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FWIW M4CS Convertibles are now discounting 4% about $4,000 with 0.9% (BMWFS) for 60 months, so maybe the logjam is starting to break up. That could lower the actual deal price of the Lexus 500
The other advantage to the IS500 is reliability. Lexus reliability is as good as it gets to begin with. The IS500 has been around for years virtually unchanged. In the real world the performance is so close to the M340 that most people would no feel a difference. And to top it off, you can actually get ventilated seats and a killer sound system in the IS. As someone who lives where the normal temperature for five months is around 90, I’m dumbfounded the three series still does not offer ventilated seats. It is literally the only car in its class that does not.
I'm not sure how, but TH was able to hussle the new GR 86 around the track faster than the TLX Type S.
Between the BMW GR Supra, GR Yaris, and now GR 86, Toyota has been killing it with their performance sub-brand. I guess it helps when the CEO is a true gearhead.
The other advantage to the IS500 is reliability. Lexus reliability is as good as it gets to begin with. The IS500 has been around for years virtually unchanged. In the real world the performance is so close to the M340 that most people would no feel a difference. And to top it off, you can actually get ventilated seats and a killer sound system in the IS. As someone who lives where the normal temperature for five months is around 90, I’m dumbfounded the three series still does not offer ventilated seats. It is literally the only car in its class that does not.
The only 3/4 series body shells that get them are the pure M3/M4 models. As an extra the convertible also gets a neck warmer built into the seat. Could not get one on my Z4
I think it was djhtsx that responded to my comment that the NSX wasn't being retired but only the 2nd gen was coming to an end til the next generation.. Anyway, I saw this and wouldn't be surprised if I was correct that the NSX is RIP. The only vehicle that actually performs is being retired RIP Acura. A whole new level of stupid. Didn't Jon Ikea brag that Acura is a performance brand 1st. Back to being a luxury brand?
"... Acura's positioning as an inclusive luxury brand that likes to punch above its weight."
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Seriously though, hopefully this is foreshadowing that they're going to put something decently peppy under the hood? If they can get Honda to give them the CTR motor, tune the suspension more for the street over track, not style it for a 15y/o with face pubes and price it in the low, low $40k (or dare I suggest ... just under $40k?), I would take a very long hard look at that as my next car, assuming it's based off the 11G Civic.
"... Acura's positioning as an inclusive luxury brand that likes to punch above its weight."
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Seriously though, hopefully this is foreshadowing that they're going to put something decently peppy under the hood? If they can get Honda to give them the CTR motor, tune the suspension more for the street over track, not style it for a 15y/o with face pubes and price it in the low, low $40k (or dare I suggest ... just under $40k?), I would take a very long hard look at that as my next car, assuming it's based off the 11G Civic.
Word around the forum, there will be an Integra type-S NOT R.. The integra will share the civic platform (not surprised).
Here's a statement from Hondapro Jason
"BREAKING NEWS! The upcoming Acura Integra will use the 11th gen Honda Civic platform. And there could be some Honda Type R bones in there, but don't expect the full Type R treatment initially. Once Acura gets the car out next year, Acura Brand Officer Jon Ikeda says & he knows people will be asking for a higher performance version. Acura is pushing Type S across the while Acura lineup, building equity in the sub-brand. "I am aware people will want an Integra Type S," Ikeda says"
What die hard Acura enthusiast is asking for an Integra type-s over the legendary type-r?
Sounds like Jon Ikeda is pushing the S badge across the line up so everyone knows what that means.. Wasn't there mentions of the type-s trim being discontinued in two years? or is that speculation?
I agree and I think that statement came from a salesman at one Acura dealership.. Nexx might know better if it's true.
Honda will not allow Acura to overshadow their Civic Type-R. Back when the Type R Integra was around I dont believe the US had a Civic Type R so it was ok. I would expect an Integra Type S with 2.0T with around 300hp and SH-AWD but this just my speculation with zero inside knowledge.
Honda will not allow Acura to overshadow their Civic Type-R. Back when the Type R Integra was around I dont believe the US had a Civic Type R so it was ok. I would expect an Integra Type S with 2.0T with around 300hp and SH-AWD but this just my speculation with zero inside knowledge.
