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Well lets see, the Q50 and Q60 have the 3.0L TT Engine that puts out 400HP and 350TQ. Normally honda/acura stay conservative but we can see the new direction that they are going in! We can hope that some guy in a suit decided "we need to beat infiniti with their 400HP/350TQ, so give it 410HP and 350+TQ."
Also the BMW M engines are going to be fundamentally different to compare with since they are Inline 6's and not V6's. And due to acura's patents we have a good idea that it's 2 turbochargers (1 per bank) and using newly designed heads that are more efficient vs the current J-series.
6MT sounds like false hope after everything acura has done, however the 2019 accord has 6MT so we can hope the TLX 2nd gen will get it. I know, Acura didn't do it for the 1G TLX and the Accord had 6MT option but it sounds like acura is really embracing their performance side and might offer it, plus 6MT rates have increased from 2017 to 2019 thus far!
From a car collector perspective, in an Era when almost all automakers are going away from 6MT to DCT transmissions it'd be pretty awesome to have a 6MT car. Look at folks fighting and converting auto TL's into 6MT's from 2004-2008, almost a DECADE AGO! They are spending the money on a 10+ year old car for the joy of rowing through gears.
Turbos depend on the model. The M-3/4 has twin turbos & the M340 a single twin scroll turbo. Despite being an in line 6 with a single cylinder head they have two 3 cylinder banks that the turbos feed. Bank 1 Cylinders 123 is at the front toward the radiator & Bank 2 cylinders 456 is at the back of the engine. Manifolding is divided & each bank has its own O2 sensor. Engine logging & trouble codes are given by bank number.
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I forgot about the leaked images from the RDX headunit. It does appear that it is the dumbed down version of the Concept but not the Type S model so who knows. The concept with it's larger wheels, lower body work and agressive front/rear bumpers just looks so much better. I never understood how much more it would cost Acura to do some of these things from the concept into production, especially since they're already tooling it all for a new generation. Why not tool it to duplicate the concept exactly?
I forgot about the leaked images from the RDX headunit. It does appear that it is the dumbed down version of the Concept but not the Type S model so who knows. The concept with it's larger wheels, lower body work and agressive front/rear bumpers just looks so much better. I never understood how much more it would cost Acura to do some of these things from the concept into production, especially since they're already tooling it all for a new generation. Why not tool it to duplicate the concept exactly?
The grey car is the base 2.0t. The concept is of course the Type-S and the production model will only change to a slightly smaller set of wheels, slightly smaller brakes (still Brembo’s), standard sized side mirrors, the side window trim and B-pillar will be more like the gray car and the bumpers will have slightly less hard lines.
It's definitely going to be a quick acura regardless because our rdx is a rocket with the turbo 4. I'm surprised I haven't received a speeding ticket yet. A turbo 6 will feel amazing, and then the hondata reflash which will probably yield 30-40 moar horsepowers.
My personal opinion, I think you've been stuck on Acura for a long time and hype it up and there's nothing wrong with that. I know it's apples to oranges, but if in theory, hondata was able to tune either version of the next TLX (base and or type-s) for the cost and to gain 30-40 hp is terrible especially when you compare that to other reflash tunes. Gaining 30-40 more is great and i'm sure there will be some aftermarket support, eventually. You and I have the worse $$ vs performance TL. For what I've spent to gain 100+ hp cost me less than 1/8th of that to reflash tune my X3 and get roughly the same numbers. Power and how it feels is all relevant to it's owner. I personally don't think my TL or X3 is fast, quick sure.
Originally Posted by UKwrath33
I'd go ape sh!t if we got 410. Absolutely ape sh!t. One can dream! But it'll probably be between 360 and 380. I think a true 100hp jump from the last Type S would be a fair jump.
Again, I wouldn't spend all my focus on numbers, Most manufactures now "under rate" their numbers. I'm fairly certain they will do the same with the type-s.
Originally Posted by SuperHandlingTL
The grey car is the base 2.0t. The concept is of course the Type-S and the production model will only change to a slightly smaller set of wheels, slightly smaller brakes (still Brembo’s), standard sized side mirrors, the side window trim and B-pillar will be more like the gray car and the bumpers will have slightly less hard lines.
