Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
12-02-2009, 09:55 AM
#2401
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
12-02-2009, 11:49 AM
#2402
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most of the piping and the turbo's just got out of coating... the look pretty fucking sweet....the piping was also changed a bit so you can put back all the engine panels and the turbo is a bit lower so the battery cover will fit even though there is no battery there...its looks pure sleeper that way..... well a TL on boost is sleeper in general....... you guys should have a good Christmas this year. Things are still on schedule and Rodney is working around the clock to make sure that he keeps his word which is why i'm the one that's updating you.
12-02-2009, 12:54 PM
#2403
most of the piping and the turbo's just got out of coating... the look pretty fucking sweet....the piping was also changed a bit so you can put back all the engine panels and the turbo is a bit lower so the battery cover will fit even though there is no battery there...its looks pure sleeper that way..... well a TL on boost is sleeper in general....... you guys should have a good Christmas this year. Things are still on schedule and Rodney is working around the clock to make sure that he keeps his word which is why i'm the one that's updating you.
12-02-2009, 02:56 PM
#2404
most of the piping and the turbo's just got out of coating... the look pretty fucking sweet....the piping was also changed a bit so you can put back all the engine panels and the turbo is a bit lower so the battery cover will fit even though there is no battery there...its looks pure sleeper that way..... well a TL on boost is sleeper in general....... you guys should have a good Christmas this year. Things are still on schedule and Rodney is working around the clock to make sure that he keeps his word which is why i'm the one that's updating you.
heres some supra vids to pass the time. not the best ones but i love these 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vms3ihqMNAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmNy-ajRV0U
listen to this sting spool omg
12-02-2009, 05:15 PM
#2406
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
WTF! 
12-03-2009, 11:08 AM
#2408
Burning Brakes
Kn-Tl , silva types , thanks for passing along updates , yes we did quoyte november but im honestly glad to see everyone understands our delay which we have kept everyone updated , but for the most part everything is getting close to completed coating taking a little longet than usual , but we did get a few pieces in already ill ask silva types to post pics this weekend .........and get a ship date as soon as pipes are all done coating .....and to the first customers we will accomodate the wait by offering a free map with higher tune when you decide to upgrade .....thnks for support and patience..
12-03-2009, 08:21 PM
#2412
Burning Brakes
^^Clutch isnt totally ready yet, just the disc so far and we would really like to test this out before we release it due to horror stories about our trans breaking ,to date we are yet to break any all the way up to 479hp 479lb tq ,which was achieved with stock flywheel ,stock pressure plte and our upgraded disc.........
as far as higher tune pass 430whp ,we are experimenting with aem water injection which probably will be required for a stock motor pass those level for safety ........
500whp daily driven id say time for a set of pistons at least .........
or if not id say water injection and race gas ,as far as rods ill let nva av6 post his recomendation on where he believes a rod change is absolutely necessary.....
beggining of the new year we will video tape a session and go as high as the motor will hold til it fails then i think we will all know how much possible boost will the j hold before it spits it guts out......
as far as higher tune pass 430whp ,we are experimenting with aem water injection which probably will be required for a stock motor pass those level for safety ........
500whp daily driven id say time for a set of pistons at least .........
or if not id say water injection and race gas ,as far as rods ill let nva av6 post his recomendation on where he believes a rod change is absolutely necessary.....
beggining of the new year we will video tape a session and go as high as the motor will hold til it fails then i think we will all know how much possible boost will the j hold before it spits it guts out......
12-04-2009, 12:34 AM
#2419
Kn-Tl , silva types , thanks for passing along updates , yes we did quoyte november but im honestly glad to see everyone understands our delay which we have kept everyone updated , but for the most part everything is getting close to completed coating taking a little longet than usual , but we did get a few pieces in already ill ask silva types to post pics this weekend .........and get a ship date as soon as pipes are all done coating .....and to the first customers we will accomodate the wait by offering a free map with higher tune when you decide to upgrade .....thnks for support and patience..
will the new map be a tune of our choice? i think i would be happy with 400whp. but that might get old after a while loli havent bought one yet and im probably not going to buy it right away. since the kit will be tuned for a specific level of boost, im going to leave it alone for a while and see how my car handles the boost before i touch anything.
you dont need a boost controller. you can just turn the spring on the wastegate.
