Honda430

I’ve driven both. You’re definitely in a league by yourself. There’s no way in hell I’d trade the ZF9 for the 10spd in the RDX.

leomio85

The 10AT up to this point has been fantastic. It’s the associated tuning around it that makes it seem terrible.

MSZ

Guys, if you're having issues with dropping 60k on a car, that means you can't actually afford one.

Lets say If you have 8 figures in your account, a 60k car is just pocket change.

Carnage719

He's not in a league by himself. I've driven both and our experiences differ, that's all. No ones saying the 2018-20 ZF9 is comparable to a ZF8, 7 or 8DCT, or any other lauded transmission, it's just not the horror story of the 2015-17 generation.

Regarding the current gen ZF9, there are numerous posts that a Sprintbooster or Ktuner can transform it into a responsive tranny that Acura should've programmed it to be from the beginning.

Carnage719

Let's just say I could've paid it in cash and leave it at that.

KeithL

far better, but still has delays when doing a rolling stop then accelerating it can’t decide what to to. I keep debating I want to do. My lease is up next June, I will check out the Type-S, but not digging how they are removing features from the top end car. 21 G70 has a special Edition that is the Sport model with more goodies like a LCD gauge cluster. I suspect the 22 G70, which will have the new grille will have the LCD standard along with the new 3.5T. That should be out within a few months of my lease ending. I suspect Type-S refresh MMC they may wake up, or they will offer a PMC Type-S that will have all the Advance features, but then I suspect you are looking at a $60K Acura.

Acura just seems to be one step behind the competition.

fiatlux

But could you afford to? Just because someone has enough money to pay for something doesn't mean they can afford to pay for said thing.

F23A4

The lease is up on my 19 in September next year and after having driven the 21 A-Spec FWD yesterday, I'm most likely leaning towards the 2.0T Tech FWD next year. Hopefully by the time the lease is up on that one, incentives (if any) on the Type S will be more favorable.

As it is, the Sale Mgr at my dealership indicated that ALL Type S models are going to be produced in fairly limited numbers by the PMC team. (Dont shoot the messenger; just relaying what was told to me.)

MSZ

I can buy a brand new Ferrari in cash too, but I can't actually afford one because of maintenance costs.

pyrodan007

Say goodbye to discounts for years to come just like the CTR. Why limit the car production, again it's nowhere close to supercar territory. Just an excuse for dealerships with pricing if true.

ESHBG

Negative. You don't get rich and stay rich by making poor financial choices. $60K on a rapidly depreciating asset is not a good move no matter how you slice it. Some people will be fine with that choice of course but most people who are in that price range are leasing and not buying for the advantages of going that route (which still has drawbacks but can be the lesser of the evils).

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

I still own an '06 6MT TL.

I just love rowing my own gears and accelerating all the way to redline through each gear.

fiatlux

Some people would say paying the extra $1 for cheese your burger would be a poor final choice. It all depends on how much money you already have and what your total future earning potential is. You think Jeff Bezos is going to go broke by buying a fleet of Bugattis?

Carnage719

TMI, that's why I said I'll leave it at that.

fiatlux

I’ll take that as a negative

MSZ

Did you read the whole post? If you have over 10 million dollars why would you drive a sub 60k car? Like you just said some people would be totally fine with that purchase.

Carnage719

I'm ok with you taking that however you want. My ego's not affected.

leomio85

If that’s true, you’re likely going to see less than 1,000 TLX-S’s produced a year. The PMC facility isn’t really tooled to do more than that. This quashes any possibility of ever getting incentives off on the car, especially the first year runs. Ironically, this tactic will also make it a flop. It’ll likely go the way of the NSX. Decent numbers the first year and then sales numbers will drop off a cliff when dealers are marking them up or refusing to budge off sticker because it’s an ultra limited model ... meanwhile it gets handily beat or matched in every performance category by its competition which can be had for the same price or cheaper.

Hopefully it’s not true. I don’t know why you’d spend all that development money on a brand new engine and then produce a low volume of them. Dodge sticks their Hellcat in everything. BMW is throwing their B/S58 in everything. Acura ... “we have an engine that’s already inferior in performance and we’re not giving it to anybody”. I thought Japanese people were supposed to be smart, especially in business. Maybe finally give the motherland a chance and see what the refreshes G70 is all about. I’m not a fan of the new tail light design though ... and the dealership experience.

fiatlux

I can’t imagine this would be true. Acura does a few head scratching things, but this would be just too dumb unless they don’t think they can move that many units, which begs the question why even invest so much to build it?

AcuraGuy2016

I wonder why Acura didn't use the 7 DCT they used on the MDX and RLX Sport-Hybrids for the regular V6 TLX and MDX. Those can definitely handle the torque.

Legend2TL

Wider gear spread and more gears for acceleration and fuel efficiency is my guess along with it's probably cheaper to manufacture the 10AT over the 7DCT

AcuraGuy2016

I meant use the 7DCT vs the ZF9 in the last gen TLX and outgoing non-Hybrid MDX. 7DCT is really good.

Legend2TL

oh my bad, only guess there was the electric planar "pancake" motor that is integrated into the 7DCT which is used on the two hybrids (MDX and RLX).
It's also physically a large transaxle especially when mated to the J35

https://www.acura.com/rlx/modals/mot...ssion-features

ESHBG

Yes he could go broke theoretically if he kept making that type of decision over and over again.
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Yep sure did. No matter what numbers you want to use a car is always a bad purchase and the higher you go the worse it is, as typically the more expensive the car the worse the depreciation. Where it gets to be an okay purchase (and I use this phrase loosely) is if you buy a car and run it until the wheels fall off.

