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Calling the Accord an econobox is beyond silly.....the Touring 2.0T is way more than anybody realistically need, very comfortable seats, quiet, a rocketship (on pure engine power alone it should be able to hit 160+ mph). It is way more impressive in its segment than the TLX is in its own.
Seven mph difference in quarter mile trap speed is HUGE. And of all performance metrics, it is the best indicator of how fast a car is in real world driving.
after driving both I can tell you in a real world situation as a daily driver the performance of these two are negligible. I didn’t feel a real difference in power no matter what the paper stats say. I would never set foot a track with my car so that’s not important to me. The biggest difference was Audi technology is way superior however the handling and ride quality is far greater in the Acura. The Acura had me feeling like I was driving a Benz.
Cars & Coffee with street tires & full slicks at the drags. Cars that can easily over power their tires are very tricky on the street, do not ask me how I know.
I know, thats why I am wondering whats the use of so much power if its not usable. Hopefully he can switch between street tune and drag tune...
I still don’t think the Acura loses by much if you removed the price. The margin is so small in this segment. I think the biggest would be the fuel economy but again we are still talking about a small margin. I wasn’t getting the greatest mpg as advertise by Audi when I drive the s5 but perhaps it was because of my heavy foot. They are both fast… I don’t think you would be missing much in the speed department. Yes, the Audi is fast but outside of pull off hard at red lights that’s the only time you will feel a small difference. At top end speeds around like 60ish, the power felt the same.
edit: and this is coming from someone who was a signature away from purchasing a s5 prestige
I know every car may be a little different even with the same model buy i generally get a pretty easy 24 overall mpg (S5) off the highway when all said and done (ave speed usually around 30-35 mph overall) and I step into it a fair amount off the time. If I drove it more normal it is not difficult to get 28/29 mpg just driving around. It's surprisingly good overall on gas and does better than my first gen TLX sh-awd V6. The different on highway between the two was not that much different. I normally drive it in dynamic mode with some sport thrown in here and there. Comfort mode will do better but rarely use it unless someone else is in the car.
Sadly I tend to think of the accelerator pedal as more of an on/off switch. I do like to play with the available power and have not given much thought to gas mileage.
Back in the days of the OPEC energy crisis and sky high gas prices I was at a local Shell station filling up my E-Type. The guy at the next pump ambles over, gazes a while at the V12 emblem on the boot lid, and asks me what kind of mileage it got. I just laughed at him and said "Do you think I'd be driving a V-12 if I gave a shit about mileage. The correct question is 'how fast is it!'"
On the other hand, I do appreciate the fact I can drive my '07 Type-S over 500 miles and average better than 30mpg.
I second this… Acura is headed in the right direct and has a great platform to build from. They are really just a few tweaks away to make this the best in class vehicle…
Well the same thing can always be said about most Acura except for the weak beak generation. They are good at up to maybe 70~90% performance wise, and always need aftermarket support to unlock the hidden gems.
I second this… Acura is headed in the right direct and has a great platform to build from. They are really just a few tweaks away to make this the best in class vehicle… well until the next gen Benz and Audi come out then Acura will be far behind again.
Do me a favor first define the class that the TLX-S is in. Then instead of a few tweaks define what they need to do to be the best in the class. Fot insyance some of the guys are saying well just bring it up to 400BHP. I am sure it can be done but Acura chose not to do it. An aftermarket solution that will work will cost what if you have to go with a bigger turbo. Power is peaked out at 5500RPM now. One of the other cars talked about here has its power peak at 6,500RPM
I will start off on best in class with a question. How do you know which cars it handles better than to make it best in class? We have seen no to head to head testing yet.
I bailed after a few minutes got bored with the walkaround that has been done to death. What was the answer? Problem with YouTube is too many guys doing the exact same thing & just adding their personal opinion. Could save a lot of time & add value with a 5 minute executive summary.
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I bailed after a few minutes got bored with the walkaround that has been done to death. What was the answer? Problem with YouTube is too many guys doing the exact same thing & just adding their personal opinion. Could save a lot of time & add value with a 5 minute executive summary.
As is common with Joe's video, the question in the title was not answered.
