TheChamp531

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Oh, but it can. Easy suspension upgrades. ZR1 and Viper are considered as American Muscles-- look at there times.

BostonSilverTypeS

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73922217@N06/6663425345/

KN_TL

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Holes will not be on the top like mine. It is for a plate I attach to protect the connections on either end.

swoosh

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i know but look at the prices as well....i was talking more in the S2000/TL/ price range LOL /offtopic

look at the torque curve, scratch that, torque flat line.....

any reason why your TQ is only 222 ? I was thinking HP and TQ to be in the neighborhood like 279HP 250ish TQ.....

EDIT: thanks for posting those pix up

KN_TL

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What's the 3 cycle trick? What I meant by same experience is it would crank for a second or two and then fire up. In stock form, it would fire up immediately. With the FIC, it would start but sounded like a carburetor that was pumped one time too many.

KN_TL

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Here is bmeyers install under the drivers seat with the longer harness.

BostonSilverTypeS

yes that was a run during the tuning session so Doc the tuner was messing with different scenarios inputing numbers!! with all the excitement afterwards i forgot to take a pic of the final numbers which were 281/246 and Rodney forgot as well but hey I can live with saying it does 222 torque and then surprise folks on the street



3cycles by turning key to on position right before start up 3x on/off and then going to start up the vehicle starts right up on weather above 30ish or so!! Rodney said something about the TL's starting relay or something having to do with the alarm but I forget maybe he can clarify it when he gets a chance, but am getting a fix soon!!! I personally didn't mind cycling the key 3x but he said if someone really did not want to do that he could fix that as well it would just take more time and which I really didnt have at the time I was there

Inaccurate

No and no.

No, the oem O2 is not a narrowband. The oem O2 is a wideband.

No, you can't tap the signal coming from the oem O2. The signal coming from the oem O2 is proprietary to Honda and the MS or aftermarket gauges can't interpret the signal

Joey tl

Payment Sent Rodney or please confirm. JnR ECU and knock monitor and shipped to Canada.

swoosh

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let me go couple pages back and read....i thought i read something back there....

but thanks for correcting me, if am wrong....

Joey need a little info from you:
04 Base 5at/6mt ?
Name ?
I thought you said you wanted the AEM Wideband controller as well, did you include that in the payment ? of did you decide otherwise....?

if you feel uncomfy to answer this out in the open, PM me

Joey tl

Swoosh, I sent $1360.00 for the ECU and the knock monitor and $35.00 for shipping to Canada. I have a 2004 Acura TL M/T 6 speed. My mods are RV6 HFC, RV6 V-3 J-Pipe, ATLP catback exhaust, AEM intake and P2R throttle body spacer. thanks, my name is Jose Botelho

r3devi7

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Payment Sent.

Swoosh, sent you a Pm for your spread sheet!

anx1300c

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Alex, I'll take a 2012 Mustang GT Premium, with Brembos, HID's and the 3.73 axle for $37,515 please.

That's a pretty slick set up. I wonder if there's room under the center console?

libert69

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What do you mean interpret the signal? A 3rd party software converting the signal to a readable decibel number for the a/f (14.7 etc) ??

Inaccurate

For the sake of discussion, I will say that each brand of O2 sensor has it's own Voltage-to-Lamba ratio. It is the function of the controller to translate / interpret the voltage output from the sensor into the respective AFR readout.

That is, a person could not use a XYZ brand O2 sensor and have correct reading hooking it up to a Innovate LC-1 controller as an example. The LC-1 controller is programmed for the voltage output from the Bosch brand O2.

In the same way, one can not use the Honda O2 sensor output as an input to an aftermarket gauge or MS ecu. Because the aftermarket gauge and MS ecu is programmed to read a 0-5V signal (the industry standard) from a controller. I am "going out on a limb" and assuming that the MS does not have the ability to translate / interpret the voltage output from the Honda sensor into the proper AFR readout (acting as a controller). The MS would need to be specifically programmed for this and the MS would need to have this function as a specific option (which I doubt).


EDIT -

After looking at the MS manual, the MS might have the option to read the output from a Honda. See pic below from MS Manual. But knowing Honda, I would expect for different Honda models and different year models to have different O2 signal outputs. As such, I would think that trying to read every possible Honda O2 sensor from the MS directly is too much of a daunting task.

Inaccurate

Looking at your question from a different perspective, let me rephrase my answer.

You are correct. Software is used to convert the O2 sensor signal to a readable AFR. And, this is called a Controller.