Even if there was a US CTR, why would Honda care about the ITR overshadowing it, since in Japan the ITR was a Honda? Acura had nothing to do with that car other than the badge and the bug eyes. I highly doubt Honda would sandbag the Honda ITR just so that the Acura ITR doesn't overshadow the Honda CTR.
Honda will not allow Acura to overshadow their Civic Type-R. Back when the Type R Integra was around I dont believe the US had a Civic Type R so it was ok. I would expect an Integra Type S with 2.0T with around 300hp and SH-AWD but this just my speculation with zero inside knowledge.
That was my assumption as well, which is why Jon is pushing the type-s trim across the board.
In all fairness, sales aside, if you're bringing back an icon why not bring the type-r as well?
Acura has a chance to redeem itself by making a Type R integra to go against the Nissan 400z and Toyota Supra . What is going on with their fear of performance? That 400Z looks great by the way.
Acura has a chance to redeem itself by making a Type R integra to go against the Nissan 400z and Toyota Supra . What is going on with their fear of performance? That 400Z looks great by the way.
You beat me to it, I was gonna bring up the Z since it's already introduced.
Can't wait for Sam to drag the TLX Type-S vs the 400Z
Will be interesting to see how that new 9-speed Jatco will do for RWD duties. At least Nissan is trying, that 3.0 V6T is pretty good. At least from what I remember when I tested the Q50 Red Sport. https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/rele...0330_1138.html
Will be interesting to see how that new 9-speed Jatco will do for RWD duties. At least Nissan is trying, that 3.0 V6T is pretty good. At least from what I remember when I tested the Q50 Red Sport. https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/rele...0330_1138.html
It has to be better than the one in the red sport was an 8 speed and it sucked. The Z also comes in a 6 Speed manual which I'm sure will make up a large part of their sales. The Blue on Blue one is beutiful.
Acura has a chance to redeem itself by making a Type R integra to go against the Nissan 400z and Toyota Supra . What is going on with their fear of performance? That 400Z looks great by the way.
Say what? Even if they make Integra Type R it will not keep up with the Z. That thing should be pretty damn fast.
Acura's fault, they can't build a 400 HP Integra Type R? More like they don't want to.
If it's 400hp, then it wouldn't be an Integra anymore. The Integra has always been a sport compact; it never competed with the likes of the 300ZX, Supra, RX7, 3000GT, etc. Its competition was cars like the GTI, 240SX, Celica, Eclipse, etc.
If it's 400hp, then it wouldn't be an Integra anymore. The Integra has always been a sport compact; it never competed with the likes of the 300ZX, Supra, RX7, 3000GT, etc. Its competition was cars like the GTI, 240SX, Celica, Eclipse, etc.
Time to change the name? Why would they bring back the Integra name if the new car isn't spiritually an Integra?
It’s 2021 , not 1991. The Nissan Z got a power increase , the Supra got a power increase, why not. You can do everything else “spiritually” integra and add more HP. I’m talking about an Integra Type R not the base version. Why would you be against giving the Type R 400 HP?
It’s 2021 , not 1991. The Nissan Z got a power increase , the Supra got a power increase, why not. You can do everything else “spiritually” integra and add more HP. I’m talking about an Integra Type R not the base version. Why would you be against giving the Type R 400 HP?
The Z went from 300 to 400. The Supra went from 276 to 382. You're telling me it's reasonable for the ITR to go from 195 to 400? Come on now.
Why would I be against it? Because instead of a lightweight FWD car that'll cost around $40K, it'd be a heavy bloated AWD car costing $60K. If that's what you want, go buy a CLA45 AMG. The TLX Type S isn't even anywhere close to 400hp and it's already almost that price. Don't be a dummy.
Drop the Accord 2.0 in the car with SHAWD while bringing the weight in at 3,200 lbs and it’s a go. In that configuration it should be in the mid 5s. To get to the Type S move up to the TLX 4T and call it a day.
Drop the Accord 2.0 in the car with SHAWD while bringing the weight in at 3,200 lbs and it’s a go. In that configuration it should be in the mid 5s. To get to the Type S move up to the TLX 4T and call it a day.