Just got the call, an allocation slot for my daughters Pig Snout AKA Bucky Beaver not so porky 3880lb 503BHP Panzer.
Final from build your own. No ADM slight brand loyalty discount. Very hard bargaining this season. Eliminated all the usual addon crap, nitrogen, coatings, etchings etc.
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The TLX was never fast. 3rd and 4th gen TL's, particularly the manuals are better and the 3rd gen type S auto would best a tlx of any year outside of the newer type S. Car got big and heavy over time. Acura got lazy with the TLX.
The TLX was never fast. 3rd and 4th gen TL's, particularly the manuals are better and the 3rd gen type S auto would best a tlx of any year outside of the newer type S. Car got big and heavy over time. Acura got lazy with the TLX.
I'm pretty sure in a rolling race the 3rd gen TL-S and 4th gen 6MT versions would walk the TLX-S
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't but it would be closer than most people would think.
Originally Posted by djhtsx
I highly doubt that but no one knows until tested.
Originally Posted by dmski
If the old S walks the current Type S it will run with current competition as well......
It's possible due to the weight difference alone. The 3rd gen comes in about 3400-3600 LBS and the 4th gen comes in about 3900 (6MT, SH-AWD). All things being equal (Which they never are) for every 100 LBS less, it's .1 quicker. The 3rd gen has the biggest weight advantage vs the TLX-S which is 4300 LBS. Even though the 3rd gen makes less power (257whp & 236 ft lbs / 253.45whp & 229.21tq. Source: Acurazine) it's not that far off HP wise to the TLX-S which was 284.93 whp & 296.62 wtq. Very likely that the 3rd gen TL-S 6MT will walk the TLX-S in a roll race. At a Dig it's close because of traction issues the TL-S will face being FWD. As for the 4th gen TL a 2010 6MT dynos at 227WHP and 201 wTorque. (Source Acurazine) but being it weighs more and makes less power, I'd say the 4th gen would have a harder time.
So in theory, type-s to type-s the 3rd gen has a very good chance of walking the TLX-S but realistically the 6MT with a driver who knows how to actually shift unlike the guy in Sam's video who had some awful shifting.. Yikes.. bad.
The 4G should have taken down both easily. Another puzzling video from Sam. I guess it's the drivers....
In the first race with the 4G, you see a cloud of clutch smoke (at least that's what it appears like to me). So, either the car needs a new clutch or a new driver ... or both ...
In the first race with the 4G, you see a cloud of clutch smoke (at least that's what it appears like to me). So, either the car needs a new clutch or a new driver ... or both ...
It's not the clutch, it's blue smoke from burning oil which 4th Gen 3.7 was notorious for. That engine is done for, probably low compression and severe loss of power.
It's possible due to the weight difference alone. The 3rd gen comes in about 3400-3600 LBS and the 4th gen comes in about 3900 (6MT, SH-AWD). All things being equal (Which they never are) for every 100 LBS less, it's .1 quicker. The 3rd gen has the biggest weight advantage vs the TLX-S which is 4300 LBS. Even though the 3rd gen makes less power (257whp & 236 ft lbs / 253.45whp & 229.21tq. Source: Acurazine) it's not that far off HP wise to the TLX-S which was 284.93 whp & 296.62 wtq. Very likely that the 3rd gen TL-S 6MT will walk the TLX-S in a roll race. At a Dig it's close because of traction issues the TL-S will face being FWD. As for the 4th gen TL a 2010 6MT dynos at 227WHP and 201 wTorque. (Source Acurazine) but being it weighs more and makes less power, I'd say the 4th gen would have a harder time.
So in theory, type-s to type-s the 3rd gen has a very good chance of walking the TLX-S but realistically the 6MT with a driver who knows how to actually shift unlike the guy in Sam's video who had some awful shifting.. Yikes.. bad.
No issues with what you wrote but, ain't there always a but, I don't think the 100lbs X .1 applies anymore.
So are (we) saying that the 3G TL-S 6MT has the best chance of challenging the S4 and C43? Correct me if I read that wrong.
No way it'll be anywhere close from a dig with the other cars having AWD. Not even from a roll. Quarter mile is what, 14.1s @ 101mph? That's 9mph slower than the C43. It's not like we need to do any guesswork; we know how all these cars perform objectively.
