CocheseUGA

Ron Rivera to be the next Carolina coach, per unnamed sources.

Rockstar21

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So a guy gets eliminated from superbowl contention and this is grounds to say he's a bust or overrated?

Peyton manning comes to mind with this theory.

I'm gonna go with a big NO.

His abilities got them TO the playoffs. Not kicked out for lackthereof

Dr. Colorado

F-ck I wish Vick was in a Cowboys uniform instead of Homo. Vick's Pro Bowl season of redemption is the story of the year. He was one play away from a #2 seed in the NFC and like he said, at least he went out firing. Instead of spiking the ball, he figured 4 plays>3 and took a shot downfield. Sure, he could have gone to a different receiver or dumped off to the back but that's Vick. If his pass was 2 feet longer to Cooper, everyone and his brother would be shouting MVP for Vick.

Remember that Celek erred in stepping out of bonds before making the catch and the PK bricked on 2 field goals that would have sealed the Eagles' win.

Vick is the real deal no doubt. I was a huge fan of his when he led the Falcons to the NFC championship and despite being an ardent Cowboys fan, I'm still a fan of Vick to this day. His comeback against the Giants is legend.

Yumcha

Let's be clear...I don't think Vick is a terrible QB. I just don't feel he's as great as people say he is. And no, he's not a bust. Just not a top tier QB...

And there is no way you can compare Manning to this guy. Manning has repeatedly made throws and plays happen all on his own...Without him, there would not even be a Superbowl title in Indy...

If the Eagles win a championship, it is not because of Vick.

CocheseUGA

If Brent Celek had the line recognition of Ron Washington, it would have been a three point game.

Yumcha

...and maybe it's just that each time I've seen Vick, he's played my Bears and well, he's not all that great. A fast defense usually will negate him. Heck, he's winless in 3 (or is it 4) tries against Chicago.


A fast defense against Manning? You still gotta pray...Big difference.

F23A4

....Indeed, you guys have been given enough reason to believe in Bill.

NJ SHAWD

I've been an NYJ fan for over 30 years and they have never ceased to surprise me, both good and bad. I think this is their best shot at greatness in all of the years I've watched.

Go JETS.

Rockstar21

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Vick is no longer one dimensional.

Throughout most of the season his passer rating (that's right, not rushing) was the best in the league.

He is extremely talented on two sides of the ball but more so with throwing than ever.

It was his first year leading a team since he's come back. I think we have yet to see his best and what he's capable of.

And I wouldn't roll vicks games with Atlanta vs. The bears with recents. He's on a different level. I only see him getting better.

civicdrivr

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I think I see what you did there.

F23A4

I've been a Jet fan for almost 30 years myself and I agree with your post 100%!! For those who don't know the Jets well, this is one of the best times in Jet history in which to be a fan of the franchise.

And just for the record to the Jet haters: One can say what they wish about Rex and Sanchez (free country) but they've both help to position the Jets to make a legitimate run for the Lombardi trophy in their first two years, with the '1 and out' commenters having to eat their hats twice now....on that alone I'll gloat a bit. For those who think Rex isn't fit to be head coach of an NFL team: Yeah you're right! Let's dump Rex right now rehire Mangini, Coslet or better yet Kotite.....seems like non-Jet fans had no problem with Kotite and the Jets when they went 4-28 over a two year span.

Face it: For the second year in a row, the Jets are good enough to get into the playoffs and advance. Doesn't really matter how they win, particularly as there are no style points. (For those who want style points, become a figure skating fan....crap's right up your alley.)

Will Jets beat the Pats? I don't know! CAN they beat the Pats? Hell yes!! Though I'm actually more concerned about facing the Ravens, the Pat's O is as difficult to contain as the Raven's D is to penetrate. But if we get Shonn and LT going, TB won't be on the field too often and that's the BEST way to contain the Pat's O.

....ok, enough of that: GO JETS!!

SharksBreath

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ravens and steelers on saturday...classic rivalry.

final score?

ravens 20
steelers 14

05TLdcc

fixed.

