Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
12-06-2009, 12:47 PM
#2441
I don't really know too much about meth injections but rodney told me a while ago that I wouldn't need one unless I started to go over the 430whp range. For the time being Im going to stick with the basic tune of 375whp or so and really learn all the in's and out's of keeping my TL running flawlessly on daily basis at this level since this is my DD. Then once I see that everything is running peachy, Ill start upgrading to bigger and better things like a meth kit and so on.
and the other thing is this. my girlfriend is paying for the installation of the kit as my Christmas present and if its not done by around that time shes gonna be pissed lol.
What other advantages does the fic-8 offer over the fic-6 besides what was already mentioned?
and the other thing is this. my girlfriend is paying for the installation of the kit as my Christmas present and if its not done by around that time shes gonna be pissed lol.
What other advantages does the fic-8 offer over the fic-6 besides what was already mentioned?
The main reason to upgrade (to me anyway) would be to have an integrated boost controller along with the ability to store more than 1 map.
I am also going to be installing a carputer so it's not as big a deal for me. If you look at the feature differences, I just figured it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I've PM'd Rodney and told him to go ahead with the original plan as he wanted us all to agree to it. It's no problem for me.
Last edited by KN_TL; 12-06-2009 at 12:49 PM.
12-06-2009, 12:57 PM
#2442
Team Owner
On the subject of boost controllers, you can get a slight loss in spool time depending on which wastegate and which boost controller you're using.
Many wastegates begin to crack open way before full boost is reached. You can keep it shut longer with a good boost controller assuming the wastegate is large enough to handle opening later.
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.
Many wastegates begin to crack open way before full boost is reached. You can keep it shut longer with a good boost controller assuming the wastegate is large enough to handle opening later.
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.
12-06-2009, 01:03 PM
#2443
I planned on running meth no matter what for the peace of mind of having the extra octane. Looking into this further and based on what Opel said, a Snow Stage II is self contained and to do something using the F/IC would be more complicated.
The main reason to upgrade (to me anyway) would be to have an integrated boost controller along with the ability to store more than 1 map.
I am also going to be installing a carputer so it's not as big a deal for me. If you look at the feature differences, I just figured it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I've PM'd Rodney and told him to go ahead with the original plan as he wanted us all to agree to it. It's no problem for me.
The main reason to upgrade (to me anyway) would be to have an integrated boost controller along with the ability to store more than 1 map.
I am also going to be installing a carputer so it's not as big a deal for me. If you look at the feature differences, I just figured it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I've PM'd Rodney and told him to go ahead with the original plan as he wanted us all to agree to it. It's no problem for me.
Sounds good. I just want to get kit asap. The ability to run two maps would be nice, but the wait is killin me. I think I might be 2k in suporting parts already and I am making Summit orders daily.
12-06-2009, 03:09 PM
#2444
I planned on running meth no matter what for the peace of mind of having the extra octane. Looking into this further and based on what Opel said, a Snow Stage II is self contained and to do something using the F/IC would be more complicated.
The main reason to upgrade (to me anyway) would be to have an integrated boost controller along with the ability to store more than 1 map.
I am also going to be installing a carputer so it's not as big a deal for me. If you look at the feature differences, I just figured it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I've PM'd Rodney and told him to go ahead with the original plan as he wanted us all to agree to it. It's no problem for me.
The main reason to upgrade (to me anyway) would be to have an integrated boost controller along with the ability to store more than 1 map.
I am also going to be installing a carputer so it's not as big a deal for me. If you look at the feature differences, I just figured it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I've PM'd Rodney and told him to go ahead with the original plan as he wanted us all to agree to it. It's no problem for me.
the ability to have 2 maps is a really nice feature of the fic-8. i like the idea of being able to cruise all day on lets say 6psi and if want to play with a new m3 i can change to a higher boost with a second map. but like u guys, im so eager to get this kit that i dont want to wait any longer either.
12-06-2009, 03:23 PM
#2445
hcars;11547640]
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.[/QUOTE]
i was thinking the same thing about a progressive kit also but wasnt too sure. thanks for clearing that up. ill be getting a kit in the near future thats for sure.
how much more hp would you see using meth at the same level of boost?
