Is everyone ready for the Type S Concept? (Reveal Pics Page 5)
#561
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All this power, and the majority of us can't even use all of it during day-to-day driving! That Corolla and M340i is going to move at the same speeds when you're stuck in gridlock traffic for hours. Hell, the city I live in doesn't even have a track, drag strip, or anything of that kind where I can have fun safely. Once upon a time, my first turbo'd vehicle was a 2006 Forester XT and I thought that thing was fast with "only" 230hp/235lb-ft. Sure, it might be a dick measurement contest for some, but if the Type-S comes back between 350 to 400 hp, I'd be reasonably happy. For those that want more, good thing there's lots of other choices.
#562
6 Forward 1 Back
This is what I've been trying to tell these dreamers. I briefly went on a hunt for other 400hp sedans and found this C&D article from 2017. Some aren't sedans. Those that are in 2017 pricing (so add inflation):
XTS V - $65k
M3/M4 - $65k
Q70 - $64k
K900 (I didn't know they still made these) - $62k
CTS V - $61k
ATS V - $61k
Continental (no one is driving this for speed/performance) - $60k
G80 (wow, sharp looking car) - $55k
Q56/Q60 Red Sport - $49k
SS (no longer made, really too bad) - $48k
MKZ (not a sports car) - $43k
Charger Hellcat - currently $70k
Power and performance are proportional to price. If Acura can't sell a luxurious, loaded 377hp RLX SH-AWD sport hybrid that does 0-60 in 4.9sec for $62k, what makes anyone think they will sell a less luxurious, slightly faster, smaller TLX Type S for slightly less?
XTS V - $65k
M3/M4 - $65k
Q70 - $64k
K900 (I didn't know they still made these) - $62k
CTS V - $61k
ATS V - $61k
Continental (no one is driving this for speed/performance) - $60k
G80 (wow, sharp looking car) - $55k
Q56/Q60 Red Sport - $49k
SS (no longer made, really too bad) - $48k
MKZ (not a sports car) - $43k
Charger Hellcat - currently $70k
Power and performance are proportional to price. If Acura can't sell a luxurious, loaded 377hp RLX SH-AWD sport hybrid that does 0-60 in 4.9sec for $62k, what makes anyone think they will sell a less luxurious, slightly faster, smaller TLX Type S for slightly less?
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#563
That is very conservative for a modern day turbo that is less than 120 hp/L. Like I said before and others have said as well, why bother with a Type S with those numbers. The goal post have moved drastically since 2008 when Acura last tried to play in this game. Back the natural aspirated V6 were making 320 Mazda so a Type S at 286 or so didnt seem to far off, but with the performance gains with turbos they need to aim much higher.
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Actually, the numbers you presented are consistent with the reported HP numbers. Trap speed is more correlated to HP and weight than the quarter time, which is dependent on traction, launch, shifts, etc. 112mph for 400bhp, 111 mph for 365bhp, 109mph for 320bhp sounds about right. The M340 is definitely grossly underrated which is why the 114mph trap speed isn't that surprising.
#566
You're expecting something in the low 300hp for a Type S with a brand new TT engine. Come on. That would be an epic fail. The previous 3.7L made 310hp. This thing better push 400hp at least.
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#567
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lets hope so, Acura is typically conservative with HP in their engines, they are not likely to do something crazy with HP, but we shall see
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There are four lights!
Rumor has it that a mild hybrid will also be part of the 3.0TT so seeing something close to 400hp isn’t that far fetched.
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The S55 engine on the BMW M3 makes “only” north of 400hp from a 3.0TT. Acura is done with the 3.5 J series engines so don’t expect to see a turbo’d version of that engine.
Rumor has it that a mild hybrid will also be part of the 3.0TT so seeing something close to 400hp isn’t that far fetched.
Rumor has it that a mild hybrid will also be part of the 3.0TT so seeing something close to 400hp isn’t that far fetched.
The M340 is already a sub 4 second low 12 second car.
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#573
There are four lights!
It won’t have M3 like numbers when the M340i is already in the 400ish range which the Type-S will compete with. As Bear mentioned, the new M3 coming out will be in excess of 500hp. If Acura ever decides to go bonkers with a M3 competitor, that would be the Type-R.
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#575
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acura will not be competing with M3, its a different league. If they make them too expensive, no one will buy them, it has to be reasonably priced to sell
#576
There are four lights!