The Accord 2.0T and TLX 2.0T is virtually the same...
The Z went from 300 to 400. The Supra went from 276 to 382. You're telling me it's reasonable for the ITR to go from 195 to 400? Come on now.
Why would I be against it? Because instead of a lightweight FWD car that'll cost around $40K, it'd be a heavy bloated AWD car costing $60K. If that's what you want, go buy a CLA45 AMG. The TLX Type S isn't even anywhere close to 400hp and it's already almost that price. Don't be a dummy.
Don’t be a dummy? You’re the one sitting here making excuses why Acura should continue to be mediocre. Stop making excuses for them. The Z starts at 37k for one. Second the Supra has 400hp to the wheels thanks to BMW but hey Acura shouldn’t try to compete let’s just let them be like everybody else and still fail miserably instead of trying to build something with a damn performance wise.
The Accord 2.0T and TLX 2.0T is virtually the same...
There’s 20 HP difference. The Bremos, larger wheels, adaptable suspension, sports plus, and overall more sports tuned suspension is all you need to make a Type S.
Don’t be a dummy? You’re the one sitting here making excuses why Acura should continue to be mediocre. Stop making excuses for them. The Z starts at 37k for one. Second the Supra has 400hp to the wheels thanks to BMW but hey Acura shouldn’t try to compete let’s just let them be like everybody else and still fail miserably instead of trying to build something with a damn performance wise.
You obviously have no idea where the Integra is slotted. Think A3 with the Type S in the S3 slot. By the way the S3 only has 306 HP.
Don’t be a dummy? You’re the one sitting here making excuses why Acura should continue to be mediocre. Stop making excuses for them. The Z starts at 37k for one. Second the Supra has 400hp to the wheels thanks to BMW but hey Acura shouldn’t try to compete let’s just let them be like everybody else and still fail miserably instead of trying to build something with a damn performance wise.
A 300hp sport compact is hardly mediocre. You're comparing a sport compact to bonafide 2 seater RWD sports cars and saying it's not enough. Why not compare it to a 460hp Mustang GT for about 40K? By that comparison, the new Z is mediocre to, and so is the Supra. Do you want the car to give you a handjob too?
There’s 20 HP difference. The Bremos, larger wheels, adaptable suspension, sports plus, and overall more sports tuned suspension is all you need to make a Type S.
"20" horespower. In actuality it's probably less. The difference is most likely entirely tuning so that the Accord can run on 87 while the RDX/TLX runs on 91.
20 horsepower would also be less than the difference between an ITR and GSR (25hp) and Type-S and base (40hp).
"20" horespower. In actuality it's probably less. The difference is most likely entirely tuning so that the Accord can run on 87 while the RDX/TLX runs on 91.
20 horsepower would also be less than the difference between an ITR and GSR (25hp) and Type-S and base (40hp).
I suppose they could always de-tune the 2.0T to 220-240 HP and call it the base. With the current ILX at 201HP I really can't see them using the 1.5T.
I suppose they could always de-tune the 2.0T to 220-240 HP and call it the base. With the current ILX at 201HP I really can't see them using the 1.5T.
The last base Integra (RSX) used the same engine as the Civic Si of the time, so I wouldn't be surprised if the base Integra here inherits the 1.5T from the current Si. The Type S got the same motor as the EDM CTR (which itself was down on power a little bit compared to the JDM CTR and ITR) so if they do the same thing, I could see them giving the new one the K20C1 from the CTR if we're lucky.
A 300hp sport compact is hardly mediocre. You're comparing a sport compact to bonafide 2 seater RWD sports cars and saying it's not enough. Why not compare it to a 460hp Mustang GT for about 40K? By that comparison, the new Z is mediocre to, and so is the Supra. Do you want the car to give you a handjob too?
335BHP VS GT-PP1 & 382BHP VS GT-PP2 & 382BHP VS GT-500 Supra looks pretty good against the GT Mustangs including the 760BHP GT-500. If the Z400 is in that class it will do very well.
08-15-2021, 02:46 AM
What die hard Acura enthusiast is asking for an Integra type-s over the legendary type-r?
