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Old 05-23-2018, 11:25 PM
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:58 AM
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So it wasn't fake news after all


Internal Documents Show Apple Knew the iPhone 6 Would Bend


Apple’s internal tests found that the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are significantly more likely to bend than the iPhone 5S, according to information made public in a recent court filing obtained by Motherboard. Publicly, Apple has never said that the phones have a bending problem, and maintains that position, despite these models commonly being plagued with “touch disease,” a flaw that causes the touchscreen to work intermittently that the repair community say is a result of bending associated with normal use.

The information is contained in internal Apple documents filed under seal in a class-action lawsuit that alleges Apple misled customers about touch disease. The documents remain under seal, but US District Court judge Lucy Koh made some of the information from them public in a recent opinion in the case.

The company found that the iPhone 6 is 3.3 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, and the iPhone 6 Plus is 7.2 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, according to the documents. Koh wrote that “one of the major concerns Apple identified prior to launching the iPhones was that they were ‘likely to bend more easily when compared to previous generations.’”





Despite these findings, Apple publicly maintained that there were no engineering issues with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus, but an internal review showed that engineering changes were necessary to prevent touch disease, according to court filings. In May 2016, a year-and-a-half after the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were released, Apple quietly began reinforcing the part of the logic board associated with touch disease, Koh wrote.

This is a different engineering change than one noticed by a YouTuber in August, 2015.

In a service notice published in November 2016, Apple said that touch disease happens only after iPhones are “dropped multiple times on a hard surface and then incurring [sic] further stress on the device,” which is the same argument it has made in defending against the lawsuit.

Bendgate

Soon after the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were released in September 2014, several customers said that their phones bent easily. Those cases went viral, which caused Apple to release a statement that said the phones were structurally sound: Apple “perform[s] rigorous tests throughout the entire development cycle including 3-point bending, pressure point cycling, sit, torsion, and user studies. iPhone 6 and 6 Plus meet or exceed all of our high quality standards to endure everyday, real life use.”

That news cycle died, and “Bendgate” went away for a while. But in early 2016, many iPhone 6 and 6 Plus devices began to exhibit symptoms of “touch disease.” The phones’ screens would have a flickering gray bar at the top, and the touchscreen would stop working entirely or would work intermittently. Independent repair experts found that this was caused because the “Touch IC” chip, which translates a user’s touch into digital signals, became partially unseated from the phone’s logic board. Many independent repair professionals who specialize in microsoldering told me that they believe the problem is caused by flexing or bending associated with normal use, such as taking the phone out of your pocket and putting it back in.

"It's absolutely a problem in the design. End users are not doing anything to cause this besides using the phone normally," Mark Shaffer of independent repair company iPad Rehab told me at the time. "Really all you can do is avoid any activity that would cause the phone to flex. Don't drop it, definitely don't put it in any case that requires you to apply force to the phone to get it into and out of the case. Don't put it in your back pocket, don't put it in your front pocket if it's a tight pocket. Actually, don't put it in any pocket."

The Lawsuit

The problem became widespread, and eventually a class action lawsuit was filed against Apple, which has been ongoing for more than a year. As a result of discovery in that case, Apple was required to turn over its internal testing documents and reports to the plaintiffs’ lawyers. Those documents remain under seal, but Koh made some information from them public in an opinion published this month.

Beyond noting that the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were significantly more likely to bend than their predecessor (Apple described the bending as “expected behavior”), Koh wrote that Apple made engineering changes to the phone a year-and-a-half after it was released in order to prevent touch disease.

“After internal investigation, Apple determined underfill was necessary to resolve the problems caused by the defect,” Koh wrote, referring to an epoxy used to stiffen the logic board. “Apple had used underfill on the preceding iPhone generation but did not start using it on the [touch disease-related] chip in the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus until May 2016,” after millions of iPhones had been sold.

Old 05-27-2018, 11:39 AM
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I'm still buying the next iPhone that comes out, no matter what.
Old 05-29-2018, 03:07 PM
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Ios 11.4 is out.

brings airplay 2 and messages in iCloud
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:40 PM
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About to announce iOS 12 next week but still releasing features you promised with the launch of iOS 11
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Old 05-30-2018, 11:16 AM
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Anyone else having the SMS notification issue on the iPhone?

Wife and MIL both having the issue where a SMS comes in and either there is no notification or the notification appears for a second on the lock screen and then disappears.

MIL went to Genius Bar yesterday and they reset her phone. Seems to have worked for now, but not sure it will last.
Old 05-30-2018, 11:52 AM
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I get something similar to that with my notifications.


i think for me it stems from either my old iPhone 6 Plus, 3rd gen iPad, iPad Pro or Mac Mini "stealing" the notifications over my current iPhone 7 Plus
Old 05-30-2018, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
and messages in iCloud
FINALLY...
Old 05-31-2018, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Anyone else having the SMS notification issue on the iPhone?

Wife and MIL both having the issue where a SMS comes in and either there is no notification or the notification appears for a second on the lock screen and then disappears.

MIL went to Genius Bar yesterday and they reset her phone. Seems to have worked for now, but not sure it will last.
iOS 11 bug. I was having that during the pre-release betas but once I got an Apple Watch I think it went away. I wonder if the iOS 12 Public Beta will be more stable than the latest version of iOS 11 at the time?
Old 05-31-2018, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Anyone else having the SMS notification issue on the iPhone?