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#577
Suzuka Master
So.... who will be the first to engine swap this into a 3G
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#578
Interesting to read about the significant upgrade to the Genesis G70 during the likely refresh with their new Theta and Lambda III engines. Entry-level engine for the G70 being upgraded from 2.0T 252/260 to 2.5T 290/310 with an 8-speed wet dual-clutch transmission. Going to make that quite the value proposition. Less information on the bigger 3.5TT engine but I would expect a decent bump over the 365/376 of the 3.3TT in the current G70. Competition like this will only give buyers improved options.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...70-new-engine/
Here's to hoping the new TLX is ready to compete.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...70-new-engine/
Here's to hoping the new TLX is ready to compete.
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I think that we will be seeing a 2.0T from the RDX and Type R on the new TLX on all the models except for the Type S. It will be refined from the previous 3 years of it's service. Most likely mated to a Dual Clutch and with this config it will most likely pull 300HP. I think the 3.0TT will be seen only on the Type S probably with an Automatic and Manual config?
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https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?...tem_id=1404694
"We are expecting to see production 2021 TLXs hitting showrooms by the late Spring/early Summer time frame, with the hot Type S version to follow probably later in the Fall."
"We are expecting to see production 2021 TLXs hitting showrooms by the late Spring/early Summer time frame, with the hot Type S version to follow probably later in the Fall."
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Will it run faster around the ring than the type R?
I think that's how they should debut the type S. In car video of it going around the track[nurburgring], driver flicks the dial selector hard right to track mode, maybe a minute or so of it rolling around, then the sleeve flings off of the car and POP. [audience and internet stare at the production ready version in amaze because it somehow ended up looking even better than the blue concept]
I think that's how they should debut the type S. In car video of it going around the track[nurburgring], driver flicks the dial selector hard right to track mode, maybe a minute or so of it rolling around, then the sleeve flings off of the car and POP. [audience and internet stare at the production ready version in amaze because it somehow ended up looking even better than the blue concept]
![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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#589
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#590
270hp would be a huge downgrade! I don't think that would even sell if the TL and TLX of previous gen surpassed 270HP.
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#593
350 is about the top that I would expect as well. If I was to bet I would take the under. They are going to have a type S variant for all models going forward and I don't expect the TLX/RDX to push close to 400Hp. Going up over 350 will not pull that many Acura buyers in and may reduce demand if the price gets too far above the next model below it. When you get into BMW/Audi pricing you get into that range where the badge matters to a lot of people. Acura's best selling TL/TLX was where they balanced price/styling/performance/low maintenance costs and included a lot of options standard that cost extra on other brands. I still don't get how a mid level civic has things like remote start standard and in the TLX it's an extra cost even on models that top 40K. Seems for some reason a lot of desirable features flow from the bottom models up at honda/acura rather than from the top down. Like AA/Carplay in the civic 2 years before the TLX.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/
On that note, as soon as the new M3/4 comes out with 500+ hp, expect the M40i (the Type-S competitor) to stop being sandbagged and have at least 400hp. If the TLX Type-S makes 335hp, it'll sell about as well as the TLX PMC does.
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#598
It's advertised as 335, but everyone who buys it (i.e. enthusiasts) knows that it's really pushing out closer to 400hp. C&D put one on the dyno and found that it makes 339hp AT THE WHEELS. It's very likely that they had to underrate it because BMW is underrating the same engine in its M40i models so that it doesn't encroach on the BMW M2, which is advertised at 405hp, or the M4 at 425hp.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/
On that note, as soon as the new M3/4 comes out with 500+ hp, expect the M40i (the Type-S competitor) to stop being sandbagged and have at least 400hp. If the TLX Type-S makes 335hp, it'll sell about as well as the TLX PMC does.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/
On that note, as soon as the new M3/4 comes out with 500+ hp, expect the M40i (the Type-S competitor) to stop being sandbagged and have at least 400hp. If the TLX Type-S makes 335hp, it'll sell about as well as the TLX PMC does.
”Ultimately, the M340i ripped off a 3.8-second zero-to-60-mph sprint and tore through the quarter-mile in 12.3 seconds at 115 mph. If you are wondering, those times are on pace with the last-generation M3.”
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#599
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I think chasing the Germans will get Acura nowhere in terms of sales. The M340i is going above and beyond what this segment offers and Acura would be wise not to case the outlier. If the turbo 6 can push out numbers similar to Infiniti, Genesis and Kia it will be enough for most buyers. I mean when is 0-60 in 4.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.5 not enough for 95% of the buyers?
The 2.0T is going to be the volume seller. I am much more interested in a 2.0T SH-AWD for a daily. Turbo 6 is just overkill for me.
PS: I daily a 07 CLS550 and it's definitely overkill for commutes and 95% of the driving done on the weekends.
The 2.0T is going to be the volume seller. I am much more interested in a 2.0T SH-AWD for a daily. Turbo 6 is just overkill for me.
PS: I daily a 07 CLS550 and it's definitely overkill for commutes and 95% of the driving done on the weekends.