12-04-2009, 04:54 AM
#2420
For those of you who want to also get a boost controller I would seriously consider upgrading to a FIC-8, it has a boost controller built in as well as tunable input for IAT and extra injector outputs that can be used to control water/meth injection. The current wire harness and maps for the FIC-6 will work with it, it has a extra plug that has the extended features on it and with it's dual tune capability you could hae both a cruise map including boost level and a track map.
Last edited by NVA-AV6; 12-04-2009 at 04:57 AM.
12-04-2009, 12:12 PM
#2421
For those of you who want to also get a boost controller I would seriously consider upgrading to a FIC-8, it has a boost controller built in as well as tunable input for IAT and extra injector outputs that can be used to control water/meth injection. The current wire harness and maps for the FIC-6 will work with it, it has a extra plug that has the extended features on it and with it's dual tune capability you could hae both a cruise map including boost level and a track map.
What are we looking at price wise between the two? I guess I thought the FIC 8 was for v8's.
On another note is anyone using a IAT gauge for this build? I think Opel has one but I haven't been able to find any.
12-04-2009, 12:55 PM
#2422
I believe the two are within $200 of each other (the same cost as a boost controller). As for a IAT Gauge, just use any temp gauge and put the sensor in the air stream.
12-04-2009, 09:39 PM
#2425
Hi Speed and Libert69, how badly do you want it immediately? Rodney would be willing to do the f/ic-8 but as usual, they don't want to release it untested. Was there a 4th or 5th person who paid as well? I PM'd one on the list but was told they were backing out.
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
12-04-2009, 09:56 PM
#2426
Rodney answered already. We would all need to agree to this and with the holiday's would put the ship date to mid-January.
I was planning on doing the AEM Tru-Boost which appears to be around $300 so the $200 upgrade to the 8 and the boost control solenoid (~$100) would be a wash.
What do you all think? Worth it?
I was planning on doing the AEM Tru-Boost which appears to be around $300 so the $200 upgrade to the 8 and the boost control solenoid (~$100) would be a wash.
What do you all think? Worth it?
12-04-2009, 10:23 PM
#2427
Rodney answered already. We would all need to agree to this and with the holiday's would put the ship date to mid-January.
I was planning on doing the AEM Tru-Boost which appears to be around $300 so the $200 upgrade to the 8 and the boost control solenoid (~$100) would be a wash.
What do you all think? Worth it?
I was planning on doing the AEM Tru-Boost which appears to be around $300 so the $200 upgrade to the 8 and the boost control solenoid (~$100) would be a wash.
What do you all think? Worth it?
12-05-2009, 12:24 AM
#2428
Three Wheelin'
Hi Speed and Libert69, how badly do you want it immediately? Rodney would be willing to do the f/ic-8 but as usual, they don't want to release it untested. Was there a 4th or 5th person who paid as well? I PM'd one on the list but was told they were backing out.
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
it doesnt matter what the manual says..and it isn't intended for meth injections...FIC 8 is indeed meant for an 8 cylinder engine, but you can use that on 6 as well, and you end up with 2 spare channels... the way it works is, the channels are like dry contacts, that based on another input (boost for example) can allow a certain voltage to pass through, thus enabling an injector to spray (their spray capacity is voltage controlled)...so you could use one extra channel for the water/meth pump...once it sees say, 4 psi, the channel (contact) would allow say 9 volts to pass through (water/meth pumps have variable speeds), which could have the pump run at its 50% capacity, then maybe at 7 psi, you could have it allow 12 volts, which enables the pump to run at full blast.
This is all done statically though software, so im just simply trying to tell why it works by generating a simple description
now the Snow Performance II has its own little sweet controller that works flawlessly...also with low boost controlls, which allows u to start spraying from as low as 1 psi, and 2nd setting wherever u want... this is something the AEM unit lacks, since its lowest setting starts at 6 psi...something most SC guys can't even use..they can however use its full blast setting.
12-05-2009, 09:40 AM
#2429
Not to answer for NVA A6 but...
it doesnt matter what the manual says..and it isn't intended for meth injections...FIC 8 is indeed meant for an 8 cylinder engine, but you can use that on 6 as well, and you end up with 2 spare channels... the way it works is, the channels are like dry contacts, that based on another input (boost for example) can allow a certain voltage to pass through, thus enabling an injector to spray (their spray capacity is voltage controlled)...so you could use one extra channel for the water/meth pump...once it sees say, 4 psi, the channel (contact) would allow say 9 volts to pass through (water/meth pumps have variable speeds), which could have the pump run at its 50% capacity, then maybe at 7 psi, you could have it allow 12 volts, which enables the pump to run at full blast.