Are you sure 100% it's the base model?
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Again, I wouldn't spend all my focus on numbers, Most manufactures now "under rate" their numbers. I'm fairly certain they will do the same with the type-s.
Yes and no. No one here wants, and no competitor cares, if this Type S gets advertised at 330hp but really it's more like 375hp. For one, no matter what a few might think, the majority treat it as a d**k measuring contest and want bigger numbers. Acura is ALWAYS rocking smaller hp numbers for as long as I can remember. The 08 type s had 286 when the rest of the competition was 300 to 330 and then the 4G TL had 290 or 305 when the competition started pushing 400 and the TLX never built on it. Acura, even if just for the sake of showing off, needs to come out with bigger HP numbers to show the world they're serious. I will 10000% be disappointed if it's in the low 300s. Id rather it advertise 375 and be 375 or whatever than advertise 330 and really be 375.
Second, even though a lot of the competition does it, they do it with already bigger numbers. They may advertise 380 and really be at 415. Acura would, at that point, be behind. Again, this is all assumption because maybe they come out with 390hp out of the gate or something awesome. But ultimately, I'm not one who'd be happy about an under rated and low rated vehicle after all these years of waiting. If that 410hp sticker above is even remotely real, itd be a billion times cooler than getting a 350hp rated car that secretly does 410hp, in my opinion.
I forgot about the leaked images from the RDX headunit. It does appear that it is the dumbed down version of the Concept but not the Type S model so who knows. The concept with it's larger wheels, lower body work and agressive front/rear bumpers just looks so much better. I never understood how much more it would cost Acura to do some of these things from the concept into production, especially since they're already tooling it all for a new generation. Why not tool it to duplicate the concept exactly?
If you really pay attention to both pictures, they are very similar. However, the leaked image from the RDX is clearly a normal TLX and the new blue one is the Type S. I believe we will see the standard 2.0 or 3.0 early next year but the Type S will be summer/fall 2020. Let's be patient and I am sure Acura is cooking something big. The 2019 RDX proofed that Acura is making the right decisions. I believe by 2021 Acura will have a beautiful lineup of vehicles.
RDX (already updated)
TLX standard (in progress)
TLX TYPE S (in progress)
MDX (in progress)
RLX (not sure)
ILX (minor positive changes but not sure if Acura will update it like RDX, MDX and TLX)
Yes and no. No one here wants, and no competitor cares, if this Type S gets advertised at 330hp but really it's more like 375hp. For one, no matter what a few might think, the majority treat it as a d**k measuring contest and want bigger numbers. Acura is ALWAYS rocking smaller hp numbers for as long as I can remember. The 08 type s had 286 when the rest of the competition was 300 to 330 and then the 4G TL had 290 or 305 when the competition started pushing 400 and the TLX never built on it. Acura, even if just for the sake of showing off, needs to come out with bigger HP numbers to show the world they're serious. I will 10000% be disappointed if it's in the low 300s. Id rather it advertise 375 and be 375 or whatever than advertise 330 and really be 375.
Second, even though a lot of the competition does it, they do it with already bigger numbers. They may advertise 380 and really be at 415. Acura would, at that point, be behind. Again, this is all assumption because maybe they come out with 390hp out of the gate or something awesome. But ultimately, I'm not one who'd be happy about an under rated and low rated vehicle after all these years of waiting. If that 410hp sticker above is even remotely real, itd be a billion times cooler than getting a 350hp rated car that secretly does 410hp, in my opinion.
Think the thing is you don't want is for a car rated at 410BHP getting dumped by one rated at 385BHP. Its all about how they go & once released within a month everyone who is interested will know how quick the car is. The Infiniti Red is already in that position with there 400bhp engines.