I'm pretty sure in a rolling race the 3rd gen TL-S and 4th gen 6MT versions would walk the TLX-S
As the happy owner of a 3G TL Type-S 6MT I regret to inform you it won't win a drag race against a new TLX Type S. The 3G was pretty quick for it's day, but while it my scare a 2021, it's not going to walk a way from it. The sad thing about the 2021 is the fact that we are even having this discussion. In April I was planning to buy a new Type-S, after all sporty sedans have made a lot of progress in the 14 years I've owned my '07. But Acura clearly hasn't.
Best time I have seen for the new Type S so far is a 13.4 quarter mile. That's proly the best it can do, unless, the engine opens up a bit once more miles are on it. Even so, it may improve times marginally. For the old Type S to walk it it needs to run low 13's. The only way it walks it is if the driver is asleep at the wheel which does happen in a lot of Sam's videos.
Best time I have seen for the new Type S so far is a 13.4 quarter mile. That's proly the best it can do, unless, the engine opens up a bit once more miles are on it. Even so, it may improve times marginally. For the old Type S to walk it it needs to run low 13's. The only way it walks it is if the driver is asleep at the wheel which does happen in a lot of Sam's videos.
Best time I have seen for the new Type S so far is a 13.4 quarter mile. That's proly the best it can do, unless, the engine opens up a bit once more miles are on it. Even so, it may improve times marginally. For the old Type S to walk it it needs to run low 13's. The only way it walks it is if the driver is asleep at the wheel which does happen in a lot of Sam's videos.
The memories are better than the hardware was. That said in its day it was competitive with whatever else was available.
As the happy owner of a 3G TL Type-S 6MT I regret to inform you it won't win a drag race against a new TLX Type S. The 3G was pretty quick for it's day, but while it my scare a 2021, it's not going to walk a way from it. The sad thing about the 2021 is the fact that we are even having this discussion. In April I was planning to buy a new Type-S, after all sporty sedans have made a lot of progress in the 14 years I've owned my '07. But Acura clearly hasn't.
As a proud 15 year owner of a 3rd gen TL as well, I respect your post and agree that Acura hasn't made the proper progress it should have. I will mention it below about why I still believe the 3rd gen TL-S 6MT will walk the TLX-S in a ROLLING race.
Originally Posted by dmski
Best time I have seen for the new Type S so far is a 13.4 quarter mile. That's proly the best it can do, unless, the engine opens up a bit once more miles are on it. Even so, it may improve times marginally. For the old Type S to walk it it needs to run low 13's. The only way it walks it is if the driver is asleep at the wheel which does happen in a lot of Sam's videos.
Yes, while I agree with you and what I'm about to type is true for both vehicles, as BEAR mentioned, times obtained are out of a set of runs on a prepared track with a professional driver. In the real world however, it's no longer true. As AHC did real world 0-60 & 1/4 times for the TLX-S (0-60 in 5.34's and 1/4 in 13.59). The biggest advantage is the SH-AWD on the TLX-S which will be the key winner from a DIG. However, if you were to factor 5-60 times for both vehicles (TL-S 6MT 5-60 is 5.8 vs TLX-S 5-60 is 5.5) there's not much of a difference which is why I said in a ROLL race, I can see the TL-S walking the TLX-S. Trust me, i'm not here to defend the 3rd gen or brag it's "better" just an observation of mine. Considering the 3rd gen TL has aged, the likely hood you will find one that's in great shape and mechanically sound is rare since a majority of them are clapped out and are rolling dumpsters. Just disappointed that the 3rd gen, though not the fastest at the time, was competitive in it's class. The Type-s badge meant more then. Now Acura is slapping this badge on the NSX and saying "350 will be made, after that RIP NSX, no more". It's sad to see a company which it's marketing department really drives the point of performance but are killing off the thing that actually performs, and I love the NSX and would love to own one.
I’m checking into this forum less and less. But I see we have progressed from comparing the S to its current competition to comparing it to previous generation TL/TLXs.
I literally owned one of the first Honda Accords in the country in 1976. I’m pretty sure the new S will kick it’s ass. That car ran 0-60 in the 14s 😂
You know its bad when they start making memes about the TLX-S. These were shared with me in our car group chat.