This is all done statically though software, so im just simply trying to tell why it works by generating a simple description
now the Snow Performance II has its own little sweet controller that works flawlessly...also with low boost controlls, which allows u to start spraying from as low as 1 psi, and 2nd setting wherever u want... this is something the AEM unit lacks, since its lowest setting starts at 6 psi...something most SC guys can't even use..they can however use its full blast setting.
it doesnt matter what the manual says..and it isn't intended for meth injections...FIC 8 is indeed meant for an 8 cylinder engine, but you can use that on 6 as well, and you end up with 2 spare channels... the way it works is, the channels are like dry contacts, that based on another input (boost for example) can allow a certain voltage to pass through, thus enabling an injector to spray (their spray capacity is voltage controlled)...so you could use one extra channel for the water/meth pump...once it sees say, 4 psi, the channel (contact) would allow say 9 volts to pass through (water/meth pumps have variable speeds), which could have the pump run at its 50% capacity, then maybe at 7 psi, you could have it allow 12 volts, which enables the pump to run at full blast.
This is all done statically though software, so im just simply trying to tell why it works by generating a simple description
now the Snow Performance II has its own little sweet controller that works flawlessly...also with low boost controlls, which allows u to start spraying from as low as 1 psi, and 2nd setting wherever u want... this is something the AEM unit lacks, since its lowest setting starts at 6 psi...something most SC guys can't even use..they can however use its full blast setting.
I haven't done much reading on the meth injection but would this be a simple binary function (on/off). Or does meth injection systems have variable spray levels?
12-05-2009, 10:35 AM
#2430
Three Wheelin'
now the Snow Performance II has its own little sweet controller that works flawlessly...also with low boost controlls, which allows u to start spraying from as low as 1 psi, and 2nd setting wherever u want... this is something the AEM unit lacks, since its lowest setting starts at 6 psi...something most SC guys can't even use..they can however use its full blast setting.
so lets say ure running 10 psi.... first setting at 3 psi. The pump starts spraying at a certain capacity, say 50%....then the next setting at 6 psi, would go on full blast, 100% capacity
12-05-2009, 10:42 AM
#2431
as i said above...there's 2 adjustable settings on the snow performance controller... one is for the low boost setting, which starts spraying as low as 1 psi if u set it...then it goes on full blast on the next boost level setting..
so lets say ure running 10 psi.... first setting at 3 psi. The pump starts spraying at a certain capacity, say 50%....then the next setting at 6 psi, would go on full blast, 100% capacity
so lets say ure running 10 psi.... first setting at 3 psi. The pump starts spraying at a certain capacity, say 50%....then the next setting at 6 psi, would go on full blast, 100% capacity
12-05-2009, 03:27 PM
#2432
as i said above...there's 2 adjustable settings on the snow performance controller... one is for the low boost setting, which starts spraying as low as 1 psi if u set it...then it goes on full blast on the next boost level setting..
so lets say ure running 10 psi.... first setting at 3 psi. The pump starts spraying at a certain capacity, say 50%....then the next setting at 6 psi, would go on full blast, 100% capacity
so lets say ure running 10 psi.... first setting at 3 psi. The pump starts spraying at a certain capacity, say 50%....then the next setting at 6 psi, would go on full blast, 100% capacity
3psi: 10%
6.5psi: 50%
10psi: 100%
It's nice cuz you can adjust these settings on the fly.
12-05-2009, 07:15 PM
#2433
Three Wheelin'
I was just going to say this. The controller for the SP meth kit is like $100 and will progressively spray between the boost amounts you set. The bottom limit you set will start spraying 10% (of nozzle setting) and will ramp all the way up to 100% at the top boost setting. So in the above example:
3psi: 10%
6.5psi: 50%
10psi: 100%
It's nice cuz you can adjust these settings on the fly.
3psi: 10%
6.5psi: 50%
10psi: 100%
It's nice cuz you can adjust these settings on the fly.
and i wanna add this...once its set, while you tune ur car...you dont have to readjust anything...it works on its own completely and no readjusting is necessary.
you can simply install that in the engine bay too and just leave it there. It is also designed to withstand engine bay environment, so worries about it going bad.