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.[/QUOTE]
i was thinking the same thing about a progressive kit also but wasnt too sure. thanks for clearing that up. ill be getting a kit in the near future thats for sure.
how much more hp would you see using meth at the same level of boost?
12-06-2009, 05:58 PM
#2447
Ok
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
12-06-2009, 06:31 PM
#2448
Team Owner
hcars;11547640]
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.
For meth injection, my personal preference is to get a progressive kit and forget it. Using the FIC8 to trigger something like nitrous would be a great idea but the meth is already well controlled and progressive kits are available that will control it better than the FIC8 can.
Meth might not be necessary at the lower boost levels but you will make more power and be in a much safer zone.
how much more hp would you see using meth at the same level of boost?[/quote]
If you did pure meth, you might see a 5% power gain, sometimes more (that's what I've seen) at the same boost level but again, less chance of detonation especially if you like to run it hard through all the gears.
In the winter less of a gain but in the summer it feels the same as winter.....almost.
Turbo cars slow down more in the summer and get much faster in the winter. Heck, they're much faster at night vs the day. More of a difference than when you're NA. The meth makes it much more like winter all the time.
12-06-2009, 08:11 PM
#2449
Ok
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
IM 75a?
heres something im not quite understanding. if we are getting one map pretuned and installed to lets 7psi making 375whp, then why do you need a boost controller? can u up to the boost to lets say 10psi for example and still use the current map without problems?
...still educating myself here
12-06-2009, 08:17 PM
#2450
If you did pure meth, you might see a 5% power gain, sometimes more (that's what I've seen) at the same boost level but again, less chance of detonation especially if you like to run it hard through all the gears.
In the winter less of a gain but in the summer it feels the same as winter.....almost.
Turbo cars slow down more in the summer and get much faster in the winter. Heck, they're much faster at night vs the day. More of a difference than when you're NA. The meth makes it much more like winter all the time.
In the winter less of a gain but in the summer it feels the same as winter.....almost.
Turbo cars slow down more in the summer and get much faster in the winter. Heck, they're much faster at night vs the day. More of a difference than when you're NA. The meth makes it much more like winter all the time.
IHC, i made a DIY thread for the tranny cooler. i just found out that there is only 1.5 inches max between the intercooler and the a/c condenser. my trans cooler is 1.5 inches thick already. what are my options here? ive seen some coolers that are .75 inches thick. should i get a thinner one but longer and wider to compensate? what do you think?
12-06-2009, 08:57 PM
#2451
thats a good way to descirbe it. makes sense to me.
IHC, i made a DIY thread for the tranny cooler. i just found out that there is only 1.5 inches max between the intercooler and the a/c condenser. my trans cooler is 1.5 inches thick already. what are my options here? ive seen some coolers that are .75 inches thick. should i get a thinner one but longer and wider to compensate? what do you think?
IHC, i made a DIY thread for the tranny cooler. i just found out that there is only 1.5 inches max between the intercooler and the a/c condenser. my trans cooler is 1.5 inches thick already. what are my options here? ive seen some coolers that are .75 inches thick. should i get a thinner one but longer and wider to compensate? what do you think?
As far as the boost controller. I think I will need it as I get higher power tunes. I am not sure if I can turn the boost up or down without a new tune. Not that I would let this happen, but say the wife drove the car and the boost needed to be turned down. I am almost thinking 85 A since tripplebets is having so much trouble with the softer bushings. I would like to wait for Excelerate's mounts but I don't think I can wait.