SharksBreath

iTrader: (33)

^you son of a bitch

elessar

Vick definitely gives the Eagles their best shot at winning because of his upside. He's really just McNabb on steroids right now, so it makes sense that he was able to step into the existing system and do so much better than Kolb. Yes he does still have weaknesses... like Yum said, speed on D (with lots of blitzes coming at him) definitely throws him off a bit, but there's no reason to think he won't work on that in the offseason and continue to evolve the way he already has done. The other problem is, his running style makes him more injury prone, and he was definitely banged up in the last couple of games they played this season; I think that really factored into some of those poor decisions. The only thing I will fully blame him for, though, is NOT spiking the ball. With the amount of time left in the game, better to take a little time to think over what you're gonna do than to have one extra down, which you'll never get to use anyway if you get picked off.

BUT... having said that, I'd still rather have a QB who's decisive like that under pressure, than one who dry-heaves in the huddle.

and it would also have helped because Vick took a big hit when they re-tried the conversion, which may have shaken him up for the final drive. So Celek gets some blame, but then again, a 3-point game only matters if you trust your kicker. Akers definitely needs to go.

05TLdcc

lol look, that game is going to be awesome, but going INTO pittsburgh and playing a healthy defense? with polamalu? no way.

plus, where has Ed Reed been the last couple of weeks?

SharksBreath

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it will be a fantastic game, as always.

all i say is that stranger things have happened

anything could happen.

ed reed has been around, multiple interceptions in the last couple games. plus his brother just died, i think he wants this ring more than ever.

all bs aside, should be a great defensive game.

Doom878

I don't thnk you cut Akers. He did lead the league in scoring. He's pretty damn good.

elessar

^ Akers led the league in scoring due to opportunity. You can pretty much plug in a rookie K next year and get the same production. If he can't make a 41-yarder and a 33-yarder in a clutch situation like that, what's the point of all the experience? Besides, I remember that his leg didn't look too strong last season (2009) either.

05TLdcc

You're right, anything could happen. and i can't wait for this game. i get to go

It will be a damn good game.

Doom878

True but of the guys with that many opportunities he was up there percentage wise. You can't be too triggerhappy 2 days after a being eliminated. The bottom line is all they can do is bring in another kicker to compete in camp that will probably lose to him. And in 2009 he was great too. It's like the Peyton Manning argument. Not so great in the postseason but who do you turn to?

2010

1 Sebastian Janikowski, PK OAK 33 41 80.5
2 Dan Carpenter, PK MIA 30 41 73.2
3 Josh Brown, PK STL 33 39 84.6
4 Nick Folk, PK NYJ 30 39 76.9
5 David Akers, PK PHI 32 38 84.2
6 Graham Gano, PK WSH 24 35 68.6
7 Jeff Reed, PK PIT/SF 24 32 75.0

2009

1 David Akers, PK PHI 32 37 86.5
2 Jay Feely, PK NYJ 30 36 83.3
3 Mason Crosby, PK GB 27 36 75.0
4 Nate Kaeding, PK SD 32 35 91.4
5 Matt Prater, PK DEN 30 35 85.7
6 Rian Lindell, PK BUF 28 33 84.8
7 Kris Brown, PK HOU 21 32 65.6

Yumcha

So, where are the Seahawk fans...?

05TLdcc

i want them to beat the bears

Yumcha

I hope you get a beating.

05TLdcc

bring it stick boy

Yumcha

You know what happened to Bryana and Biscotti...? You really want to go there...? :shakehead

05TLdcc

one failed at accounting and the other rams animals?

Yumcha

Yeah! Is that what you want!??

Mr. Maker

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Go seahawks!

Yumcha

Well, that goes without saying.

05TLdcc

i hate aston martins, can i have an aston?

elessar

Er... it's just a bit different than the Peyton Manning argument. Pretty sure you could plug in at least 75% of the kickers in the NFL this year into their lineup and the Eagles still would have gotten exactly as far as they did; if not farther because half of those guys probably would not have missed those 2 relatively short kicks. Can't really say that about Manning and the Colts.