This is my point. A controller is needed to go between the Honda sensor and the MS ecu. A person can Not connect the Honda sensor directly to the MS ecu.

FCVadi

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stupid question; any chance of ECU overheating due to placement? meaning not enough air to cool it?

i was thinking of having it in my armrest area so I can get to it easy for tuning but wasnt sure if lack of airflow would cause a problem

KN_TL

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There is no room under the center console at all. Unless you take something out like the cup holders, cut the box under the armrest or compartments.

There are no vent holes on the case so I would say no unless you put it in a extremely hot location.

KN_TL

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The wiring diagrams for the MS3 only show direct connection of narrowband sensors. The connection of a wideband is always through the controller. This screenshot seems to confirm that since it is showing different analog outputs from different manufacturers.

SharksBreath

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ok so it's either installing it on the passenger side with no harness and you can't really hide it that way...OR installing it under the drivers seat with the extended harness, correct?

i'd like this to be as hidden as possible so it looks like i'll need to grab the harness too.

what about installing it in the glove box? would i need a harness for that location or will it reach?

also...what's this talk about us 5AT guys getting better control/power of our tranny? is this something rodney can upload to the map or is it more involved than that?

KN_TL

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Either way it's hidden. In the passenger footwell it's under the rug. I cut out part of the foam so there isn't as much of a bump. Just keep a USB cable connected and available if you need to connect it to a PC.

I don't know if it will fit in the glove box.

The tranny control is part of the msq file so you'd just need to burn that to the ECU. I would think Rodney would just provide the parameters so there isn't an issue with mixing up the tunes.

Joey tl

Once money has been sent. Waiting period is about 1-2 weeks. Is this ture?

KN_TL

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One thing that should be mentioned is that there is probably some additional wiring from the MS3 to the piggyback harness.

SharksBreath

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^that thought crossed my mind.

hey, as long as good directions come with these...i'll be able to do everything no problem. copy and paste.

Joey tl

That's BS, it should of been mentioned there 15 pages of info and no one told us. which wiring are we talking about, I guess with good instructions we can do it but i sent my money and new things come up which i dont like. i was told its a plug n play. o well

SharksBreath

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i believe KN_TL is referring to us 5AT guys in regards to the tranny control.

you're 6MT...you have nothing to worry about.

Noober

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interesting.. so there's more information that we're unaware of?

KN_TL

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Damn dude, read before blowing a gasket.

Sharky is talking about launch control. 6MT is NOT part of this and even so, this isn't in the current scope of what's being delivered. A 5AT user has been working on better launch control for drag racing.

The MS3 has this capability and I was just making Sharky aware of this fact.

Sharky, take a look here --> http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/launch.html

Looks like it might just be wiring up some switches or pots to get into launch mode.

TmaX

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Its not available yet because as Rodney stated in this thread it is something he is just now starting to do the research and development on.
This group buy is what has given him the funds to start this new endeavour.

Just wait to see what the full functionality is.
He did mention he would provide a PnP solution so have faith and in the meantime enjoy the gains from the ECU.

Once again this is just for the 5AT folk.
6MT need not worry.

swoosh

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^^^

This product has been played with a lot on a base TL from which you see all the dyno's....

Rodney is right now just trying to get all the modules together and also see what this thing can do for the NA crowd.....

KN_TL

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Again, he's talking about the launch control.......I guess this should be discussed in a separate thread so people here don't misunderstand because they're not following all of the entries.

swoosh

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I take my post back Tmax....Thanks for the correction KN_TL....

swoosh

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ight just got home couple hours back after a long + hectic trip....thanks for the help KN_TL for answering many questions on here while i was in the plan stuck with no internet

anyway, went thro the thread and my PM's and updated the excel sheet....

lets get some more payment in fellas.....and also help me fill out the cells colored in yellow....

Noober

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payment should be sent swoosh, just pm'd rodney regarding my shipping address.
thanks for the help!

SharksBreath

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waiting on an e-check to clear in my paypal and then i'll be sending payment to rodney.

and just to confirm one last time, i don't need the extended harness if i'm installing in the passenger footwell, correct?

swoosh

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^^^ that sounds about right.....

if it doesnt fit and its past the GB time....i will ask Rodney to offer the GB price for you Aaron

Noober: I did make the update on the excel for your address

Hi speed

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What is going on with posting the fuel pump price?

swoosh

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^^^ Rodney told me he is working with another guy and he will get a price today....

Inaccurate

@ Swoosh

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Noober

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^ congrats swoosh, haha 100% activity