SuperHandlingTL

You can have the same basic design with higher torque limits. The V6t will get a beefed up 10AT. If you wanna see a design with multiple torque limits just look at how many variants there are of the ZF 8AT. There’s about 10 variants based on torque loads.

alpha0

SH-AWD differential limits will be limiting factor rather than capacity of 10 AT (atleast that is what i get from users who drove both fwd and shawd RDX and feel that Acura is reducing power in lower gears to protect shawd). 10AT has 3.25 or so gear ratio in second gear and 2+ in third gear, if they can get full torque (let's assume 350 lb-ft for V6T at 1600 rpm), it will be lot of torque after multiplication in seond and third gears and if Acura wants to transfer 50% or more of it to rear wheels, it will need a lot of beefing up of clutch plates of sh-awd.

SuperHandlingTL

The newest version of SH-AWD has a beefed up differential to handle additional torque loads. I remember hearing about this during the interview with the RDX’s LPL. The 3.0t will get a special version of SH-AWD with a return to a carbon driveshaft and an even beefier rear diff. Honda has implemented itorque limited software in lower gears since the 3G TL to reduce and/or eliminate torque steer and to protect the drive line.

TVL65

Will NEVER happen with Acura

MIKEYDRED

Thanks, I know your info is legit and BGR has a good track record as well. So MDX gets updated J30 I can live with that also allows it to be sold in other parts of the world that have taxes on displacement. Logic points to some serious upgrades on the performance end sounds like Acura is just looking for the right balance Type S may not be the fastest but may be the best overall balqnce in class if executed well. If history repeats itself that is whaat put Acura on the map in the first place.

MIKEYDRED

After reading your post again, that is lot more power to extract out of the J30 almost 100hp over the current form how can they do that without turbo? It makes more sense to to just detuned the turbo like I said before. Or are you suggesting that the regular MDX will be serial hybrid in non Type S form?

SuperHandlingTL

The J30 will be in the base MDX which is a hybrid. The 300+hp is the combined rating. The 3.0 turbo V6 isn’t a J-Series.

MIKEYDRED

Yes, understand that but this is the first time I am hearing the MDX is getting a hybrid as a base engine doesnt sound right but time will tell. I guess this assumed J30 will also be for bigger Honda Honda vechicles. Also does that mean no more 3 motor sport hybrid for the next generation MDX or base model becomes essentially sport hybrid with single motor possibly? Not everyone wants hybrid they still need a regular versions IMO

ZipSpeed

If what SuperHandlingTL say is true, my guess will be two electric engines at the rear with no more electric engine attached to transmission to save on cost. J30 produces ~250hp with the rear engines at ~40hp a piece = >300hp total system power. Type-S models are rumored to get a 48V mild hybrid system as well so I won't be surprised if Acura is looking to eventually hybridize its entire lineup.

zenally

I'm glad they are bringing the sexiness back! I think I'll upgrade to it from my 2003 TL. I cant wait to get it if it looks like this

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Curious3GTL

I was shocked to learn today that it's already available for lease.

TVL65

I read an article a few days ago, it was an interview posted early this month and Acura rep said the engineers have not decided on what engine to use yet. If true you won't see a Type S until much later this year or possibly early next year.

Midnight Mystery

Now that sounds about right!

CollinR4

Given all the mules we've seen testing, I'm hopeful they aren't telling many people specifics to keep it under wraps.

TVL65

I'm just hoping they know what they're doing and won't screw it up.

Speed_Racer

I love all the rumor talk here. Someone said 2021 production was starting already. Now they don't know what engine to use. . .lol. . Just wait until they announce it. Speculation is like predicting an earthquake. You can throw 50 guesses up hoping something sticks and then you can say I was right when something hits! SuperHandlingTL may sound knowledgeable but he said with certainty that the new generation model is coming out as a 2020 a while back. We're all guessing. No one knows for sure what they're doing. I'm just hoping it's not diluted like I'm expecting. . .

BreezyTL

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I heard they shit canned the whole project.

MIKEYDRED

SuperHandling is also a member on TOV and he does have good sources. Many have already said the recent quality controls have caused delays on Honda products. The V6T I always heard late 2020 so wouldn't be off target at all although I am sure they are doing further testing to make sure it is ready for primetime. I expect the base model will be in showrooms by early spring the powertrain is already in production so all that left is the final testing for aero etc. then reveal. Lastly I am sure the AA integration with the true pad touch has added to some unexpected delays.

ZipSpeed

Here's hoping Honda/Acura has stepped up their QC. They desperately need to regain the mindshare when it comes to QC. They can't ride the coattails of "legendary Honda quality" forever seeing that people have already left the brand for something else when they realized there was nothing legendary about it. That said, you would think the 2.0T TLX should be relatively free of problems, at least in the major areas. The 2.0T and 10AT has been out on a number of different Honda products, and I haven't seen much in regards to any major powertrain issues. The infotainment issues on the RDX seems to be largely mitigated in a recent update. As for the Type-S, I personally wouldn't touch the vehicle at least until the mid-cycle refresh.

TVL65

Rumor Talk? It was an actual interview with an Acura developer.

ZipSpeed

Would you be able to share this article you read?

TVL65

It's gone. It was posted at Acura Facebook page early last week, A few hours later it was removed. I guess somebody pulled it.

BGR

Delay was also due to the e turbo upgrade from Garrett.

