Tony Pac

Reviews are not there for us to make our final decisions. They are a point of reference. You watch all these reviews and pick the goods
and bad. Then you go test drive the car and see if it meets your criteria.
Kia Stinger got great reviews but so what? The car is setting and barely anyone is buying them. So a review is just there for us to get an idea. I will never buy a car based on anyone’s opinion. I will do my home and then buy.

AcuraFan1980

Yes but also ignoring some flaws and not pointing them out isn’t how a review should be. He clearly had 2 seconds of lag before pushing the gas down and then ignored it looking for something nice to say.

As someone who understands cars, I can see it and make my own decision. I would drive sport the whole time anyway and not have to worry about that as much

The issue is he needs to tell people that. What happens if a family or someone driving is in a situation where a car is coming at them and they need to immediately push that gas to get out of the way. I believe they need to be told the car won’t move for 2 seconds, which could in turn become deadly. ( yeah I know morbid but it’s true )

Tony Pac

well I don’t know about deadly. I think you are going a bit too far. But I am not an expert and won’t comment on that. There are plenty of choices, if this Car doesn’t fit anyone’s criteria, including myself. We should go and get something else. That’s all.

At this point, we have more than 5 reviews. People should read and watch those reviews, plus do their own homework and decide.

AcuraFan1980

Im deff gonna go drive it. I like the advance more than the ASpec actually. That wood is pretty sweet. I wanna see the violet in person since the videos make it black

Tesla1856

I was talking about the red grab-handle/arm-rest arrangement, not gauges.

ESHBG

Not going too far at all and it can be deadly. I've been in situations where instant throttle was the difference between a horrible accident and avoiding one.

Tesla1856

His reviews are usually much better, and that's why I (and others) have already posted calling-him-out on it. It's obviously because of his relationship with that dealer and his access to the coming TLX Type-S through them.

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16634655

Additionally, he almost always checks for a real-spare and he suspiciously skipped that step.
Pretty sure he knows how Acura trims work by now, so justifying the high price that way was lame.

BEAR-AvHistory

Remember these are not really "reviews" but more like first impressions. The reviews get real when they hook up the test gear. That said I was hoping more for "holy shit" this is great. Instead we got nice car, which everyone will agree it is, ....damming with faint praise. For the performance enthusiast it puts a lot of pressure on the V6 to deliver what is being advertised

The issue is when you take a test ride generally the dealers guy is not going to let you push the cars so you will get the same impressions as what you are reading now. Only dealer tha ever let me really push the cars hard was the locat Hendricks Porsche store. The guy with me said "run it". Might have helped that I drove up in the COBRA. At the time we ran two intenical 718S Boxsters (MT & PDK) down to the color back to back. Bought the PDK

When it gets instrumented tested you can make value judgements against the other cars & it could do better than what these impressions indicate. A tenth in response here & a hundredth of a G there are very hard to "feel" no matter what anyone claims.

AcuraFan1980

Here’s AWD

AcuraFan1980

Here’s FWD. Not sure what the hell happened here

Barbecue Tech Tips

I was disappointed how noisy the car is in A spec trim and watching AoA decibel measurement. 72db at 50mph is loud as hell for a car at this price point and a luxury sedan. The Alfa Romeo Giulia scored the same measurement of 72 DB.

I'll have to do decibel measurements with professional measuring equipment and see if its really that bad. Hell if that's accurate, any car in that class if quieter.

The RDX would come in slightly quieter than the TLX which is sad. RDX advanced clocked with acoustic side fron windows came in at 70 DB at 50mph and A spec at 71 DB

With that being said the advanced with acoustic windshield maybe would shave off 1 db if its lucky.


So you get a sedan with no cargo space, no rear passenger space, and a noiser cabin.

Still at awe that the RLX in Advanced trim was one of the quietest cars on the market and only beat by Genesis G90, Kia K900, ect. It was quieter than the 2019 Lexus ES 350.

BEAR-AvHistory

Dragy gives you two 0-60 numbers 1 ft rollout will match the magazine tests & no rollout is what you will see when you drive the car. Which number is posted?

fiatlux

Looks like the wheels spun at the 1-2 shift so traction control kicked in.

fiatlux

Wow, IIRC a very astute member here said that the TLX would perform almost identically to the RDX, maybe 0.1s better. Whoever that person is, they sound like a very smart and logical person.

dzionny_dzionassi

Thanks for video. This is real disappointment in performance and in Acura general. When you think... 17 years ago Acura TL was faster than this thing. Most sporty Acura sedan ever? 48k? for it?
I am considering myself Acura fanboy, owned/own 4 Acura's, but i cant give a pass for this model. Like they said, Acura is more performance than a luxury. But they are at luxury prices and no performance.

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fiatlux

I'd like to see how the FWD performs with the traction control off.

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I had an unfavorable debate with a few guys on the X3 FB group over Dragy times. I was baffled how his X3 M40i with a re-flash tune nailed 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. I told him to run it on the strip and post the slips. Boy did I get shredded in there. So I did my research and indeed, Dragy times are pretty damn accurate. One YouTube video showed the guy testing the dragy times while on the drag strip. Numbers nearly identical every single pass. Just my opinion, Acura knew the the TLX wasn't going to live up to the hype which is why they keep avoiding performance numbers and ask a lot of the reviewers to be more relaxed and less honest about the vehicle. I couldn't see why ANYONE would spend even north of 30K for a vehicle that clearly has drive-ability issues. The two second delay can very well be deadly when it's the difference of avoiding an accident. There are many real world scenarios where you need instant acceleration to avoid a collision. I'm very disappointed in Acura. FFS, they should have kept the N/A V6 for the base and offered the 3.0T for the type-s and I WON'T be surprised if the type-s is a complete shit show.

pyrodan007

Trying to think which model has been fully refreshed with a turbo being actually slower. Usually they're similar or a bit faster. This one is visibly inferior in acceleration.

fiatlux

The RDX comes to mind

pyrodan007

Lol I believe many did so for SUVs, but for sedans it's usually better or offer option for engines. Base for fuel and something a bit faster for diehards. The 1G TLX had a nice option for better value splitting.

fiatlux

Yeah, Dragy is surprisingly accurate. It's very consistent and has always been within 0.1s when compared to the numbers I get from the OBD2 datalogs (if anything Dragy is probably more accurate). So long as the road is flat and the conditions are good, I have no qualms about accepting Dragy numbers.