12-06-2009, 10:29 PM
#2453
Team Owner
12-07-2009, 05:38 AM
#2458
Ok
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
1. Meth kit
2. New engine mounts
3. Boost controller
4. Oil cooler
5. Oil temp gauge W/ carbonfiber gauge cup
6. Coolant temp gauge to used as a IAT gauge
7. Clutch slave cylinder to do removal mod
8. Better rims and tires to help with traction
9. Electric exhaust cut out with 2.5" y pipe. I am keeping the quads.
10. All black 8- AN fittings and nylon braided hose.
12-07-2009, 07:21 AM
#2459
I agree that using a advanced Meth controller would be better, my thought was more of a control for the controller where again if just doing mild street crusing/daily driving you can use the FIC to completely shut off the controller so that it completely turns off the injection system thru a relay.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
12-07-2009, 08:22 AM
#2460
Team Owner
I agree that using a advanced Meth controller would be better, my thought was more of a control for the controller where again if just doing mild street crusing/daily driving you can use the FIC to completely shut off the controller so that it completely turns off the injection system thru a relay.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
12-07-2009, 09:42 AM
#2461
12-07-2009, 10:22 AM
#2463
J36Twingt28r's,nextgt30r
yeah ^^ agreed. i can't wait to hear the reviews and see what this kit can do. hey paul the j36 u build will it handle 10psi? just making sure, and what do i need to do to make it push more psi, like 12-14 psi?
12-07-2009, 10:49 AM
#2465
I agree that using a advanced Meth controller would be better, my thought was more of a control for the controller where again if just doing mild street crusing/daily driving you can use the FIC to completely shut off the controller so that it completely turns off the injection system thru a relay.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
I don't know about most of you, but building FI vehicles for a number of years I have been waiting for such a simple way of having a dual tune as the FIC-8 provides, think of it this way, do you really want to push everything to it's limit on the street all the time while going back and forth to work/school or would you rather save the extra stress until you really want it for theat weekend track session. Thru a simple process of shutting off the car, flicking a switch and re-starting you can completely change the vehicle.
Of course have different fuel and timing maps.
Since boost control is built in you can got from a 4-5PSI street to a 10+PSI race.
Thru the analog channels on the car you can control and even tune.....
----Turn on and off meth injection.
----Control fans to provide xtra cooling
----Open a exhaust cutout at high RPMs
----Even have a fuel cell in the trunk with it's own pump filled with C16 and use a flow control solinoid to select between street gas and race gas.
The flexability avalible allows for a mild mannered street machine that then with a single switch throw can change to a real beast, a true Jeckel and Hyde, with good daily driving gas milage and higher reliability.
12-07-2009, 11:03 AM
#2466
Go ahead and run at first with what they send for now, latter when you upgrade to the 8 let me know and I am sure I can find a good home for your 6, I am building plenty of NA/SC Js.
12-07-2009, 02:25 PM
#2469
12-07-2009, 02:27 PM
#2470
I'm a little different than libert69 and yourself where I haven't done or bought anything yet. But with this, since it is something we all would do 'eventually', I just think we're missing an opportunity to make sure it's right by the very people who are taking such care to make sure we get working it as it should.
Last edited by KN_TL; 12-07-2009 at 02:32 PM.
12-07-2009, 02:46 PM
#2471
Right now, J&R has a friction disc and I think they're going to be working on a full kit.
But it would be good to know there's an alternative if I eat mine before they have something ready.
12-07-2009, 03:04 PM
#2472
So you don't think it's worth a few weeks of time to have the best people test it out for us?
I'm a little different than libert69 and yourself where I haven't done or bought anything yet. But with this, since it is something we all would do 'eventually', I just think we're missing an opportunity to make sure it's right by the very people who are taking such care to make sure we get working it as it should.
I'm a little different than libert69 and yourself where I haven't done or bought anything yet. But with this, since it is something we all would do 'eventually', I just think we're missing an opportunity to make sure it's right by the very people who are taking such care to make sure we get working it as it should.
12-07-2009, 03:11 PM
#2473
My concern is not the wait time, but the additional cost to Rodney for having to test and maybe retune. How long are we talking if we go with the FIC-8? It is just a matter of pluging the tunes into the FIC-8 and maybe playing with the other fuctons, this wouldn't push back the delevery date too much and that would be fine. If it is going to add significant time to the kits release date maybe just stick to the FIC-6.