He's where I get vast majority of my info as well. His contact drove the 2.0T last week in camo and very impressed based on initial drive. Interior is improved even over the RDX and camo lines suggest it sticks to the concept.

BGR

This one? I pulled one I posted in that group last week.

https://www.wardsauto.com/technology...ew-life-sedans

jjsC5

That is basically impossible to believe for a vehicle that will be out in the next 12 months. And keep in mind that the Japanese are famous for not allowing any information to get out that they don’t want out...which is darn little.

TVL65

Yup thats it.

someguy11

Uhh... I’m pretty sure Acura would have no reason to build a mule, then test it against an S4 and C43, if they have not decided (or at least be 99% certain) on an engine and rest of the powertrain. You don’t build one-off engines and cars for fun. A mule should mean your design is 80-90% of the way to final.

Obvious lying is obvious. I suppose a couple good reasons to keep a secret are to save it for a big press release or keep a lid on it because it’s embarrassing. Either that or the catastrophic case is their mules came nowhere close their competition or goals, so someone actually sent engineering back to the drawing board. Starting to feel bad for people actually waiting for this car... or a single specification.

ACCURATEin

lol oh noez.

BGR

LOL...Your paragraphs kind of contradict each other. And a mule is not 80-90% close to production. A mule doesn't even test with the current camo design. We should feel bad for you that you're not waiting for the car, but somehow manage to 'accidentally' click on this thread...

BEAR-AvHistory

It does make to great "leaked" publicity shots to enhance the cars image before there is a car. Something like all the race car livery & NSX cars in the current TLX commercial series.

Jiten Patel

So which Auto Show can we expect the car to debut or be teased? There's a Toronto International Auto Show in Feb.

Tony Pac

I highly doubt it. Toronto and Montreal auto-shows aren't big enough. Montreal auto-show is this coming weekend, I will let you know if I see the new TLX

I know in fact there will be PMC edition MDX, I saw on instagram.

MSZ

We won't see anything at the Canadian shows for obvious reasons. I don't think the car is ready for the Chicago show, so I'm guessing they would bring the TLX to the NY show in April.

BGR

Unless they do their own private showing most likely Chicago. The MDX comes out this summer so they dont have many choices at this point.

Tony Pac

Acura c'mon!

This is ridiculous. We are waiting for a year now lol

F23A4

As I indicated in the Sales thread, getting the MDX right AND out as soon as possible is the top priority! .......besides, the lease on my 17 is coming due in 11 months.

Mak P

I'm patiently waiting cause like many, I'll admit I'm going to be out if I'm not impressed

But not into an Audi 🤨

someguy11

U mad bro? For calling out a manufacturer for using Jedi mind tricks? I didn't accidentally stumble on this thread. I follow it because, like others, I'm interested in the massive amount of speculation and lack of any specifications on this car, supposedly being released late in 2020 as a 2021 model. That would be an amazing feat if they haven't picked an engine yet.

This whole thread has devolved into talking about nothing. It's like Speed_Racer said: "I love all the rumor talk here. Someone said 2021 production was starting already. Now they don't know what engine to use. . .lol." No one seems to know anything. All we've seen is silver tongue chatter from executives, a concept body and a few mules driving around, which wouldn't have been made if they weren't benchmarking a likely engine/powertrain. Then I went on to explain why Acura might be using all these smoke and mirrors - either production delays or mules underperformed. Not sure if you know what contradiction means? They make mules to test something, not for fun.

Whatever the case, this doesn't look good. In fact, it looks like Acura is putting itself right back in the same boat it was in launching the 1G TLX. They had already ceased the TSX and TL and needed a replacement sedan, so it was released with issues. This time around, if they really don't have an engine yet, they will have to choose between rushing a new 2G out or carrying over the 1G MMR for an unprecedented 4th straight year, which would be stunning.

I'm neither an optimist or a pessimist. I'm a realist. I don't have a dog in the fight. I would actually reconsider Acura if they do something amazing. But right now, based on the facts (lack of any details), it's fair to say this isn't shaping up to be a good launch. How long does it take IIHS, NHTSA, EPA and others to test new cars before they are sold? Or car mags to publish a list of new releases? You can already build and/or reserve your 2020 Corvette and your 2021 Mach-E. But the new 2021 TLX doesn't have an engine yet? Don't be so naive to believe everything you read or gullible to believe Acura can meet ridiculous expectations.

Tony Pac

The delay in the new TLX could be for the following reasons:

1. Acura is conducting more tests to avoid initial new car issues.
2. It's not meeting their expectations. It's not competitive enough compared to the Germans. For example, the HP is low, doesn't handle handle well or doesn't look luxury enough.
3. They are just F****** around with us lol! There is no new TLX this year.

But all jokes aside, the initial leaked pics from the RDX was done in purpose. They gave us a sneak peak of the product.Now just sit back and wait. It's sucks but I hope Acura doesn't delay the product to the point that people lose interest and move on to other brands.

BGR

I’m not mad at all. People need to understand the difference between direct quotations from an article and speculation from the writer. Those are two different things…. If you go back and read the article, it has both which tells you what direct quotes are and which are conclusions the writer attempted to come to based on the lack of information provided by the interviewee.

Of course the damn thing has an engine. It’s a 3.0T and it will be out this year. If you know they make mules to test something, then you’re smart enough to realize the quad exhaust mule you saw last year had an engine in it I’m sure. Take your own advice and don't believe everything you read. As I've mentioned before, my source isn't from these articles.