I'm not advocating for not enjoying your money and spending it how you wish and for many of us a car is a necessity but whether you are a millionaire or not, blowing a lot of money on a rapidly depreciating asset is not a good idea.

Tesla1856

Well, then stick to the $40k car then (or whatever you feel is appropriate for your budget). The Accord, Camry, Maxima, Passat ... all nice sedans now-days.

Buy/Financed: Even a TLX-2.0T-Tech AWD (almost Base model) is $45k before TTL. With good credit, interest rates are low (so just pay as you go). For a $60k car ... an extra $15k is only an extra $250 a month on 60 month-loan. At the end of 5-years, you should be able to get close to your $15k back when you sell it. Or, keep it another 5 years for free. Anyway, my point is ... it's an asset.

I and many in my family used to prefer to buy nice cars and keep them 15 years. It's hard to find affordable cars that are capable of that now-days ("good-enough is good-enough" and our current "disposable society"). Also, tech-advances (like PHEV and EV) make it hard to make long-range plans.

Leased: Less of a commitment on any car since you only only keep it 3 years, then get another new one. Basically, for about $700 a month, you drive a recent model car for as long as you want.

Some of us are retired. Now, when you are trying to keep 2-3 nice cars in the garage, that's when it gets interesting. We all have limits.

Tesla1856

All machines (cars, trucks, computers, whatever) .. especially machines based on technology ... are expensive while cutting-edge and rapidly depreciate as they get older (due to new tech and models).

In the case of vehicles, some people need them to get to work or the doctor dependably. Some want their loved-ones to be as safe as possible. We are not all just joy-riding and you have to drive something (until they take away our licenses).

ESHBG

Yep, and my whole statement included this:

"I'm not advocating for not enjoying your money and spending it how you wish and for many of us a car is a necessity but whether you are a millionaire or not, blowing a lot of money on a rapidly depreciating asset is not a good idea."

alpha0

If Acura could have squeezed 1.5 inches more rear legroom, this vehicle would be comparable with E series and, 5 series for rear leg room. And type S if it gets about 4.5-4.7 0-60, would have been comparable to 540xi or E53 AMG. That would have been considered a replacement to RLX in some way. Acura missed that opportunity.

ZipSpeed

My parents are worth about half that and my dad drives a 2006 CR-V to this day. But it’s all about perspective and where you came from. Both my parents grew up poor, so money for them is very different from say myself who never had to endure what they did. I don’t piss my money away but I tend to lean towards the “you live only once” mentality.

leomio85

I’m hoping not. It wouldn’t surprise me if this sales manager, who is way down the food chain, was talking out of his ass. I doubt they are given much about the logistics of the Type S.

Tesla1856

Same here.

I'm not sure about all of you, as not all reveal their ages (or what cars they currently own in sig) ... but me personally ...
I'm not going to get to buy and drive very many more cars. It would be different if I was 30-something.
I'm more in a mode of "carefully select something nice" and keep it a while.

MGP99999

Interesting that you would say that. I would say that the 2nd Gen TLX-Type S is the spiritual successor to the 4G TL 6 spd manual I currently own; minus the inch of rear legroom and front/rear headroom. This should have been the 5G TL and the 1G TLX should have never existed. As far as the RLX, on the few occasions that I have been fortunate enough to drive the RLX Sport Hybrid, I have been nothing but impressed and sad that it has been so universally underrated and ultimately discontinued. I would have loved to have seen it restyled in the way that this new TLX has been while keeping that smooth and potent hybrid power train.

sonyfever

Must be something lost in communication from Acura and the manager. Type-S is not low volume and will not be made by the elite group of people at PMC. Well, maybe for the eventual Type-S PMC fully-optioned edition, but not the regular Type-S. No way PMC can handle full lineup of Type-S models.

Tesla1856

This makes sense, and I think Audi does it similarly.

However, when I was watching AoA explain the Accord's hybrid-system, it seemed like something different. Now, I have not had a reason to research it further, but what initially came to mind is ... "no wonder they are teaming-up with GM on EVs".

Tesla1856

I like the idea of a PMC model and I understand now why it costs more (max options, special paint, etc).

But this "hand built idea" ... watching those G2 TLX assembly videos ... they all seem fairly "hand built" to me and what they are doing there seem sufficient (as long as it's done properly).

mapleloaf

Interesting that Alex on Autos, who does very thorough and objective reviews made a few errors in his TLX review. He reported a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds, which seems inconsistent with other reported times. He also mentioned at the end that, unlike other competitors, Acura didn't use real wood or metal in the interior, which is certainly not correct.

The thing he mentioned multiple times was how much fun it was to drive.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Alex may be at a different elevation - one which may be favorable for turbo performance. Or he may have some magical launch technique. The whole 0 - 60 time is one of the most pointless/irrelevant new car "features" anyways

Alex's review was out of the ordinary for him at the least - the whole "hostage video" portion spliced in at the end was very odd.

Legend2TL

Car and Driver did a est. 0-60 of 5.7 to 5.9 sec as well.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Curious to see what Edmunds and other mainstream car media get as well.

Could be mistaken but I thought Alex said the wood was real in the video

njtl99

I believe AoA was reviewing an A-spec, from what I understand the real wood is in the Advance trim.

AcuraFan1980

There are already videos online and on this thread that actually show the 0-60 for the car and it’s around 6.5ish. Eyes don’t lie ha