12-07-2009, 03:31 PM
#2475
J36Twingt28r's,nextgt30r
thumbs up for testing for a perfect tune. PAUL u are a true genius i love the idea of being able to switch from a DD 5psi tuned car to a Track 10+psi tuned car with a flip of a switch! this will make for a very practical yet fun car!! i love it guys keep the ingenuity going, im learning alot just from this thread 
12-07-2009, 05:45 PM
#2476
I'm almost 90% sure I will buying this turbo and instead of getting a M3. I will pursuing a custom built LS7 car as my project and my Turbo TL as my DD. Going to start getting some essentials for some good track runs such as RSB, Strut Bar, and suspension. Just not 100% sure when I will be putting deposit/full payment for the turbo.
12-07-2009, 07:08 PM
#2477
USSI, can you tell me what you got from CM? I assume you had to send in a stock FW to get the ring swapped?
Right now, J&R has a friction disc and I think they're going to be working on a full kit.
But it would be good to know there's an alternative if I eat mine before they have something ready.
Right now, J&R has a friction disc and I think they're going to be working on a full kit.
But it would be good to know there's an alternative if I eat mine before they have something ready.
12-07-2009, 07:34 PM
#2478
Team Owner
I'm almost 90% sure I will buying this turbo and instead of getting a M3. I will pursuing a custom built LS7 car as my project and my Turbo TL as my DD. Going to start getting some essentials for some good track runs such as RSB, Strut Bar, and suspension. Just not 100% sure when I will be putting deposit/full payment for the turbo.
What are the goals for the LS7?
12-08-2009, 05:23 AM
#2480
I hope I'm not being stubborn here when I say Id rather stick with the 6 over the 8 and prevent you guys from getting what you really want. If both of you want the 8 then why couldn't Rodney just send my kit with the 6 (since its basically done) and work on incorporating the 8 for you guys?
Like i said before....2 maps seems like a great idea. But for me, I don't see it being practical. I'm scarred sh*tless as it is with my auto tranny getting an extra 175hp or so. Only time will tell how it handles the extra power. Anything more then that and I feel like im asking for trouble. We'll just have to wait and see. If you guys remember way back when this thread started, Banelba destroyed his auto trans only a few days (I believe) after having his turbo installed. I don't even know what kind of power he was putting down.
The other reason is this. I don't go to the track or autoX my car. The only times I really get on my car is on the highway with other drivers. If I had 2 maps installed, I think I would be very tempted to use the more powerful tune more times then not when daily driving and I would probably run into more problems that I can handle.
On a another note, I said before that I have to change my tranny cooler because i found out it wont fit with the intercooler. I found a few plate coolers that are .75" thick and I think that will give me enough clearance. From what Ive read, it seems that plate coolers achieve lower temps and tube and fin achieve better flow. B&M has the same cooler i have now but with a thickness of .75" vs 1.5". Would this be a wise choice or should I go for something that Hi Speed recommend which is long narrow cooler? most of the longer coolers are tube and fin design though..what to do what to do...........
Like i said before....2 maps seems like a great idea. But for me, I don't see it being practical. I'm scarred sh*tless as it is with my auto tranny getting an extra 175hp or so. Only time will tell how it handles the extra power. Anything more then that and I feel like im asking for trouble. We'll just have to wait and see. If you guys remember way back when this thread started, Banelba destroyed his auto trans only a few days (I believe) after having his turbo installed. I don't even know what kind of power he was putting down.
The other reason is this. I don't go to the track or autoX my car. The only times I really get on my car is on the highway with other drivers. If I had 2 maps installed, I think I would be very tempted to use the more powerful tune more times then not when daily driving and I would probably run into more problems that I can handle.
On a another note, I said before that I have to change my tranny cooler because i found out it wont fit with the intercooler. I found a few plate coolers that are .75" thick and I think that will give me enough clearance. From what Ive read, it seems that plate coolers achieve lower temps and tube and fin achieve better flow. B&M has the same cooler i have now but with a thickness of .75" vs 1.5". Would this be a wise choice or should I go for something that Hi Speed recommend which is long narrow cooler? most of the longer coolers are tube and fin design though..what to do what to do...........