Q50 RED 400BHP
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.5 sec Zero to 140 mph: 22.6 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.2 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 112 mph
KIA Stinger 365BHP
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.6 sec Zero to 140 mph: 22.4 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 111 mph
BMW 440 320BHP
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec Zero to 130 mph: 19.2 sec Zero to 150 mph: 28.8 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109 mph
New 382BHP 340 is expected to be 0-60 in sub 4.2 sec
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I do like the timing of when the TLX Type S is supposed to come out - 2 years. Add another 1 year for them to sort out the bugs and we will be looking into 3 years. Perfect timing for me as I just got my 2018 Aspec last year. However, 3 years is long enough for the other competition to bring out more performance for our money. Hopefully the powertrain of the new Type S will deliver at the right time. Timing is everything.
i was trying to hold onto my 08 type s until 2023 but i may have to let mine go for the 2nd production year of this type s. it's got me so much more pumped than i would have thought, even with it only coming in an automatic. ugh, can't wait for final specs and to see one in person late next year. i haven't been this excited about acura since 2008 when i bought my 6mt
Auto News, as of two days ago, is reporting that Acura is moving to a five vehicle lineup, with the RLX being discontinued at some point: 2 sedans, 2 SUVs, 1 NSX as the halo. The news was buried in an article about the Type S.
I don't think many will miss the RLX given its poor sales.
Originally Posted by Tony Pac
If you really pay attention to both pictures, they are very similar. However, the leaked image from the RDX is clearly a normal TLX and the new blue one is the Type S. I believe we will see the standard 2.0 or 3.0 early next year but the Type S will be summer/fall 2020. Let's be patient and I am sure Acura is cooking something big. The 2019 RDX proofed that Acura is making the right decisions. I believe by 2021 Acura will have a beautiful lineup of vehicles.
RDX (already updated)
TLX standard (in progress)
TLX TYPE S (in progress)
MDX (in progress)
RLX (not sure)
ILX (minor positive changes but not sure if Acura will update it like RDX, MDX and TLX)
Auto News, as of two days ago, is reporting that Acura is moving to a five vehicle lineup, with the RLX being discontinued at some point: 2 sedans, 2 SUVs, 1 NSX as the halo. The news was buried in an article about the Type S.
I don't think many will miss the RLX given its poor sales.
The only reason the RLX doesn't sell is because it's too expensive.
Ugh - I'm frustrated at not seeing updates + specs + actual photos yet today! When I google for new news about the Type S.
But, here is what Acura's website says specifically about dates:
Acura returns to Monterey Car Week, one of the world's top gatherings of automotive and motorsports enthusiasts, to debut the Type S Concept. Following its world premiere at a private Acura reception Thursday, August 15, the Acura Type S Concept will publicly debut on Friday, August 16 at The Quail, a Motorsports Gathering. It will then be showcased at the historic Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance Concept Lawn on Sunday, August 18.
Ugh - I'm frustrated at not seeing updates + specs + actual photos yet today! When I google for new news about the Type S.
But, here is what Acura's website says specifically about dates:
Acura returns to Monterey Car Week, one of the world's top gatherings of automotive and motorsports enthusiasts, to debut the Type S Concept. Following its world premiere at a private Acura reception Thursday, August 15, the Acura Type S Concept will publicly debut on Friday, August 16 at The Quail, a Motorsports Gathering. It will then be showcased at the historic Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance Concept Lawn on Sunday, August 18.
there aren't really any updates coming, they're just showing the blue concept car that is in all the videos and pictures that were leaked ahead of time. the specs, real production pics, etc won't come for a few more months i'm guessing. i've heard that the tlx won't be available until the later half of 2020 with the type s coming 6 months or so after that.
there aren't really any updates coming, they're just showing the blue concept car that is in all the videos and pictures that were leaked ahead of time. the specs, real production pics, etc won't come for a few more months i'm guessing. i've heard that the tlx won't be available until the later half of 2020 with the type s coming 6 months or so after that.
As I posted earlier in this thread, my sources tell me it’s coming in the spring of 2020, and Type S not long after.
Did you feel that way about the 4G TL? I driven the 2019 TLX Sh-AWD and it felt much slower than my 4G TL but it could also be the fact that the TLX has VCM while the 4G TL doesn't. I also felt this lack of power in the 9th Gen Accord V6.