The first meme is funny but Lexus fans may be getting a little over-excited. The m340i xD will still widely be considered best in its class even after the IS500 is released. I know manufacturer times are conservative, but Lexus puts the 0-60 at 4.5, significantly slower than the BMW (4.1 official, 3.8 real life). The IS is certainly one of the best looking in the class though, especially from the front and sides. The ancient interior is still a major downside (which is why the promotional shots almost never show the interior). And of course the $60K you spend on the IS500 won't include features like memory seating (?!), navigation package/10" screen, moonroof, or high-end audio system...all things standard on the lowly Type-S.
Which is why I still think the Type-S is still among the best values in the class (at MSRP) in terms of styling/chassis/powertrain/AWD/features/resale value per dollar.
The first meme is funny but Lexus fans may be getting a little over-excited. The m340i xD will still widely be considered best in its class even after the IS500 is released. I know manufacturer times are conservative, but Lexus puts the 0-60 at 4.5, significantly slower than the BMW (4.1 official, 3.8 real life). The IS is certainly one of the best looking in the class though, especially from the front and sides. The ancient interior is still a major downside (which is why the promotional shots almost never show the interior). And of course the $60K you spend on the IS500 won't include features like memory seating (?!), navigation package/10" screen, moonroof, or high-end audio system...all things standard on the lowly Type-S.
Which is why I still think the Type-S is still among the best values in the class (at MSRP) in terms of styling/chassis/powertrain/AWD/features/resale value per dollar.
Without question, if the IS500 is right at $60k, I’d get it over the Type-S. Nobody uses navigation, I couldn’t care less about the audio system, the ancient interior is actually more functional than the aesthetics-centric interior of current Acura’s and my the panoramic sunroof on my RDX was plagued with build quality issues, along with the rest of the crap build quality of the interior. 1,000% I’d get the IS500 over another crappy Acura product if it’s within $10k.
If the Type-S starts creeping into the mid-$40k, it will pique my interest. Also, we’ll see how much aftermarket support the car gets to wake up the engine. If there isn’t much, or the car can’t take much more power than stock, I don’t care if the car gets into the $30k range new, it’s not even going to be a consideration.
That’s just me tho, and where my priorities lie in my next vehicle purchase.
The first meme is funny but Lexus fans may be getting a little over-excited. The m340i xD will still widely be considered best in its class even after the IS500 is released. I know manufacturer times are conservative, but Lexus puts the 0-60 at 4.5, significantly slower than the BMW (4.1 official, 3.8 real life). The IS is certainly one of the best looking in the class though, especially from the front and sides. The ancient interior is still a major downside (which is why the promotional shots almost never show the interior). And of course the $60K you spend on the IS500 won't include features like memory seating (?!), navigation package/10" screen, moonroof, or high-end audio system...all things standard on the lowly Type-S.
Which is why I still think the Type-S is still among the best values in the class (at MSRP) in terms of styling/chassis/powertrain/AWD/features/resale value per dollar.
I think the bigger question is what class is the type S in? It's not even close to an M340 performance wise so not even worth comparing. It's performance and features pricewise match up best with something like a well optioned A4 which is not really even considered in a performance class by most. The regular TLX performance wise has a tough time with the accord and the accord is pretty much the definition of a value class vehicle. The type S is in an in between state of performance below the performance class but price higher than a value class purchase. Hence closer to an A4 overall, better than value class performance, well optioned, but short of performance to get to the next level.
I think the bigger question is what class is the type S in? It's not even close to an M340 performance wise so not even worth comparing. It's performance and features pricewise match up best with something like a well optioned A4 which is not really even considered in a performance class by most. The regular TLX performance wise has a tough time with the accord and the accord is pretty much the definition of a value class vehicle. The type S is in an in between state of performance below the performance class but price higher than a value class purchase. Hence closer to an A4 overall, better than value class performance, well optioned, but short of performance to get to the next level.
You guys saying that the type s is in the same class as the A4 is a little far stretched. I’m saying this because I’ve driven both and when it comes to performance and handling it’s laughable how well the type s driving dynamics are compared to the A4.
07-26-2021, 01:01 PM
Is this a burnout car?
+1 agree
