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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:37 AM
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I think my wife may notice the size difference here. Yikes
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:43 AM
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I think my wife may notice the size difference here. Yikes



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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Also the 8th gen Intel processor has hardware mitigation for spectre and meltdown so they don't need a software patch that reduced performance in the 7th gen and older Intel processors. So that could narrow the performance gap as well.
https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/1216...wn-l1tf-fixes/

Tom's Hardware got confirmation from Intel regarding the in-silicon mitigations delivered in the 8th gen Core U-Series 15W mobile processors. It was following up a Tweet from industry analyst Ashraf Eassa, suggesting that Intel's new chips might support the new mitigations. Please note that the simultaneously launched Intel 8th gen Core Y-Series mobile 5W processors (Amber Lake) don't come with any such hardware fixes. Tom's Hardware compiled the following table to make clear what is patched in hardware/software with the new processors:
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
why would you choose the base mbp over the Air? The only benefit the mbp has is a higher CPU clock speed. You're probably not going to notice that in real world usage, in synthetic benchmarks there'll be a difference but, I'd rather have TouchID, longer battery life, a laptop that weighs a 1/4lb lb less, and $100 than CPU that is a few % faster
My current Air is 2.96 pounds (1.35 kg)

The new Air being 0.21 pounds (0.08 kg) lighter is negligible for me. Plus, I don't really car about TouchID or extra 2 hours of battery life. And if you get the base MBP as refurb, it's $1,099, so you'd save $100 over the new Air.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:53 AM
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Compared the 2 on the Apple website.

How does the Intel UHD Graphics 617 compare to the Iris Plus Graphics 640 on the MBP?

The MBA display has 300nit brightness vs 500 on the MBP.
MBA display has standard color vs Wide Color (P3) on the MBP.





also 1/4 lbs is only 4oz. That's like a deck of cards or $5 in quarters
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 11:59 AM
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I can't see it documented anywhere yet, but are both TB3 ports full speed ports on the MBA?

Or is it like the 2016 13" MBP where some are slow and some are full speed?
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Just ordered two Mac Minis. Base models, I'll upgrade the RAM.
the $799 model? I don't think I could get by with just 128gb.

256gb at the minimum. If I want to backup my iOS devices locally (in addition to iCloud) then I'd need minimum 512gb.

my current 2012 Mac mini has a 256gb SSD.

ive got about 60gb free, can't even backup my iPhone
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:09 PM
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the $799 model? I don't think I could get by with just 128gb.

256gb at the minimum. If I want to backup my iOS devices locally (in addition to iCloud) then I'd need minimum 512gb.

my current 2012 Mac mini has a 256gb SSD.

ive got about 60gb free, can't even backup my iPhone
The 128GB is an OS drive for me. Thanks to Thunderbolt 3 I can always access my external stack, an upgraded graphics experience etc

One of the Mac Minis is for my mom. It'll be overkill.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:26 PM
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Interesting, I didn't notice the difference between the U and Y series, the Air has a 7w TDP chip and the MBP has 15w TDP, you'll probably notice a difference under a heavy workload
Originally Posted by AZuser
My current Air is 2.96 pounds (1.35 kg)

The new Air being 0.21 pounds (0.08 kg) lighter is negligible for me. Plus, I don't really car about TouchID or extra 2 hours of battery life. And if you get the base MBP as refurb, it's $1,099, so you'd save $100 over the new Air.
To each his own

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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
The 128GB is an OS drive for me. Thanks to Thunderbolt 3 I can always access my external stack, an upgraded graphics experience etc

One of the Mac Minis is for my mom. It'll be overkill.
can you change where macOS saves iDevice backups? Thought those are stuck saving to the OS drive?


i may update my moms as well. She has a 2011 mini.
No USB3 so an external SSD would run slow.
can't seem to find an affordable TB1 SSD or enclosure.

Also no powernap feature so her pictures don't auto save from photo stream until she logs in. (Which isn't often)

Oooorrr upgrade mine and give her my 2012

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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
can you change where macOS saves iDevice backups? Thought those are stuck saving to the OS drive?
I'm not sure
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse


can you change where macOS saves iDevice backups? Thought those are stuck saving to the OS drive?
https://www.imore.com/how-move-your-...nal-hard-drive
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 01:02 PM
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Thanks stunna.



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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 03:58 PM
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Just ordered two Mac Minis. Base models, I'll upgrade the RAM.
User will be able to? Not locked out on this model?
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
User will be able to? Not locked out on this model?
That's correct.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
That new Mac mini

yes that the ram is upgradable. Soldered SSD is fine for me. I'd just connect an TB3 pcie expansion chassis if I need more space and boot off that.