In any case, the dude didn't come through when it mattered most, and it's not like we're talking about 50-yarders here. Not even 45-yarders. Hell, one wasn't even a 35-yarder. I dunno, maybe I play too much fantasy football and that's made me think of kickers as almost completely disposable, but if your kicker becomes a major liability in an elimination game, I say his ass should be grass.

Doom878

Didn't you see my stats in his accuracy? This guy with all those attempts still hit on most of them compared to the other kickers. But then you say they can plug in "75%" of the kickers but stick with this guy then what's that tell you? They don't go with those other guys because Akers' stats are superior to theirs. What are you going to do, keep him in the regular season and get another kicker in the playoffs after Akers produces one of the best seasons for all kickers

Akers is one of the best kickers in our era just like Manning is one of the best QB's. How do you not see the similarity? Both Akers and Manning are legends at their position. Dominate in the regular season and then had playoff mishaps. Akers has a bad day yet a superior season and he's a bum that should be cut? Yeah a QB is more important in the overall scheme but it's the same personnel logic in keeping him. Don't let those idiot Eagles fans rot your brain up there.

DaChef320

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heard on the radio this morning Cromartie is talking so much shit about Brady being a asshole and told him to go F'd himself hahahahaha Jets gonna get their ass handed to by Brady. J-E-T-S Sucks sucks sucks!

CocheseUGA

I think he said 'Fuck Tom Brady.'

All I can say is, I hope Tom is on the pill.

DaChef320

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he also said Brady is a fuking ahole

CocheseUGA

Tom should get one of those ass pillows too.

elessar

When the Patriots lost Stephen Gostkowski to injury mid-season, they plugged in Bengals' cast-off Shayne Graham at kicker. Did they miss a beat? Hell no. Did I immediately grab Graham in my fantasy league? Hell yes. Did he instantly become one of the most productive kickers in the league? You trying to tell me you couldn't come up with at least 23 other kickers in this league who could've produced like Akers if thrown onto a team with Vick, Jackson, Maclin & McCoy? C'mon now. They've still got him because Andy Reid has always been a "loyalty" guy, which is fine, as long as it's warranted. Akers' leg strength has been declining for a couple of years now but his experience has made up for it. His percentage has stayed high because they haven't been letting him try anything too long. But if 35 yards is now too long... sayonara.

Now, take Manning's situation. How many other QBs in the NFL could've taken the injury-riddled and Superbowl-hungover Colts and won a division title with them? Brady and Brees... Rodgers & Vick, maybe. Rivers? Probably not, considering how the Chargers' season went. I can't even believe we're having this conversation. Kickers are disposable, dammit! And if not disposable, then at the very least they should be able to do the ONE THING that they get paid the big bucks to do (ok 2, if you count kickoffs) consistently in the clutch. If not, time for a new one.

Doom878

^No man kickers are very important to argue about!!!!!

I agree with replacing him if his kickoffs suck. But your point was to release him for missed FG's. I was clarifying that his FG's don't usually suck. Being that he has been tops in FG's is why my QB example is valid because he's one of the best at his job at kicking FG's. I did point out that QB's are more important thus their demand being higher and harder to replace as you pointed out. And Graham was a street free agent for a reason. Compare the 2 kickers' careers. If you had said that Akers needs to go because of his short kickoffs and those numbers jive, then yeah they'd probably need to upgrade. Plus you can't play the loyalty thing because Reid did get rid of McNabb and Kolb was still a huge question mark and that's QB.

elessar

Exactly! Graham was a street free agent and guess what? He's done great for the Pats and they'v been just fine with him as their starting kicker. Yes, that's because the rest of the offense is so potent... and that's exactly my point about Akers! Put him on a team with a weak O, where he's forced to try a lot of long FGs and see how long he lasts.

Honestly, I don't know how his kickoff production has been lately... I'm assuming it hasn't been a problem since, otherwise, the local media would've crucified him over it by now. In the regular season my attention has still been focused on the Fins... there's only so much time for the other side of a split-screen football game.

Well, maybe he really knew what he had in Vick all along, so he wasn't afraid to lose the Chunky-Soup-chucker. Or maybe he just got really lucky.