 2.0T. Only Acura seems to be holding on to it like some kind of precious metal.


They could simply give Integra 6mt the 2.0T with 250hp and give the ITS the same power as CTR. That is what other luxury manuf. are doing.
There are many ways to play the # game to differentiate each models within the same lineup.

F23A4

Assuming the CTR will come in at the $40k mark, an Integra counterpart could be in the $46-48k range, which isnt too terrible. Problem is, it would likely outperform the TLX-S but cost thousands less AND have an enthusiast coveted 6MT. (Pretty much relegates the TLX-S to executive saloon service....which it largely is anyway.)

fiatlux

You hit on a good point; in order to protect the "heirarchy", the relatively low performance envelope of the TLX Type S will likely prevent the Integra Type S from being what it can be. Bummer.

I hope I'm wrong; I would be pleasantly surprised if the ITS got the 2.0T from the CTR, but I'm expecting it to get the detuned 2.0T from the Accord/TLX/RDX. In all honesty though, if you're looking to tune the car I don't think it really matters much which 2.0T it has. Even with the lower output one, a Stage 2 tune will produce way more power and torque than can be reasonably put down in a FWD car. All that is to say, if they replace the 1.5T with either of the 2.0Ts and keep it under $45K, I'll be first in line to buy it (at sticker of course).

F23A4

True, and I thought about how well my A-Spec runs with a Phearable stage 3. I can imagine how well a MUCH lighter ITS would perform with that setup. With the Accord’s 2.0T, I can’t foresee it breaching the $40k mark by much if at all. (I told my sales contact to keep posted on Type S developments.)

ELIN

By executive saloon did you mean car with large interior? We both know it's challenged in that regard.

Everytime I get takeout for the family, I can't even fit a bag behind the driver's seat. I either have to walk around to the other side or stick it in the trunk.

Edward'TLS

It is well known that Honda/Acura products are not drag race kings, and that Honda/Acura are not pursuing horsepower wars.

So when Honda/Acura sold more than 1.3 millions vehicles last year, it, all the more, demonstrates that Honda/Acura customers are more than satisfy with mere knives and pea shooters. Being the best of the bests in drag races and having the highest hp figure in the class, have zero bearing for customers purchasing Honda/Acura vehicles.

Also, it seems that Honda/Acura have zero interest in winning the hearts of the negligible volume of die hard fans who buy only the quickest drag-race and the highest hp vehicles.

iforyou

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To be fair to the Integra, it is undoubtedly the slowest in a drag race, but it also seems to be very fun to drive, if not downright the most fun to drive out of the likes of GTI, A3, A220, 228i, GLI, Elantra N, etc. This is based on the many reviews out there.

The likes of the Audi S3 and A35 pretty much start at $45k and go to $55k. I think if Acura were to make an integra type s, it will likely have the 2.0T from the Accord or TLX, so 252 or 272hp. Considering the price premium from the Accord 1.5T sport to 2.0T sport is about $4k and that's also with several additional features for the 2.0T sport, I would think the jump for the Integra Type S will be about $6k on top of the $35.8k Integra A spec Tech to factor in the suspension and brake changes. We will probably be looking at $42k fully loaded. That will likely be some $10k less than a similarly equipped S3 or A35. That's also gonna be $10k less than the tlx type s to avoid any internal competition (plus no awd).

The CTR will likely be in the same price range too. So it will be up to the individual whether you want a tracked focused type r, or a more luxury oriented integra Type S with 10AT optional.

iforyou

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How well does your a spec run with the phearable tune? I almost got a tune from them for my fk8 but then I ended up selling the car.

Agreed that I can't see ITS being much more than $40k. It will blow the doors off similarly equipped A3 and A220 at about the same price.

fiatlux

The A3, A220, and 228i I would agree with because those cars have no sporting pretensions whatsoever. However, I doubt it would be more fun to drive than the Elantra N. I haven't had a chance to drive the Elantra N, but I have driven the Veloster N and I can say without a doubt that it's in a whole different league when it comes to driving enjoyment compared to the Integra. As I said in my earlier thoughts after my test drive, the Integra just doesn't feel special or particularly fun to drive. I had much more fun driving the screaming K20s from the RSX-S and FA5/FG2 Si than the Integra. Truth be told if they offered this car with the old NA K20Z1/3 and 6MT, I would buy it at the current price. Doesn't matter to me that it's slower; it would make the car feel special, because honestly nothing else about the car does.

F23A4

The tune completely transformed the performance of my A-Spec, which I found very lacking in OEM form particularly when coming from my old 3.5 PAWS. (A current gen Maxima caught the business end of my tune when he tried to toy with me today; I literally drove around him, which is something I definitely couldn’t do with a stock tune.)

04WDPSeDaN

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Honda sold 1.4 million vehicles in 2021, while Acura (which is the brand at hand) sold 157,408. In perspective, BMW and Mercedes sold nearly a million more than America Honda. The reality of it is, Acura's marketing demonstrates these vehicles, including base models, to be these high performance vehicles. The definition of luxury isn't Acura either, no offense. A fully loaded MDX is the closest thing to real luxury and that's my opinion. Another member in the TLX section stated that .000001 % of vehicle owners don't keep their vehicles for 10 years, well that's not true either as many are now keeping their vehicles much longer. Average of 8 to 9 years. I get it if you want to defend the brand, just don't be blind to the fact of what the brand advertises and the reality of it all. Acura was known as a reliable, affordable brand which had competitive performance for it's time. I love my TL and I will eventually own an NSX ( I can buy one right now ) this isn't the brand we all once had such admiration for. People move on and buy other brand, while others stay brand loyal. Nothing wrong with that.

Just my two cents. Have a great Sunday.

biker

They each sold about 330K vehicles in 2021 in the US.

Legend2TL

Global 2020 auto sales have #8 Honda ~4.3M, #10 MB ~2.8M, #12 BMW ~2.3M

https://www.drive.com.au/news/car-br...-global-sales/

oonowindoo

Yah that was the one of the misleading thing about Acura i read in a while Since SSFTSX stopped posting.
Honda is doing fine. Acura, not so much.

04WDPSeDaN

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Honda will be just fine, I just wonder about Acura's future. Makes you wonder what really happened to SSFTSX