Originally Posted by jupitersolo
User will be able to? Not locked out on this model?
i posted this earlier regarding the memory.

yes it's user upgradable.

also during the keynote the guy specifically mentioned SODIMM.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 05:17 PM
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Sweet! Thanks! But this thread moved 100 mph in last day.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 05:23 PM
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Are they really charging $200 to go from 128GB SSD to 256GB SSD or am I missing something?
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 05:25 PM
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Yep...
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 05:48 PM
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Apple keeping the old MacBook Air around (and still charging $999 for it ) for Black Friday or something? Too much inventory?
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 06:40 PM
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Apple keeping the old MacBook Air around (and still charging $999 for it ) for Black Friday or something? Too much inventory?
Yup. That's Apple. Charging full price for old technology.

Like the 2014 Mac Mini. Never adjusted the price despite the 4 year old hardware
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 06:48 PM
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Starting to get tired of paying the Apple tax.
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 08:13 PM
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Are they really charging $200 to go from 128GB SSD to 256GB SSD or am I missing something?
At Amazon I can get a 120GB SSD for $30 and I can get a 240GB for $40. But from Apple that'll be $200 please. Samsung 970 256GB EVO is ~$90
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by doopstr
Starting to get tired of paying the Apple tax.
Yeah but then you try a PC and it overall sucks.

Or, you get one of the upper level PCs like the Dell XPS line and you realize you're paying a hefty sum for a Windows machine that runs Windows.

I agree the Apple tax is bad, but OS X and the ecosystem are still a differentiator.
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Old Nov 1, 2018 | 09:41 AM
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Old Nov 1, 2018 | 10:57 AM
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I think most of these particular 'reviewers' don't have kids and don't have pets (and don't get laid)
I was super pissed when they got rid of mag safe. But meh, time has moved on, I havent had any issues and I find it pretty valuable to be able to choose which port I can charge from as my set up sometimes has me needing to switch from the left to right sides.
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Old Nov 1, 2018 | 10:58 AM
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There are a few decent magnet connected USB C cables.
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Old Nov 1, 2018 | 06:58 PM
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yup seen them at best buy, but don't they take up one of the ports? Otherwise it's a pain to unplug them
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Old Nov 1, 2018 | 08:21 PM
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I just leave one plugged in
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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 09:25 AM
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For my use, I'll pay the $100 for the MBP. Or get the refurb.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01...018-benchmark/


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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
Like the 2014 Mac Mini. Never adjusted the price despite the 4 year old hardware
The MAC Mini survived on its niche market which apparently consists almost exclusively of people filling rooms with racks of servers. :-)
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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 12:09 PM
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Looking at the bottom of the 2018 Mac Mini.

i wonder how the ram can be accessed. It looks like it's missing the thumb grooves to remove the bottom plate of the mini.


Older Mac mini.





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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 12:36 PM
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There are hidden screws that require their new Pentatorxlobe screwdriver to remove. Sold exclusively through Apple for $39.99
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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 12:50 PM
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There are hidden screws that require their new Peñortatorxlobe screwdriver to remove. Sold exclusively through Apple for $39.99

FIFY
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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 02:31 PM
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3.2ghz Mac Mini is comparable to the 2.9ghz MacBook Pro.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/02...mark-surfaces/



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Old Nov 2, 2018 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse




3.2ghz Mac Mini is comparable to the 2.9ghz MacBook Pro.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/02...mark-surfaces/



Well, this is making it even more painful that I might end up with 2017 hardware in a non-Pro iMac.....

Still hoping for something in the next 3 weeks
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Old Nov 6, 2018 | 11:10 AM
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Saw this on the Mac Mini review by macworld.

hopefully when ifixit does their tear down we can see how the RAM is accessed.

The $799 Mac mini comes standard with 8GB of 2666MHz DDR4 memory, installed as a pair of 4GB SO-DIMMs. The mini supports a maximum of 64GB, and you can upgrade the memory later, but Apple doesn’t consider the Mac mini to be user-configurable, and it recommends that memory upgrades be performed by a certified Apple service provider.
https://www.macworld.com/article/331...tml#tk.rss_all


i was kind of thinking it might not be as easily accessed as my 2012 because based off the pictures of the 2018, part of the RAM is recessed inside the case.





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Old Nov 6, 2018 | 11:12 AM
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I may receive mine today, most likely tomorrow. But realistically I won't have a chance to play around with it until next week. I'll be in Mexico.
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Old Nov 6, 2018 | 11:14 AM
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Also didn't realize they are using 65w DESKTOP CPUs not Laptop CPUs like in the past.
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