Wife and MIL both having the issue where a SMS comes in and either there is no notification or the notification appears for a second on the lock screen and then disappears.

MIL went to Genius Bar yesterday and they reset her phone. Seems to have worked for now, but not sure it will last.
Try updating to iOS 11.4 and make sure the iCloud message feature is enabled, that might fix it
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Old 06-05-2018, 04:05 PM
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Apples is opening upthe autofill password API they released in iOS 11 so 3rd party password managers like 1password and LastPass can use it! So stoked for this!

The autofill for text sms codes is dope too!
Old 06-05-2018, 04:31 PM
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Not sure how I feel about the SMS autofill in regards to 2FA.

wouldnt that potentially be an security issue?

Ive always felt weird about having the codes texted to me since the text could be seen on all my Apple devices


#tinfoilhat
Old 06-05-2018, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I wonder if the iOS 12 Public Beta will be more stable than the latest version of iOS 11 at the time?

many people are seeing better performance on iOS 12 beta 1 than on the shipping versions of iOS 11.4.

Even Apple’s latest devices see noticeable improvements like more responsive scrolling, but the big wins are on older iPhones and iPads like iPhone 5s, iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s. I asked on Twitter what people’s first impressions were of using iOS 12 on older hardware and the results were unanimously positive, with several people echoing the sentiment that it actually makes their old devices usable again:
https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/05/ios-1...older-devices/
Old 06-05-2018, 07:02 PM
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So it's safe to install iOS 12 beta and it won't slow down the iPhone, cause apps to crash, and kill battery life like with iOS 11 beta?

Tempted to try iOS 12 beta, but fool me once,.....
Old 06-05-2018, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AZuser
So it's safe to install iOS 12 beta and it won't slow down the iPhone, cause apps to crash, and kill battery life like with iOS 11 beta?

Tempted to try iOS 12 beta, but fool me once,.....
Its pretty good for beta 1. They just pulled the Watch OS beta. I installed that too and it seems ok.
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^You pay $100 a year to just get the dev betas?
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Old 06-06-2018, 01:37 AM
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It's whiskers.... of course he does
Old 06-07-2018, 10:15 AM
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So it's safe to install iOS 12 beta and it won't slow down the iPhone....
The opposite. :-) I'm getting close to 11000 on Geekbench multicore!
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:07 PM
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It's whiskers.... of course he does
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I got my iphone 8 last December. Half a year later and the battery drain is very noticeable compared to when it was new. I have to recharge it a lot more often.

Any news on this? Let me guess... just me.
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Have you tried a full restore?

On the latest version of iOS?

Cant speak for the 8, but my 7 Plus which I got on the launch day didn't really get a bad battery until this year.
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what does the battery app say?
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Originally Posted by astro
what does the battery app say?
Battery Health (Beta)?

Says Max Capacity 100%. And Peak Performance Capability.

pff..
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IMO it's 11.4
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You might be right, 11.4 might have increased my battery usage too
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https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/13/iphon...ics-in-ios-12/
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Battery Health (Beta)?

Says Max Capacity 100%. And Peak Performance Capability.

pff..
I think that he might have intended to convey the idea that you should check to see what applications are running in the background and consuming energy that you don't necessarily need to be using.

Very helpful people will very often set Open Signal to contribute data in the background. If you are traveling an area worse than -100 dBm, this could cause Open Signal to use more power than you're aware.

A big and frequent offender is Facebook. Facebook tries to find a way to do things even if you've set background app refresh to no. Facebook is the only application that I will go out of the way to close when I am not using it. Now...don't go too far with this. If you're a frequent user of Facebook, you'll consume more energy starting it up all of the time. But if you're only going to use it once or twice and you're done until tomorrow, maybe think of physically closing that out.
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fb is a power sucker:

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Something I've wondered about is whether using Facebook via Safari (instead of the application) would be a better thing to do.
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I rarely use facebook. And if I'm not using an app I close it. I don't like to keep apps open in the background.
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Originally Posted by George Knighton
Something I've wondered about is whether using Facebook via Safari (instead of the application) would be a better thing to do.
I think I will try removing the app and use Safari only to see.
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First thing I tell people who say they have shitty battery life on a newer device is to delete Facebook.

You can set a shortcut to go to Facebook through Safari. That middle icon on the bottom which looks like a box with an arrow pointing up. Then choose add to home screen. I've been just fine without the app for years.

I still have messenger though, doesn't seem too bad. I wish people would stop using Facebook, but everyone gets stuck in their own ways.
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Originally Posted by Costco
First thing I tell people who say they have shitty battery life on a newer device is to delete Facebook.

You can set a shortcut to go to Facebook through Safari. That middle icon on the bottom which looks like a box with an arrow pointing up. Then choose add to home screen. I've been just fine without the app for years.

I still have messenger though, doesn't seem too bad. I wish people would stop using Facebook, but everyone gets stuck in their own ways.
I do the same thing on Android, and for the same reason, it kills battery.
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iOS 11.4 is destroying my battery. I'm at 33% already, usually I'd be at like 60-70% by now
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Haven't really noticed a change in battery life with 11.4, at least not like with 11.0
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Haven't updated yet. I should though, I'm just afraid of the phone crashing again after the update.
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Well, 11.4 is also destroying my battery.

I had the same problem last year but that was because my iPhone 6s was 2 years old. My iPhone 8 is 6 months old .. so this is fucking ridiculous.
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So the only option is to wait for another update to fix battery issue??
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iOS 12 public beta is out

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