Legend2TL

still waiting on mainstream car media, long week for them. Woulda thought there'd be some numbers from C&D besides the est. and a real track sheet like below

https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1558532916.pdf

Tesla1856

Right getting T-boned can be deadly (even in this new "safer" TLX). But even an minor accident can ruin your day and the repaired car will likely never be the same.

I don't understand what happened here. When we punched the accelerator on the 2014-MDX SH-AWD ... IT WENT (like, hang-on dude) . Didn't matter what drive-mode we were in. If yall are saying this 1-2 second hesitation is due to the tranny, well that's reminiscent of how a CVT responds.

Tesla1856

It might not even spin the tires on wet pavement.

But seriously, spinning tires might look/sound cool ... but I don't think loss-of-traction makes you go any faster.

fiatlux

That's true if it's really spinning the tires, but in this case it seems like the traction control is being overly aggressive. The other problem with traction control kicking in on a turbocharged car is that when power is cut, you lose boost as well, so when the power comes back on it takes time for the turbo to spool back up. Unless you're in a high horsepower monster, it's usually better to handle wheelspin yourself rather than letting an overly-aggressive ECU cut power, especially in a small displacement turbo where you don't get much power without the turbo.

AcuraGuy2016

So the new TLX has a lot of road noise?? 🤮🤢

I thought the 3G RDX was noisy as well, and the 1G TLX (at least Tech and above) was relatively quiet, MUCH less road noise in the 1G TLX vs the 3G RDX.

Tesla1856

Gotcha.

Does a car with a SuperCharger suffer the same fate ? (I understand those are self-powered and different)

AcuraGuy2016

The 1G TLX ZF9 in all its 2015 glory and splendor quirkiness didn't have a 2 second delay. Wow. Just wow.


The ZF9 in my 2020 TLX, while it's not a sporty tranny like a ZF8 or the Sport Hybrid 7 DCT, seems "normal" to me. I would have never noticed anything about it, save for its history and discussion.

The 2015 was another story, but even that didn't have 2 seconds delays. It just jerked and had trouble remaining in a gear at lower speeds (20-30mph city driving). Occasionally the 2015 would delay 0.5s and then slam jerk. But no 2 second delay.

fiatlux

Nope, superchargers are belt driven so they feel a lot more like a naturally aspirated engine.

AcuraGuy2016

Believe me, I really liked the 2G RDX. I was about to pull the trigger on a 2018 AWD Advance, but a flooding natural disaster occurred in my region obliterating inventory and deals for the rest of that generation. I hated the 3G so much because of the slower unrefined jerky engine and the terrible road noise. It was such a lousy value to me, that we ended up with a 2019 MDX Sport Hybrid that we love.

dmski

Apsolutely agree. Releasing an all new Gen which is a lot slower/nosiy/and laggy at a higher price leaves me perplexed. It's quite possible that the Type S will not crack 4 seconds mark and there are a lot of questions how reliable this car will be given their latest track record. The car is off my list. Looking at Germans now. Thanks for making my decision easy.

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My TL is supercharged and the response is instant. It's also a manual so that also helps with the responsiveness. As for both of my X3's, they are also responsive. The M40i is the better of the two even though they both have the same transmission. I know the software for the M40i is different. Since doing a re-flash tune on both, they drive more "alive" and less held back. On my base X3, I have encountered instances where in ECO Pro mode, the acceleration response was delayed by a second. From my research on the forums, this is a normal function due to the way they designed the eco pro mode with throttle response / fuel economy. However, in any drive mode under full throttle, the "power" to the wheels is the same. This was verified by others including myself when I had the M40i on rollers.

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If you plan on buying the M340i, I highly suggest picking one up slightly used and saving a nice amount of money. With a re-flash tune, the damn thing will be a monster. As car guys, it's one of the best feelings knowing that you could put the hurting on nearly every vehicle on the road and give some of the bigger boys a run for their money, as long as their stock

AcuraGuy2016

Not to sound like a broken record, but THIS is exactly why I picked up a 2020 TLX V6 Tech for $10k off. If I wanted to spend the $45-50k the new TLX demands, NO WAY would I get a 2G, it would be German all the way.

If you want to spend that to get a vehicle that actually performs, you can get an RLX Sport Hybrid. Sure the infotainment is crap, but it performs, is super quiet, and the interior size is more practical. But if spending that much, I'd really go German.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I think that's going off the reading Alex On Autos took - I've seen other reviews speak to how quiet it is.

sonyfever

FWD acceleration is hilarious. It was a complete chaos by the various control modules fighting each other. Traction control pulled timing, then fuel-cut kicked in, then the ECU seemed really confused - cut throttle or/and short shift from 2nd to 3rd, thus rpm went from 7k to 4k.

Better buy SH-AWD.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

This is what happens when there is too much engine power applied solely to the front wheels. Can't beat science.

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Or crappy tires and transmission