Never drove the 4th gen but it came out barely a year after I bought the 3rd gen type S and at the time the styling of the 4th gen wasn't appealing although over time I have come to like it a lot more. The TLX at least stock is not responsive except in sport + mode which is not a comfortable mode for most driving due to running high rpms at level speeds to make up for the slow shifting/lag inherent to the ZF9. Hopefully the next gen will not have that issue. I do remember when I first test drove the Type S it struck me how the car took off with barely any push on the gas versus the TLX where you have to really step down on the pedal to make anything happen and sometimes wait for a while.
Never drove the 4th gen but it came out barely a year after I bought the 3rd gen type S and at the time the styling of the 4th gen wasn't appealing although over time I have come to like it a lot more. The TLX at least stock is not responsive except in sport + mode which is not a comfortable mode for most driving due to running high rpms at level speeds to make up for the slow shifting/lag inherent to the ZF9. Hopefully the next gen will not have that issue. I do remember when I first test drove the Type S it struck me how the car took off with barely any push on the gas versus the TLX where you have to really step down on the pedal to make anything happen and sometimes wait for a while.
The 4G TL was ahead of its time. I had a loaner 2019 Sh-AWD and I could definitely feel that lag you're talking about. Something about that 9 speed automatic transmission which I also experienced in a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
C8 has a front end raise thing to take care of that.
It is not the front end, my driveway is steep and as I clip by to the street and go over the top hum as the front wheels hit the street and bottom of the middle of the car can hit, it would depend on wheel base and height from the ground and I suspect the C8 has low ground clearance.
It turned into what they are unveiling this week. That concept was a real concept that exaggerated the style, the one shown now more align with what will hit the streets.
Well by the time it comes out in 2020 it better have 400hp/400tq with a 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and 1/4 mile in the low 13’s or it’s pointless. You just can’t have a much anticipated performance model come out and be mediocre in its class.
Haven’t been this excited about an Acura’s exterior design since the 3G TL...and that includes the NC1 NSX, whose design I love. Throwback to my 3G TL...
I was planning to be in Monterey on Saturday for the day to attend the Exotics on Broadway show. Missing out on the Type S Concept since it won't be public until Sunday at the Pebble Beach Lodge. Anyone going to be there on Sunday?
I forgot about the leaked images from the RDX headunit. It does appear that it is the dumbed down version of the Concept but not the Type S model so who knows. The concept with it's larger wheels, lower body work and agressive front/rear bumpers just looks so much better. I never understood how much more it would cost Acura to do some of these things from the concept into production, especially since they're already tooling it all for a new generation. Why not tool it to duplicate the concept exactly?
I actually love this comparo shot.
The base will be what 90% of us will buy. It's a nice looking car, then the TypeS just adds to that the way it did in 2007. Kinda like how the Kia Optima was in SX vs EX form.
We can also see where the door handles will be too!
The base will be what 90% of us will buy. It's a nice looking car, then the TypeS just adds to that the way it did in 2007. Kinda like how the Kia Optima was in SX vs EX form.
We can also see where the door handles will be too!
This comparison is the best you can expect.
The base will be 90%+ like the grey/silver one. Also images leaked from the RDX infotainment are production ready, so I am very happy with the design
Now the Type S: this is a concept car and I am sure the production version will be 80-80% similar.
It is not the front end, my driveway is steep and as I clip by to the street and go over the top hum as the front wheels hit the street and bottom of the middle of the car can hit, it would depend on wheel base and height from the ground and I suspect the C8 has low ground clearance.
Ouch......did that once with the COBRA going into a friends driveway to use his lift. Short wheelbase & 3-7/8" ground clearance. Some really bad, ugly noise that fortunately did not turn out to be money noise.
I haven’t been this excited about an Acura product since the 07-08 Type S. If Acura can deliver the goods ( don’t water down the concept too much, give this thing at least 375-400Hp) I’d be swayed into giving up my 340i and jumping back into another Acura. They needed to make a statement and so far this design has done that. Now let’s hope the specs can back it up as well.
08-15-2019, 01:41 AM
Nice car
I'll be very interested in the specs. And if the base looks remotely close to this with 17" wheels, so help me God, I'll never come back to Acura.