I have not had any problems with it (or the whole kit) whatsoever, since installed 7-8 months ago
this controller comes with the stage II kit..as opposed to stage I, which is a simple on/off controller...
they also have other digital controllers that are more advanced and fancy, lcd display and all that..IMO they're not worth it, bcs you dont really need them!
ill try and snap a pic of the controller in the engine bay and its setting controlls
12-05-2009, 07:53 PM
#2435
I think Liberty 69 is auto. People with superchargers have been running the auto to at least 300 WHP. I think someone said you can save the tranny somewhat by not flooring it while the car shifts. Only time will tell, there maybe a way to increase line pressure which should help.
12-05-2009, 10:20 PM
#2436
Safety Car
Regarding the auto trans - I would suggest using Mobil1 Synthetic ATF. Get that Z1 out of the trans.
The Z1 has friction-reducing modifiers that cause the clutch packs to slip some. Why? To provide that pusss... sorry.... to provide that "smooooth" shift that most people like.
I like a manly, harsh shift. The Mobil1 Synthetic ATF will make the clutch packs handle more power becuase the Mobil1 Synthetic ATF has little or no friction-reduction modifiers.
For the turbo, you will be wanting the clutch packs to grip, not to be slipping to provide "smooth" oem shifts.
The Z1 has friction-reducing modifiers that cause the clutch packs to slip some. Why? To provide that pusss... sorry.... to provide that "smooooth" shift that most people like.
I like a manly, harsh shift. The Mobil1 Synthetic ATF will make the clutch packs handle more power becuase the Mobil1 Synthetic ATF has little or no friction-reduction modifiers.
For the turbo, you will be wanting the clutch packs to grip, not to be slipping to provide "smooth" oem shifts.
12-06-2009, 03:24 AM
#2437
Hi Speed and Libert69, how badly do you want it immediately? Rodney would be willing to do the f/ic-8 but as usual, they don't want to release it untested. Was there a 4th or 5th person who paid as well? I PM'd one on the list but was told they were backing out.
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
NVA-A6, I quickly looked at the manual for the 8 and didn't see anything about using the unused injector channels for meth injection. Can you elaborate on this further? I was planning on a Stage 2 Snow. Would this change?
and the other thing is this. my girlfriend is paying for the installation of the kit as my Christmas present and if its not done by around that time shes gonna be pissed lol.
What other advantages does the fic-8 offer over the fic-6 besides what was already mentioned?
12-06-2009, 03:29 AM
#2439
Regarding the auto trans - I would suggest using Mobil1 Synthetic ATF. Get that Z1 out of the trans.
The Z1 has friction-reducing modifiers that cause the clutch packs to slip some. Why? To provide that pusss... sorry.... to provide that "smooooth" shift that most people like.
I like a manly, harsh shift. The Mobil1 Synthetic ATF will make the clutch packs handle more power becuase the Mobil1 Synthetic ATF has little or no friction-reduction modifiers.
For the turbo, you will be wanting the clutch packs to grip, not to be slipping to provide "smooth" oem shifts.
The Z1 has friction-reducing modifiers that cause the clutch packs to slip some. Why? To provide that pusss... sorry.... to provide that "smooooth" shift that most people like.
I like a manly, harsh shift. The Mobil1 Synthetic ATF will make the clutch packs handle more power becuase the Mobil1 Synthetic ATF has little or no friction-reduction modifiers.
For the turbo, you will be wanting the clutch packs to grip, not to be slipping to provide "smooth" oem shifts.
12-06-2009, 12:47 PM
#2440
Team Owner
im usings amsoil synthetic atf now and ive done 4 drain and fills in the past month. the shifts seem a tad quicker with the amsoil. amsoil has friction modifiers in it and thats why i bought it instead of the redline d4. im still wondering if i should have gone with the redline d4 but either way, both of these fluids are much better then the z1
You may be thinking of viscosity index improvers. The less the better as long as the fluid meets the cold flow requirements which any synthetic will do. I know for a fact Amsoil ATD has no VIIs and I'm pretty sure D4 has none either. This is a good thing for fluid life and robustness in an auto trans, especially one that shares fluid with the differential.
You can have nice smooth shifts and have a shorter trans life or harder shifts and a longer life. With the DBW throttle partially closing the throttle on upshifts you don't feel the difference as much. On my old car the difference between fluids is night and day with no computer controls.